a) "Soros" DRINK!

b) "leftist groups and the Democratic Party" Is the Democratic party not a leftist group by this dude's standard?

tnpir: (Reads TFA)

Um...am I supposed to be happy or outraged?


outraged. not because a couple guys are getting rich, but because the project is delayed. building the pipeline creates some work in the states it would go through, it would also continue to give revenue to those states once hydrocarbons start flowing. it also will help relieve the strain put on the system as it stand right now trying to get oil/gas out of the north. i'm all for protecting the environment and doing the project safely, but it needs to be done.

Canuckian news reported this morning that we don't need no g'damn presidential approval to lay pipe in Oklahoma & Texas.
Hosers be hosing y'all!

So they will be transporting the lightest most flavorless crude to prevent bitter pipeline face?

An-Unnecessarily-Long-Name: Good news is that now that someone powerful and connected to the Dems will profit greatly, means that something might actually get done.

Uh... did you read anything related to this article? The Parrot-head benefits if the pipeline isn't built.

JRoo: Warren Buffet buys a railroad.

The rest of the country uses food stamps to buy milk.

Maybe you'd be off food stamps if you weren't goofing off on the internet in the middle of a workday.

Moopy Mac: Any truth to the reports that the pipeline would increase gas prices in the Midwest because that gas was headed to offshore markets?

It sure as hell wouldn't lower them.

Gas prices are going to continue to increase, until one of two things happen.

1) We decide we want another global economic recession that decimates demand like it did for December 2008. Even with this one gas will begin to increase as demand rises again.

2) We use and/or develop some form of cheaper alternative to using gasoline that decimates demand for gas. This will happen eventually, because there is a price point where using gas to power a car is less than what it costs to use an alternative.

JRoo: James!: JRoo: Warren Buffet buys a railroad.

The rest of the country uses food stamps to buy milk.

Maybe you'd be off food stamps if you weren't goofing off on the internet in the middle of a workday.

I work Sunday-Thursday and at night. Today is my Saturday.
So there. :P

So you have a whole day free and you're still mooching off food stamps? Sounds like you have time for a second job.

jjorsett: Moopy Mac: rhino33: tnpir: (Reads TFA)

Um...am I supposed to be happy or outraged?


outraged. not because a couple guys are getting rich, but because the project is delayed. building the pipeline creates some work in the states it would go through, it would also continue to give revenue to those states once hydrocarbons start flowing. it also will help relieve the strain put on the system as it stand right now trying to get oil/gas out of the north. i'm all for protecting the environment and doing the project safely, but it needs to be done.

Any truth to the reports that the pipeline would increase gas prices in the Midwest because that gas was headed to offshore markets?

How would that work exactly? Piping new gas production to an overseas market results in Oklahoma getting less?

Probably because it would require vast amounts of fuel and resources here to acquire, transport, and refine before sending it out. There's a reason why they want this shiat refined in Texas -- so they can ship the gasoline to some other country. farkers.

jvl: James!: a) "Soros" DRINK!

Is it okay if I also drink when the name "Koch" is used? Or do I have to specific about the boogeyman?

You're an adult. Drink whenever you want.

Nebraskan politics > your politics.

Gaseous Anomaly: meat0918: Moopy Mac: Any truth to the reports that the pipeline would increase gas prices in the Midwest because that gas was headed to offshore markets?

It sure as hell wouldn't lower them.

Gas prices are going to continue to increase, until one of two things happen.

1) We decide we want another global economic recession that decimates demand like it did for December 2008. Even with this one gas will begin to increase as demand rises again.

2) We use and/or develop some form of cheaper alternative to using gasoline that decimates demand for gas. This will happen eventually, because there is a price point where using gas to power a car is less than what it costs to use an alternative.

If you approximate supply as fixed or inelastic, literally anything that improves the economy will increase the price of gas.

Well, literally anything that improves the world economy will increase the price of gas, unless somehow improving an economy is decoupled from using gas and diesel to get goods, workers, and customers to and from production centers and markets

jvl: James!: jvl: James!: a) "Soros" DRINK!

Is it okay if I also drink when the name "Koch" is used? Or do I have to specific about the boogeyman?

You're an adult. Drink whenever you want.

My Boss disagrees.

This is America. Tell that dude to go fark himself.

cgraves67: Anyone have any idea what percentage of capacity oil refineries are currently working at?

Less than 100%.

Har har. :p

It actually doesn't matter all that much. As demand increases, fuel companies simply ramp the price on what gas is available. They make an increased profit without increased costs associated with increased production. When the price hits the point where other sources become viable, they use their pull with Congress to squash the competition.

More refineries could be built, but that would involve spending money. It's easier and more profitable to simply keep things the way they are and continue the choke-hold on the national energy supply.

/Yes, I *really* like "increased"

Moopy Mac: Any truth to the reports that the pipeline would increase gas prices in the Midwest because that gas was headed to offshore markets?

WLS was reporting that there was a projection of $5 gas in chicagoland this summer due to lack of transportation. Of course, this pipeline would not be finished in time to help that.....

Locally the local power monopoly had to build a new plant. The plan was for natural gas. Since the eco-freaks did not want a pipeline to supply the plant and had lawsuits to that effect all over the place, it was built to use the worst polluting coal from the wyoming basin brought in by huge trains. The same idiots floated a question on converting the plant ($billions$) to NG after the fact.