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(Media Matters) Unlikely The Keystone pipeline would create 8 billion new high-paying, permanent jobs -- or 100, if you believe the company building it   (mediamatters.org) divider line 28
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pkellmey
2012-01-20 09:23:45 AM
8 Billion? Subby might need a math class or two.
 
nekom [TotalFark]
2012-01-20 09:33:01 AM
Do we really need that much off-brand Coors light pumped into the country anyway?
 
gummyworm
2012-01-20 09:45:30 AM
www.adweek.com
 
ha-ha-guy
2012-01-20 09:46:23 AM
Transcanada has a pretty poor record in terms of cutting corners on construction (and hiring those who do). So basically it would create some jobs for the folks that hang out in front of Home Depot.

On the other hand, after it cracks and dumps oil everywhere...the massive project to clean it all up with create a lot of jobs.
 
RobotSpider [TotalFark]
2012-01-20 10:08:20 AM
pkellmey: 8 Billion? Subby might need a math class or two.

He did. The same one the Faux News people took.

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Besides that, it would be Canadian money anyway (pictured here).
www.educatall.com
 
Kit Carson
2012-01-20 10:13:28 AM
Funny. The Dems telling the Dems that they don't need those jobs, anyway. Vote Dem.
 
Headso
2012-01-20 10:34:52 AM
RobotSpider: Besides that, it would be Canadian money anyway (pictured here).

that's preposterous, that is not Canadian money you can tell because they denominate it in increments of potato.
 
fifthhorseman
2012-01-20 10:41:53 AM
Keystone is a boondoggle that will only help the oil companies get richer while causing a rate hike for consumers. Of course Congre$$ supports it.
 
Outrageous Muff
2012-01-20 10:59:59 AM
I love that Canada thinks they are going to sell the world's most expensive oil to China cheaper than Iran and Russia sells it to them.
 
indarwinsshadow
2012-01-20 11:07:22 AM
Outrageous Muff: I love that Canada thinks they are going to sell the world's most expensive oil to China cheaper than Iran and Russia sells it to them.

Yes, but at least they have the cash to buy it. We don't accept coupons, food stamps, or that toilet paper peso you call a dollar. Sorry. No money. No oil.
 
bigmf
2012-01-20 11:12:44 AM
"And that's why if I am president, I will put the full resources of the federal government and the full energy of the private sector behind a single, overarching goal -- in ten years, we will eliminate the need for oil from the entire Middle East and Venezuela." - 8/6/08, Elkhart, Ind.
libertymaven.com
 
KarlMaldensNose
2012-01-20 11:22:43 AM
ha-ha-guy: Transcanada has a pretty poor record in terms of cutting corners on construction (and hiring those who do). So basically it would create some jobs for the folks that hang out in front of Home Depot.

On the other hand, after it cracks and dumps oil everywhere...the massive project to clean it all up with create a lot of jobs.

Maybe that is what Enbridge was thinking. Link (new window)
 
sprawl15
2012-01-20 11:25:38 AM
WHY WON'T OBAMA HELP US BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT BY APPROVING A PIPELINE TO PUMP CANADIAN OIL TO SAUDI REFINERIES TO BE SOLD TO CHINA????
 
fifthhorseman
2012-01-20 11:27:58 AM
sprawl15: WHY WON'T OBAMA HELP US BECOME ENERGY INDEPENDENT BY APPROVING A PIPELINE TO PUMP CANADIAN OIL TO SAUDI REFINERIES TO BE SOLD TO CHINA????

I know, right? Fark Keystone right in its ear.
 
Kit Carson
2012-01-20 11:31:37 AM
Look at the patriot in ALLCAPS.
 
Katolu
2012-01-20 12:03:48 PM
I'm beginning to suspect not everyone on Fark fully comprehends any of the articles they read.

/Sometimes I don't think they read the articles before posting, either.
//Seems to be some political bias to their comments as well.
 
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
2012-01-20 12:19:02 PM
I believe the Republicans. I mean, they've been on top of this whole "job creation" thing since they took over last January, right?
 
s2s2s2
2012-01-20 01:11:55 PM
I'm sure it will need more than 100 cleanup-crew members.
 
Rockdrummer
2012-01-20 02:18:56 PM
Media Matters? Didn't bother to read the Obama party rag, thanks.
 
DSanchez
2012-01-20 02:25:18 PM
Outrageous Muff: I love that Canada thinks they are going to sell the world's most expensive oil to China cheaper than Iran and Russia sells it to them.

Yes, because a $100 barrel of oil from Canada is so much more expensive than $100 barrel of oil from Russia or Iran?
 
WestHamHooligan
2012-01-20 03:05:30 PM
Obama doing great things for the country... uh, China
 
sprawl15
2012-01-20 03:38:05 PM
DSanchez: Outrageous Muff: I love that Canada thinks they are going to sell the world's most expensive oil to China cheaper than Iran and Russia sells it to them.

Yes, because a $100 barrel of oil from Canada is so much more expensive than $100 barrel of oil from Russia or Iran?

Well, there's another person for the "no farking idea what they're talking about" file.
 
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf
2012-01-20 11:12:35 PM
Media Matters. "A Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." Nothing wrong with that. I've no problem with that at all. But it still bothers me that they only dedicate themselves to exposing conservative misinformation. It's as if they want to only make conservatives look bad and not liberals. A balanced outlet would be dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative and liberal misinformation in the U.S. media.
 
rev. dave
2012-01-21 12:46:06 AM
Well the metric system is hard. So a few hundred jobs as said by the Canadian, would translate into err.... multiply by 2.2, then err... divide by 36, then multiply by 28, then multiply by 1.574. Then multiply by the number of years (25) and convert to person hours = 500,000 jobs. See that was simple.
 
dumbobruni
2012-01-21 04:20:17 AM
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Media Matters. "A Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." Nothing wrong with that. I've no problem with that at all. But it still bothers me that they only dedicate themselves to exposing conservative misinformation. It's as if they want to only make conservatives look bad and not liberals. A balanced outlet would be dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative and liberal misinformation in the U.S. media.

Do you have a similar problem with Newsbusters? Or is that conservative research and information non-profit ok for you?
 
Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf
2012-01-21 05:50:16 AM
dumbobruni: Cloudchaser Sakonige the Red Wolf: Media Matters. "A Web-based, not-for-profit, 501(c)(3) progressive research and information center dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative misinformation in the U.S. media." Nothing wrong with that. I've no problem with that at all. But it still bothers me that they only dedicate themselves to exposing conservative misinformation. It's as if they want to only make conservatives look bad and not liberals. A balanced outlet would be dedicated to comprehensively monitoring, analyzing, and correcting conservative and liberal misinformation in the U.S. media.

Do you have a similar problem with Newsbusters? Or is that conservative research and information non-profit ok for you?

So Newsbusters really is a conservative version of Media Matters? I wasn't aware of that. It still bothers me when any outlet leans one way or the other instead of being balanced. That to me suggests that they're trying to get people to think in the way they want them to think.
 
pdee
2012-01-21 11:07:58 AM
That is not a number simply plucked out of the air. Each of those 20,000+ jobs has been accounted for by TransCanada, the company that proposed Keystone XL. TransCanada's vice president recently broke down Keystone XL's anticipated job creation as follows:

•Construction: 17 pipeline "spreads" x 500 workers/spread = 8,500 workers

•Operations: 30 pump stations x 100 workers/station = 3,000 workers

•Manufacturing (pipes, hardware, etc.): 7,000 workers

•Oversight/Management: 1,000 workers

•Assembly camps: 600 workers

These are more than 20,000 real jobs for Americans - jobs that cannot be outsourced.
 
Lligeret [TotalFark]
2012-01-21 06:47:47 PM
pdee: That is not a number simply plucked out of the air. Each of those 20,000+ jobs has been accounted for by TransCanada, the company that proposed Keystone XL. TransCanada's vice president recently broke down Keystone XL's anticipated job creation as follows:

•Construction: 17 pipeline "spreads" x 500 workers/spread = 8,500 workers

•Operations: 30 pump stations x 100 workers/station = 3,000 workers

•Manufacturing (pipes, hardware, etc.): 7,000 workers

•Oversight/Management: 1,000 workers

•Assembly camps: 600 workers

These are more than 20,000 real jobs for Americans - jobs that cannot be outsourced.


That is funny there is video evidence of the vice-president pretty clearly stating that that is not true.

Also line by line.

-Construction work, is the short term work everyone is talking about, not long term jobs, it would be short over a couple of years and then done. Not that their is anything wrong with it, but the reality is that those jobs are jobs that are gone in a couple years.

-3,000 people at the pump stations, give you that one.

-Manufacturing: These jobs are going to China, the plan already gave a big FU to the U.S. steel industry (oops outsourced jobs).

-Oversight management: Almost all of these are short term jobs as well. With a handful of them being double dipped, from other areas (such as the pump stations, the management for those stations was already counted).

-Assembly camps: again short term jobs.


Long term job creations 3,000. Keep reading that BS, A political representative telling a lie? You do not say.. Because you probably did not make it to the 1:20 mark (which is the only important statement in the whole thing).

Robert Jones, Vice-President of TransCanada: "In the field from Montana to Houston in the hundreds, certainly not in the thousands, because those are construction jobs."

Man fark facts and their libural bias.



Again outside of a few crazies, the issue is not with the pipeline itself, it is an issue with the pipeline in its proposed form. TransCanada wants this pipeline really bad, it is their best choice for exporting their oil overseas, with the least cost to the company, and avoiding having to deal with Canadian environmental regulations. The U.S. could easily get a pipeline, where the manufacturing jobs are in the U.S. plus you still maintain the construction jobs and the long term maintenance jobs, plus better environmental oversight so that we do not have to deal with shoddy construction that has been an issue in the past with the same company on pipelines.

Pushing the pipeline through in its current form is nothing more than a blatant money grab.
 
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