The IRS may be right in this case, or it may be wrong.

But the cool thing about being the IRS is that even when you're wrong, you're right.


/Let this be a lesson to all
//Don't fark with the IRS, citizen
///Gulags

Which is more likely: He's destitute? Or he's affluent?

Eddie Adams from Torrance: I don't see what the big deal is.

All he needs to do is to show his Heaven passport and tax returns.

Then deport him because he doesn't have a valid visa.

Everyone's trying to get to the bar and everyone's EXACTLY the same. But, when this kiss is over it will, well, you'll see.

GoodyearPimp: Which is more likely: He's destitute? Or he's affluent?


If he isn't destitute, he will be.

Article sounds like an episode from the old 'Night Court' TV show.

So is he here legally or not? If not, send him back.

Payback Caesar's things to Caesar moran

"Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's."

Not sure if that applies if you no longer live on planet Earth, though.

detroitdoesntsuckthatbad: Payback Caesar's things to Caesar moran

orclover: Render unto Caesar?

Loadmaster: "Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar's."



Render or be rended, motherfarkers!

-- Caesar

Well, why is he down here instead of in Heaven? Got thrown out?

Russell P. Gentile also faces one count of obstruction of an IRS agent after a grand jury indicted him

Oh goy, is he in touble now.

Rufus Lee King: Well, why is he down here instead of in Heaven? Got thrown out?

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Well, his last name IS "Gentile".

This is typical and boring, to be frank. The federal property argument is so crusty that you can be fined $25,000 just for bringing it up. That said, CI is always very careful with these cases, since even the tiniest technical imperfection will, while not setting a precedent, invite dozens to hundreds of follow-on claims from people who believe they've finally found the magic phrasing that will exempt them from the law.

Obligatory link to the IRS's debunkings of the usual frivolous tax arguments, complete with citations of cases where said argument failed to cut any ice with the judge.

RexTalionis: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I don't see what the big deal is.

All he needs to do is to show his Heaven passport and tax returns.

Better, more trolltastic way of dealing with it: Accept his assertion and declare him legally deceased.

We fixed the glitch?

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RexTalionis: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I don't see what the big deal is.

All he needs to do is to show his Heaven passport and tax returns.

Better, more trolltastic way of dealing with it: Accept his assertion and declare him legally deceased.

Yup. Massive, massive pain in the ass (I've heard stores, probably some on fark, of people this has happened to accidentally). He'd come crying back, and that's when they should make him show every form of documentation known to man, take DNA tests, and whatever else, to make sure he's not a terrorist operating under an assumed name.

Yeah! Farkin people trying to get out of paying the IRS. It pisses me off. I hope the IRS really gives it to him!
The IRS is awesome.

Unimpressed

/Hot like the survivor scrolls

Gotta wonder what goes through these people's heads that makes them think the Federal government is going to slap its forehead and go "You know, you're right! That amendment WAS improperly ratified. We DON'T actually have the right to collect taxes. Everyone go home, we're shutting the Federal government down. The California Navy can protect you all from pirates from here on out."

Guys like this are heroes. Because they keep at least a little of the IRS staff too busy to thoroughly investigate the rest of us. If you're like me, you do your best to (grudgingly) follow the rules, but the shiat's so absurd I'm positive you could make an argument that I haven't at least once.

Perhaps it's because I rely on TurboTax and vodak while I work out the goddamn forms. I may try cutting back on the TT this year.

OccamsWhiskers: Guys like this are heroes. Because they keep at least a little of the IRS staff too busy to thoroughly investigate the rest of us. If you're like me, you do your best to (grudgingly) follow the rules, but the shiat's so absurd I'm positive you could make an argument that I haven't at least once.

Perhaps it's because I rely on TurboTax and vodak while I work out the goddamn forms. I may try cutting back on the TT this year.

When I started a too-small-to-fail consultancy as a partnership, the Byzantine rules confused me. So I just called up the IRS and asked about the particular bits that confused me (basis loss limitations). They cleared it right up.

Florida guy pretending to live in Texas. Texans do pay federal tax but no state income tax.

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RexTalionis: Eddie Adams from Torrance: I don't see what the big deal is.

All he needs to do is to show his Heaven passport and tax returns.

Better, more trolltastic way of dealing with it: Accept his assertion and declare him legally deceased.

Yup. Massive, massive pain in the ass (I've heard stores, probably some on fark, of people this has happened to accidentally). He'd come crying back, and that's when they should make him show every form of documentation known to man, take DNA tests, and whatever else, to make sure he's not a terrorist operating under an assumed name.

Yeah! Farkin people trying to get out of paying the IRS. It pisses me off. I hope the IRS really gives it to him!
The IRS is awesome.

Not nearly as awesome as people who think in false dichotomies though.

BitwiseShift: Florida guy pretending to live in Texas. Texans do pay federal tax but no state income tax.

Florida has no state income tax either, chief.

A 40-year-old Melbourne man

Why does he have to pay US taxes if he lives in Austria?

Even if he is a resident of Heaven, that is still a spiritual manifestation (physical manifestation pending), so his income has to also be spiritual. Any physical income must be dealt with according to the laws of the land. I'd like to know how he's managed to survival all these ten years on heavenly treasures. If I could go around getting my food and housing paid for entirely on spiritual merit, I'd quit my job and become a monk or a preacher.

Amos Quito: The IRS may be right in this case, or it may be wrong.

But the cool thing about being the IRS is that even when you're wrong, you're right.


/Let this be a lesson to all
//Don't fark with the IRS, citizen
///Gulags

Bullshiat. The IRS is one of the better government agencies around when it comes to (a)getting things right the first time, and (b)fixing mistakes when they happen.

Hell, most of the time when you make a mistake and OVERPAY your taxes, the IRS will fix your return for you and give you a refund.

Blame Congress for making the tax code too complex. Most IRS employees would agree with you.

jagec: Amos Quito: The IRS may be right in this case, or it may be wrong.

But the cool thing about being the IRS is that even when you're wrong, you're right.


/Let this be a lesson to all
//Don't fark with the IRS, citizen
///Gulags

Bullshiat. The IRS is one of the better government agencies around when it comes to (a)getting things right the first time, and (b)fixing mistakes when they happen.

Hell, most of the time when you make a mistake and OVERPAY your taxes, the IRS will fix your return for you and give you a refund.

Blame Congress for making the tax code too complex. Most IRS employees would agree with you.


Thank you!

I now have you Farkied as "Probable IRS Agent", and will never, ever EVER say anything unkind about you. :-)

/EVAR!

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Eddie Adams from Torrance: jagec: Bullshiat. The IRS is one of the better government agencies around when it comes to (a)getting things right the first time, and (b)fixing mistakes when they happen.

Or not. I made an error on my return several years ago that caused the IRS to believe that I owed them $400,000. I hired a tax attorney who deals extensively with the local IRS office and it still took him 4 years to straighten it out. In the meantime, they just kept adding penalties. Just before it was corrected, they'd sent me a bill for almost $800K and a letter that they were going to start garnishing about 80% of my wages.

Don't get me wrong, considering that they process tens of millions of returns every year, they do a pretty good job, but when errors occur, it can be a farking nightmare getting them corrected.

/CSB

The actual figure is over 200 million, with about between 140 million individual returns (income) and 110+ million business returns (all types combined)

Without reference to any specific case, most of the 'nightmares' experienced by businesses are due to simple failures, usually failure to open any notice that doesn't come certified, or failure to read the instructions for the form.

Protips:
If a 941-X is rejected because the figures in column b don't match the current state of the account, sending a copy of it to the taxpayer advocate will not suddenly make it valid. On the other hand, TAS is a perfect solution to a long-running CAWR problem.

Returns are only considered received as of the postmark date if that postmark is timely.

Rev Proc 84-35 does not apply to S Corporations, and will never apply to S Corporations. Get over it.

Reasonable cause doe not apply to the ES penalty. The standard is 'equity and good conscience' for 1040 and 1041, and 'No' for 1120 and variants.

Gaseous Anomaly: Obligatory link to the IRS's debunkings of the usual frivolous tax arguments, complete with citations of cases where said argument failed to cut any ice with the judge.

Obligatory link to a similar page by a private attorney: Link

If you don't want to pay U.S. taxes anymore do it the right way. Join the military and get %100 disabled, among other perks,,,no taxes. Ahhh, too much trouble for ya, then quit biatchen and keep payin taxes, or quit your job.

Forced Perspective: Gaseous Anomaly: Obligatory link to the IRS's debunkings of the usual frivolous tax arguments, complete with citations of cases where said argument failed to cut any ice with the judge.

Obligatory link to a similar page by a private attorney: Link

Wow, those are some pretty comprehensive smackdowns.

I agree with you: If you don't want to pay U.S. taxes anymore do it the right way. Join the military and get %100 disabled, among other perks,,,no taxes. Ahhh, too much trouble for ya, then quit biatchen and keep payin taxes, or quit your job.

I read once (probably on Fark) about a hardcore Iraq War protestor who legally stopped paying Federal income taxes... he quit his job and kept his income low enough to not have any tax liability. It works.

Gaseous Anomaly: Forced Perspective: Gaseous Anomaly: Obligatory link to the IRS's debunkings of the usual frivolous tax arguments, complete with citations of cases where said argument failed to cut any ice with the judge.

Obligatory link to a similar page by a private attorney: Link

Wow, those are some pretty comprehensive smackdowns.


Is the income tax constitutional? Are we obligated by law to pay income taxes?

The simple answer is that IT DOESN'T MATTER.

As long as judges are siding with the IRS - prohibiting the presentation of evidence in court, giving juries "special" instructions, etc - YOU'RE FARKED.

You might as well tell some mugger with a gun in your face that what he is doing is wrong and illegal.

In either case, the wise move is to just hand over your wallet, and pray that he lets you walk.

/Reality