If the DHS is so bad assed, maybe they should put their home offices in Baltimore.

Not that tought, eh, guys?

STEAL our jobs? STEAL our language? STEAL our way of life? SIT on a roof and stare at ten year old girls playing in the neighboring driveway?

It's high time we SHIP these criminals back home:

penthesilea: [www.baltimoresun.com image 299x327]

These are the people stealing your jobs.

Forgive me if I'm mistaken, but isn't Mexico a part of North America?

spentmiles: STEAL our jobs? STEAL our language? STEAL our way of life? SIT on a roof and stare at ten year old girls playing in the neighboring driveway?

It's high time we SHIP these criminals back home:

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Cool. You could fit an entire family in that thing. Put some wheels on it to lessen the drag.

BunkoSquad: What kind of hellhole do you have to grow up in to make fleeing to Baltimore an alternative?

Mexico for one. How many daily beheadings do you hear about in Baltimore?

Cajnik: So they have too many cases to deal with, so they are prioritizing and getting the criminals out of the country. What's the problem here?

this, there is a budget to deport x number of people. DHS is prioritizing people who have been arrested for a crime rather than people who are just trying to live their lives quietly.

penthesilea: [www.baltimoresun.com image 299x327]

These are the people stealing your jobs.

I don't think that has anything to do with illegal immigrants.

Everyone in the US came from somewhere else.

BunkoSquad: What kind of hellhole do you have to grow up in to make fleeing to Baltimore an alternative?

Have you been there? The inner harbor is nice, and it is the easiest traffic city that I've ever seen. I would certainly live there.

/not from Baltimore.

Wise_Guy: penthesilea: [www.baltimoresun.com image 299x327]

These are the people stealing your jobs.

I don't think that has anything to do with illegal immigrants.

Everyone in the US came from somewhere else.

I was born in Texas, dipshiat.

Voiceofreason01: Cajnik: So they have too many cases to deal with, so they are prioritizing and getting the criminals out of the country. What's the problem here?

this, there is a budget to deport x number of people. DHS is prioritizing people who have been arrested for a crime rather than people who are just trying to live their lives quietly.

Stop being farkin sensible, I want to be OUTRAGED!

This is already a sanctuary state (come here, we'll not only help you stay, but give you rent, food stamps and WIC just because we're nice), and this will just make it worse.

The Stealth Hippopotamus: "legal enough"

That's the major problem with bureacracy -- the various overlapping rules make for some nonsensical situations.

I experienced a similar problem with taxes and driver's licenses when I was doing short-term work stints in various countries -- both jurisdictions would consider me a resident at the same time due to ties, both would say I needed to have driver's licenses and pay state income tax, etc. Or a similar issue with using notaries in different jurisidictions -- in some areas they are allowed to prepare documents or even marry people, and in others they can only be a partial witness -- so you can get stuck trying to notarize a document in one jurisdiction for legal purposes elsewhere because neither notary can accept the wording of the other's forms and declarations. There are all sorts of weird cases with people in foreclosures where they make payments but still are considered delinquent because the company that originally managed the mortgage goes under, etc. There are the cases of lists like bad credit or do-not-fly where people get mistakenly listed and can never get off again.

Bureaucracy is made even more silly with computers, which will blindly follow literal rules. Accidentally pay one cent less than you owe = foreclosure to a computer. Someone mistakenly enters your SSN and your credit inexplicably becomes bad in the computer's "eyes".

USA, we're kind of a joke!

Does it count if you're humane to non-humans? That's what illegals are, right?

I absolutely cannot fathom how or why anyone supports illegal immigrants. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?

Give me your address and let me 'overstay' my 'visa' and live in *your* house. And take food from your fridge. And sleep on your couch.

Since when does someone's desire to live in place X trump the rights of the people who own X?

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely cannot fathom how or why anyone supports illegal immigrants. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?

Give me your address and let me 'overstay' my 'visa' and live in *your* house. And take food from your fridge. And sleep on your couch.

Since when does someone's desire to live in place X trump the rights of the people who own X?

illegal immigration != stealing

/broken analogy fails to address subtleties intrinsic to the reality of the situation

Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely cannot fathom how or why anyone supports illegal immigrants. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?

Give me your address and let me 'overstay' my 'visa' and live in *your* house. And take food from your fridge. And sleep on your couch.

Since when does someone's desire to live in place X trump the rights of the people who own X?

No one supports illegal immigration. It is similar to erroneously saying that people support abortion -- no one does. No one wants either thing to happen, it's just that it is a reality that we can't stop it from happening so you have to figure out what is the best social response.

So the question is how do you keep from creating a marginalized segment of society that is hiding in the shadows and forced to work illegally? For example, should illegal immigrant kids be allowed into our schools? I'd say yes because the alternative is that they just hide out, uneducated, with no prospect except to become criminals.

So it is not about "supporting" or liking it, it is about choosing the lesser of two evils and being pragmatic. We can't stop it, so might as well lessen the impact.

To use your analogy about overstaying in my house, of course I would try to kick the person out, but if I can't I'd rather be on friendly terms, have him help around the house, and know where he was rather than having him hiding out in my basement hating me.

RedPhoenix122: Because both deporting people and granting citizenship are both politically bad in an election year, so leave them here, pretend they don't exist, never mind how it actually affects the people involved.

I'm not sure the DHS has the authority to grant citizenship just like that. They still have to work within the legal system.

BEER_ME_in_CT: Can we just kick these assholes out please? There are enough American citizens mooching off the system with no health ins and not paying taxes.

Sales tax, vehicle-related taxes, property taxes (indirectly if renting)....

CruJones: I'm not sure the DHS has the authority to grant citizenship just like that. They still have to work within the legal system.

No. Bush gave them superpowers.
They don't need habeus corpus, or warrents, or anything.
They can't do what they want.
What eva.

Nem Wan: BEER_ME_in_CT: Can we just kick these assholes out please? There are enough American citizens mooching off the system with no health ins and not paying taxes.

Sales tax, vehicle-related taxes, property taxes (indirectly if renting)....

this.
csb: People here were up in arms about letting illegal immigrants have in-county tuition for the local community college until somebody pointed out the the community college is funded by a sales tax.

Voiceofreason01: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely cannot fathom how or why anyone supports illegal immigrants. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?

Give me your address and let me 'overstay' my 'visa' and live in *your* house. And take food from your fridge. And sleep on your couch.

Since when does someone's desire to live in place X trump the rights of the people who own X?

illegal immigration != stealing

/broken analogy fails to address subtleties intrinsic to the reality of the situation

Trespassing != stealing

Use of single tax payer dollar == stealing when you are an illegal immigrant. Riding a city bus that is subsidized by tax payers == stealing. Enrolling your kids in school == stealing. Working any job == stealing. Begging for change == stealing.

You can argue with me about the technical meaning of 'stealing' but, at the very least, it's not right.

jabelar: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely cannot fathom how or why anyone supports illegal immigrants. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?

Give me your address and let me 'overstay' my 'visa' and live in *your* house. And take food from your fridge. And sleep on your couch.

Since when does someone's desire to live in place X trump the rights of the people who own X?

No one supports illegal immigration. It is similar to erroneously saying that people support abortion -- no one does. No one wants either thing to happen, it's just that it is a reality that we can't stop it from happening so you have to figure out what is the best social response.

So the question is how do you keep from creating a marginalized segment of society that is hiding in the shadows and forced to work illegally? For example, should illegal immigrant kids be allowed into our schools? I'd say yes because the alternative is that they just hide out, uneducated, with no prospect except to become criminals.

So it is not about "supporting" or liking it, it is about choosing the lesser of two evils and being pragmatic. We can't stop it, so might as well lessen the impact.

To use your analogy about overstaying in my house, of course I would try to kick the person out, but if I can't I'd rather be on friendly terms, have him help around the house, and know where he was rather than having him hiding out in my basement hating me.

So basically.....

"Look lady, I'm gonna rape you. If you fight it, it'll be painful, violent rape. If you let it happen, it won't be so bad! Be pragmatic about it! You can't stop me, might as well make it fun and easy for me"

I can't support that line of reasoning.

TheShavingofOccam123: There is nothing subtle about why illegals live here. They know they can get away with it.

no offense but that was the most stupid thing that I've read today

/and I've spent most of the morning on FARK so that's really saying something
//just kidding, I kinda hope you were offended

Cajnik: spentmiles: STEAL our jobs? STEAL our language? STEAL our way of life? SIT on a roof and stare at ten year old girls playing in the neighboring driveway?

It's high time we SHIP these criminals back home:

trololololololololololo/nice try though

Trololololololololololo Děsivý

Fark_Guy_Rob: Use of single tax payer dollar == stealing when you are an illegal immigrant. Riding a city bus that is subsidized by tax payers == stealing. Enrolling your kids in school == stealing. Working any job == stealing. Begging for change == stealing.

You can argue with me about the technical meaning of 'stealing' but, at the very least, it's not right.

so you can fix the problem by spending millions to aggressively pursue these people of you can arrange the system so that they're paying income tax instead of operating on an underground economy.

/local services(like buses) are often(almost always) funded in part or in full by property and sales taxes which are hard to avoid if you live in an area regardless of immigration status
//technically using a service that you've paid for != stealing

Cajnik: So they have too many cases to deal with, so they are prioritizing and getting the criminals out of the country. What's the problem here?

Because there is nothing to prioritize. Put them on the bus, drive them across the border, drop them off. Period.

Voiceofreason01: Fark_Guy_Rob: I absolutely cannot fathom how or why anyone supports illegal immigrants. Seriously. What the hell is wrong with you?

Give me your address and let me 'overstay' my 'visa' and live in *your* house. And take food from your fridge. And sleep on your couch.

Since when does someone's desire to live in place X trump the rights of the people who own X?

illegal immigration != stealing

/broken analogy fails to address subtleties intrinsic to the reality of the situation

What fantasyland do you live in?