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(Fox News)   MPAA's Chris Dodd threatens to cut off Hollywood's campaign contributions if Obama does not change his position on SOPA   (foxnews.com) divider line 478
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2012-01-20 12:40:58 PM  

mojotele: downtownkid: I use "stealing" because it is essentially true. It is much easier than typing "violating a license agreement by obtaining a digital copy through illegal means by a segment of the population; a certain unknown portion of which may not have chosen to legally obtain the license were they obligated to pay whereas another portion certainly would have paid for it but avoided doing so because they were able to thus depriving me of residual payments which I earned through the fruits of my labors", every time a twunt like you makes the same old boring and easily disproved argument that you are making.

You could use the term "copyright infringement," but I guess that wouldn't fit into your overall campaign very well.

Not to mention that using the term "stealing" isn't true, not even essentially.



No, I couldn't, as I am not the copyright holder.

Feel free to explain how I'm not being stolen from. I really, really hope you aren't going to trot out the same old "just because they they illegally downloaded it doesn't mean they would have bought it" trope, because that is as boring as it is incorrect.
 
2012-01-20 12:44:15 PM  

Amos Quito: And you'll notice that SOPA/PIPA are an attack on the former by those that control the latter, who seek to preserve their power.


/Also: BEHOLD THE POWER OF FARK MODS!


True. Funny enough, in the middle ages, knights wanted the Church to prohibit the use of crossbows, because they felt it was a dishonorable weapon and it was of satanic influence (Translation: A simple peasant with two hours of crossbow practice could kill a knight, in one shot, that had to train for years to wear his armor/fight mounted/use his knightly weapons). And, where are the knights today? But I see still see a few crossbows.

In other words, they're the knights, and we're the peasants. And practice time is over.

/Also, I found this funny (new window).
 
2012-01-20 12:47:30 PM  

scottydoesntknow: CeroX: Guidette Frankentits: Obama has my vote

awwww... your so cute!

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i158.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-20 12:47:53 PM  

Mikey1969: fracto73: You are leaving out the large number of people who did legally buy it once it became available for purchase.

Yeah, there is that block as well. Personally, I like to own most of my movies legitimately as well, much nicer to go through them when they are lined up on a shelf, rather than on a bunch of DVD-R's, labeled with my particular brand of chicken scratch...

That said, if some company is being particularly douche-y, I usually switch to buying only used from them, if at all possible. Fark them, they don't get my money if I can help it.



With movies and TV I find it isn't worth the time to download something I may or may not like, and if it is something I will like I would rather stream it through netflix, rent it on itunes, or get a disk. I make sure that the people who make the things I like get paid, so they continue to make the things I like.

With music I generally listen to pandora. What little I have in mp3's came from itunes giftcards and generally was spent with the intention of giving money to the artists I like to encourage them to keep making music.

Piracy, as a means for getting entertainment, is not worth my time. There is a glut of options available and I don't have to pirate to get something that I will enjoy. For the most part that means books and generally I can read the first chapter or two online negating any need to pirate them first.
 
2012-01-20 12:49:38 PM  

g4lt: heinekenftw: g4lt: If there was only some way that a President with balls (not so fast, Obama) to only veto a part of a bill, a line item if you will...

If only SCOTUS hadn't declared that unconstitutional in 1996.

Link (new window)

Yeah, because the Constitution is chiseled in stone, never to be altered again


For all intents and purposes, it is. It is really farking hard to amend the constitution. The last time an amendment was proposed that eventually passed was in 1971 (one more passed in 1992, but it was first proposed in 1789 and only got enough states to ratify it more than years later).

Basically, unless vast majorities of both parties and the populations of most states agree on an issue, a constitutional amendment on that topic will fail. If your solution to a problem is a constitutional amendment, you don't actually have a solution to said problem.
 
2012-01-20 12:50:53 PM  
Fark does not have an edit function, so I will repost a sentence that I otherwise would have edited in my previous post:

The last time an amendment was proposed that eventually passed was in 1971 (one more passed in 1992, but it was first proposed in 1789 and only got enough states to ratify it more than two hundred years years later).

(Missing text in italics.)
 
2012-01-20 12:52:16 PM  

downtownkid: mojotele: downtownkid: I use "stealing" because it is essentially true. It is much easier than typing "violating a license agreement by obtaining a digital copy through illegal means by a segment of the population; a certain unknown portion of which may not have chosen to legally obtain the license were they obligated to pay whereas another portion certainly would have paid for it but avoided doing so because they were able to thus depriving me of residual payments which I earned through the fruits of my labors", every time a twunt like you makes the same old boring and easily disproved argument that you are making.

You could use the term "copyright infringement," but I guess that wouldn't fit into your overall campaign very well.

Not to mention that using the term "stealing" isn't true, not even essentially.


No, I couldn't, as I am not the copyright holder.

Feel free to explain how I'm not being stolen from. I really, really hope you aren't going to trot out the same old "just because they they illegally downloaded it doesn't mean they would have bought it" trope, because that is as boring as it is incorrect.



Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?
 
2012-01-20 12:53:23 PM  

CygnusDarius: Amos Quito: And you'll notice that SOPA/PIPA are an attack on the former by those that control the latter, who seek to preserve their power.


/Also: BEHOLD THE POWER OF FARK MODS!

True. Funny enough, in the middle ages, knights wanted the Church to prohibit the use of crossbows, because they felt it was a dishonorable weapon and it was of satanic influence (Translation: A simple peasant with two hours of crossbow practice could kill a knight, in one shot, that had to train for years to wear his armor/fight mounted/use his knightly weapons). And, where are the knights today? But I see still see a few crossbows.

In other words, they're the knights, and we're the peasants. And practice time is over
.

/Also, I found this funny (new window).



Excellent analogy.
 
2012-01-20 12:57:11 PM  
If SOPA passes I will never buy another song or movie as long as I live. I've got lots of other things I can do instead.
 
2012-01-20 12:59:49 PM  

fracto73: downtownkid: mojotele: downtownkid: I use "stealing" because it is essentially true. It is much easier than typing "violating a license agreement by obtaining a digital copy through illegal means by a segment of the population; a certain unknown portion of which may not have chosen to legally obtain the license were they obligated to pay whereas another portion certainly would have paid for it but avoided doing so because they were able to thus depriving me of residual payments which I earned through the fruits of my labors", every time a twunt like you makes the same old boring and easily disproved argument that you are making.

You could use the term "copyright infringement," but I guess that wouldn't fit into your overall campaign very well.

Not to mention that using the term "stealing" isn't true, not even essentially.


No, I couldn't, as I am not the copyright holder.

Feel free to explain how I'm not being stolen from. I really, really hope you aren't going to trot out the same old "just because they they illegally downloaded it doesn't mean they would have bought it" trope, because that is as boring as it is incorrect.


Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?



Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.
 
2012-01-20 01:01:18 PM  

BMFPitt: So Obama can alienate some people in Hollywood, or the entire rest of the country. He'll have to think about that one.


Obama won't even be alienating more than 1% of Hollywood. Most of the talent don't really care.

The only people who get paid mostly in residuals would be commercial actors. And how the hell pirate commercials? And who the heck cares about commercials being pirated?
 
2012-01-20 01:02:43 PM  

fracto73: Piracy, as a means for getting entertainment, is not worth my time. There is a glut of options available and I don't have to pirate to get something that I will enjoy. For the most part that means books and generally I can read the first chapter or two online negating any need to pirate them first.


Yeah, it's a Pain in the Ass most of the time. I have found that DVDFab is super easy to use for duplication, but I seldom do it. Downloading and trying to burn is just ridiculous, no two people RIP something the same way. Not really impressed with streaming options, Netflix has yet to impress me, and while some of the TV networks have good sites and good media players, the rest are totally farked. On top of it, I just don't have the options like I have on a DVD or DVR, can't pause indefinitely, if something happens, I have to start at the beginning, can't skip commercials, etc...

Books? I got a Nook for my birthday, and love it. It will never really take the place of a actual physical book, but it definitely has its pluses. Problem with the ebooks is that they are insanely overpriced, more than a softcover if it's popular, then I can't lend it to a friend when I want to unless formats match, and I have "permission" on top of that. Sometimes I can understand why people pirate stuff, the industry pisses everyone off so much they go underground.
 
2012-01-20 01:03:21 PM  

downtownkid: fracto73: downtownkid: mojotele: downtownkid: I use "stealing" because it is essentially true. It is much easier than typing "violating a license agreement by obtaining a digital copy through illegal means by a segment of the population; a certain unknown portion of which may not have chosen to legally obtain the license were they obligated to pay whereas another portion certainly would have paid for it but avoided doing so because they were able to thus depriving me of residual payments which I earned through the fruits of my labors", every time a twunt like you makes the same old boring and easily disproved argument that you are making.

You could use the term "copyright infringement," but I guess that wouldn't fit into your overall campaign very well.

Not to mention that using the term "stealing" isn't true, not even essentially.


No, I couldn't, as I am not the copyright holder.

Feel free to explain how I'm not being stolen from. I really, really hope you aren't going to trot out the same old "just because they they illegally downloaded it doesn't mean they would have bought it" trope, because that is as boring as it is incorrect.

Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?

Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.



Hey, you insist that it is theft. Most insurance, especially for a business, covers theft. If you haven't filed a claim after someone stole from you, why not?
 
2012-01-20 01:04:10 PM  

downtownkid: Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.


I am interested in your take on finding a non-government intervention means of dealing with piracy though...

What's wrong with taking a page out of apple and introducing technologies along with marketing that will make people flock to an online distribution method like i described earlier...

Make billions, get paid, and make pirates obsolete... It just requires the industry to shift paradigms.
 
2012-01-20 01:05:05 PM  
...Wow. Just wow.
 
2012-01-20 01:08:23 PM  

BitwiseShift: Avatar changed my life. If I never see another blue character in a film, I'll still throw up a little thinking about it.


Before going to see Avatar, I had a large steak and two martinis. Went in feeling a bit queasy. All the spinning cameras and other things happening on the big screen caused me to barf up all the steak into the floor next to me (not too many people in the theatre by then). Walked to the bathroom and barfed up another load into the toilet. Left and went home. Stupid ass movie, too (at least to the part where I left).
 
2012-01-20 01:09:09 PM  

fracto73: downtownkid: fracto73: downtownkid: mojotele: downtownkid: I use "stealing" because it is essentially true. It is much easier than typing "violating a license agreement by obtaining a digital copy through illegal means by a segment of the population; a certain unknown portion of which may not have chosen to legally obtain the license were they obligated to pay whereas another portion certainly would have paid for it but avoided doing so because they were able to thus depriving me of residual payments which I earned through the fruits of my labors", every time a twunt like you makes the same old boring and easily disproved argument that you are making.

You could use the term "copyright infringement," but I guess that wouldn't fit into your overall campaign very well.

Not to mention that using the term "stealing" isn't true, not even essentially.


No, I couldn't, as I am not the copyright holder.

Feel free to explain how I'm not being stolen from. I really, really hope you aren't going to trot out the same old "just because they they illegally downloaded it doesn't mean they would have bought it" trope, because that is as boring as it is incorrect.

Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?

Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.


Hey, you insist that it is theft. Most insurance, especially for a business, covers theft. If you haven't filed a claim after someone stole from you, why not?



Ah yes, I guess I forgot to pay the premium on my "internet piracy diverted money from my pension fund" policy.

We've already been through this. You want to play your little semantic games. Go find someone else to troll, you bore me.
 
2012-01-20 01:10:29 PM  

downtownkid: If someone purchases a movie I helped make I get a very small portion of the price they paid for it. If they "copy" it I do not. Explain to me how this is not hurting me again?


It is hurting you. But what's really hurting you is the people like me, who are WILLING to pay for your product to be streamed into my home, but can't access it because the rights owners have chosen not to make it available in that format. People like me would LIKE to pay you for your work, but not at the expense of having to purchase and store a DVD.

Talk to the rights owners of those movies you helped make and ask them why they aren't tapping this potential revenue stream. They're the ones who are farking you over.
 
2012-01-20 01:11:11 PM  

Mikey1969: fracto73: Piracy, as a means for getting entertainment, is not worth my time. There is a glut of options available and I don't have to pirate to get something that I will enjoy. For the most part that means books and generally I can read the first chapter or two online negating any need to pirate them first.

Yeah, it's a Pain in the Ass most of the time. I have found that DVDFab is super easy to use for duplication, but I seldom do it. Downloading and trying to burn is just ridiculous, no two people RIP something the same way. Not really impressed with streaming options, Netflix has yet to impress me, and while some of the TV networks have good sites and good media players, the rest are totally farked. On top of it, I just don't have the options like I have on a DVD or DVR, can't pause indefinitely, if something happens, I have to start at the beginning, can't skip commercials, etc...

Books? I got a Nook for my birthday, and love it. It will never really take the place of a actual physical book, but it definitely has its pluses. Problem with the ebooks is that they are insanely overpriced, more than a softcover if it's popular, then I can't lend it to a friend when I want to unless formats match, and I have "permission" on top of that. Sometimes I can understand why people pirate stuff, the industry pisses everyone off so much they go underground.



I got my fiance a nook. I agree it can't replace the physical book, but it is nice to have in addition. We still buy dead tree versions of some titles, but for junkfood type books that I plan on reading once, i'm ok with digital. One of the benefits for an ebook is that we can both have it on our devices. I can read on my iTouch and she can have it on her nook. The helpful folks at BN told us we can have an account on up to 6 devices that she knew of. Not that you can't put it on more, but thats the most she had seen. I wouldn't share my account with friends since it is linked to a credit card but it makes sense for us to use the same account.
 
2012-01-20 01:12:04 PM  

dericwater: Stupid ass movie, too (at least to the part where I left).


Well, at least Cameron--unlike the folks at Disney--thought better than to put a farking face on the wise, all-knowing tree that was everyone's grandmother. I give him points for that.
 
2012-01-20 01:12:08 PM  

CeroX: downtownkid: Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.

I am interested in your take on finding a non-government intervention means of dealing with piracy though...

What's wrong with taking a page out of apple and introducing technologies along with marketing that will make people flock to an online distribution method like i described earlier...

Make billions, get paid, and make pirates obsolete... It just requires the industry to shift paradigms.



Oh, I think you are the most reasonable person in this thread. Totally agree with you. It is definitely incumbent on the industry to create a viable distribution model and they have not. That being said there are still plenty of knuckleheads who will continue stealing. For example, a jackass like fracto73 who would rather parse the argument through semantics to justify taking someone else's intellectual property without paying for it.
 
2012-01-20 01:12:30 PM  

downtownkid: fracto73: Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?


Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.


So someone makes a valid point, and rather than responding, you call them an asshole?

[You'reNotHelping.jpg]

Piracy is not stealing because no one is taking anything away from you. They're just not giving you something you feel you deserve. That's not theft.
 
2012-01-20 01:13:39 PM  

SurfaceTension: downtownkid: If someone purchases a movie I helped make I get a very small portion of the price they paid for it. If they "copy" it I do not. Explain to me how this is not hurting me again?

It is hurting you. But what's really hurting you is the people like me, who are WILLING to pay for your product to be streamed into my home, but can't access it because the rights owners have chosen not to make it available in that format. People like me would LIKE to pay you for your work, but not at the expense of having to purchase and store a DVD.

Talk to the rights owners of those movies you helped make and ask them why they aren't tapping this potential revenue stream. They're the ones who are farking you over.



Again, I agree. It IS a two-sided problem, though, and both thieves like fracto and the industry are in the wrong.
 
2012-01-20 01:14:38 PM  

BurnShrike: downtownkid: fracto73: Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?


Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.

So someone makes a valid point, and rather than responding, you call them an asshole?

[You'reNotHelping.jpg]

Piracy is not stealing because no one is taking anything away from you. They're just not giving you something you feel you deserve. That's not theft.



You are a smart man, though I may still be an asshole.
 
2012-01-20 01:15:59 PM  

downtownkid: SurfaceTension: downtownkid: If someone purchases a movie I helped make I get a very small portion of the price they paid for it. If they "copy" it I do not. Explain to me how this is not hurting me again?

It is hurting you. But what's really hurting you is the people like me, who are WILLING to pay for your product to be streamed into my home, but can't access it because the rights owners have chosen not to make it available in that format. People like me would LIKE to pay you for your work, but not at the expense of having to purchase and store a DVD.

Talk to the rights owners of those movies you helped make and ask them why they aren't tapping this potential revenue stream. They're the ones who are farking you over.


Again, I agree. It IS a two-sided problem, though, and both thieves like fracto and the industry are in the wrong.



In what way is asking you to be honest theft?
 
2012-01-20 01:16:07 PM  

BurnShrike: downtownkid: fracto73: Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?


Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.

So someone makes a valid point, and rather than responding, you call them an asshole?

[You'reNotHelping.jpg]

Piracy is not stealing because no one is taking anything away from you. They're just not giving you something you feel you deserve. That's not theft.



I called him (her?) an asshole because he is not making a valid point. They, just like you, are merely repeating the same old tired argument. It's annoying, and if not flat-out trolling it aint far from it.
 
2012-01-20 01:17:40 PM  
I honestly could care less about these execs of entertainment. I cut back on my expenses of cable tv and movies some time ago. I have netflix just for the streaming but it has terrible selection and considering dumping it other than documentaries which I enjoy. I never was much of person to go to movies. Wish more people would cut back...the entertainment industry needs reminding they are "entertainment" NOT a necessity. Cable just kept going up in price, increasing amount of commercials and poor content. I read more, get my news off the net (which is more recent) and spend more time generally doing productive things except obviously here I am on fark. You farkers!

Pisses me off our government has to be reminded NOT to allow big money interest to influence it's citizens rights through censorship. Oh but this is America Incorporated. I swear our government is for sell to the highest bidder sometimes.
 
2012-01-20 01:18:20 PM  

downtownkid: BurnShrike: downtownkid: fracto73: Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?


Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.

So someone makes a valid point, and rather than responding, you call them an asshole?

[You'reNotHelping.jpg]

Piracy is not stealing because no one is taking anything away from you. They're just not giving you something you feel you deserve. That's not theft.


I called him (her?) an asshole because he is not making a valid point. They, just like you, are merely repeating the same old tired argument. It's annoying, and if not flat-out trolling it aint far from it.



Ok, I'll stop saying it isn't theft if you stop calling it theft. Agreed?

Even you know it isn't stealing, which is why your not contacting your insurance company.
 
2012-01-20 01:18:45 PM  
Tell you what, fracto and burn shrike. Feel free to pop back into any of the multitudes of old threads on this same topic. You can re-read all the times people like yourselves justify taking something that doesn't belong to you, and go through the many little verbal dodges you use, and wind up at the VERY same place we are now, which is you taking something that doesn't belong to you. As I said, boring.
 
2012-01-20 01:19:26 PM  

downtownkid: BurnShrike: downtownkid: fracto73: Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?


Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.

So someone makes a valid point, and rather than responding, you call them an asshole?

[You'reNotHelping.jpg]

Piracy is not stealing because no one is taking anything away from you. They're just not giving you something you feel you deserve. That's not theft.


I called him (her?) an asshole because he is not making a valid point. They, just like you, are merely repeating the same old tired argument. It's annoying, and if not flat-out trolling it aint far from it.


Why do you keep asserting this is a tired old argument, when it's the way the law actually works?
 
2012-01-20 01:21:55 PM  

downtownkid: Tell you what, fracto and burn shrike. Feel free to pop back into any of the multitudes of old threads on this same topic. You can re-read all the times people like yourselves justify taking something that doesn't belong to you, and go through the many little verbal dodges you use, and wind up at the VERY same place we are now, which is you taking something that doesn't belong to you. As I said, boring.



You don't seem to be paying attention. I am not justifying it, or saying it is good. I'm just saying it isn't theft. Playing the word game to gain sympathy doesn't help your case.
 
2012-01-20 01:22:33 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: downtownkid: BurnShrike: downtownkid: fracto73: Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?


Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.

So someone makes a valid point, and rather than responding, you call them an asshole?

[You'reNotHelping.jpg]

Piracy is not stealing because no one is taking anything away from you. They're just not giving you something you feel you deserve. That's not theft.


I called him (her?) an asshole because he is not making a valid point. They, just like you, are merely repeating the same old tired argument. It's annoying, and if not flat-out trolling it aint far from it.

Why do you keep asserting this is a tired old argument, when it's the way the law actually works?


Fine, you're not stealing according to the letter of the law. You are "violating a license agreement by obtaining a digital copy through illegal means by a segment of the population; a certain unknown portion of which may not have chosen to legally obtain the license were they obligated to pay whereas another portion certainly would have paid for it but avoided doing so because they were able to thus depriving me of residual payments which I earned through the fruits of my labors".

Now we've played your little game and we are back where we started, which is with you taking something that doesn't belong to you. And keeping money out of my pocket. But not stealing, oh no. Now go have a cookie.
 
2012-01-20 01:23:13 PM  
If SOPA, TILA, DIDO, or any other bullshiat passes, I will never attend a movie theater, purchase a DVD, or buy music ever again.
 
2012-01-20 01:24:15 PM  
You know what this country needs? More political assassinations.
 
2012-01-20 01:27:37 PM  
WTF, how is this, ""Don't ask me to write a check for you when you think your job is at risk and then don't pay any attention to me when my job is at stake," not a bribery/extortion?

He very plainly says that if he doesn't help him out with the passage of SOPA/PIPA he can forget his side donating money to his campaign. How is this not trying to buy legislation in it's purest form? I suppose he didn't actually ring the doorbell while holding a pen and paper and a case full of cash, but still.
 
2012-01-20 01:28:07 PM  
And keeping money out of my pocket. But not stealing, oh no.

Correct, that's not stealing. That's why it falls under a different set of laws.
 
2012-01-20 01:28:34 PM  

joeflood: Remember folks, this isn't a battle between content creators versus pirates. It's rent-seeking media cartels versus content creators, consumers, and liberty.


QFT

This is nothing but a shakedown. A money and power grab, if you will.

I hope Obama and some of Hollywood's biggest stars tell the cartels to go fark themselves. Then, I hope the govt. investigates the Hell out of the Hollywood cartels over those pedophilia accusations.
 
2012-01-20 01:29:31 PM  

HotWingConspiracy: And keeping money out of my pocket. But not stealing, oh no.

Correct, that's not stealing. That's why it falls under a different set of laws.



Honestly, if it was stealing the penalties would be WAY less.
 
2012-01-20 01:33:36 PM  

malaktaus: You know what this country needs? More political assassinations.


Nah, politicians are puppets. The CEOs of these companies, however...

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-01-20 01:34:09 PM  
http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance

LOL like it matters... he has more money in his campaign war chest than all the repubs trying to run combined!

Tell em to fark off Obama! Tell em you bought the Blueray rip from the Chinese lady down the street and watched it 17 times!

Also, how the hell did they come up with pirated 21 million times??? 1 basement dweller downloads it and shows it to 20 million friends? :P
 
2012-01-20 01:34:20 PM  
Abuse of power, eh Chris?
 
2012-01-20 01:35:05 PM  
Anyone get a kick out of the anti-piracy PSAs they show before movies, and on DVD's? They get some poor schmoe to sit there in front of the camera and lament about the cost of piracy. Usually, it's someone like a stuntman or a PA, something like that. The dishonest part of the spot is that this person is acting like you directly impacted his wallet by pirating Avatar, so that you will feel sorry for him and buy 27 copies of the movie tomorrow. Only problem with this is that the guy already has been paid for the movie, and has moved on, probably collecting checks for more films before Avatar(Or whatever movie) is even on the shelves. He's moved on, and your decision to pirate impacts him not at all. The only people who work for a share in the movie tend to be people like directors, producers and BIG name talent. 'Stunt-person A' gets a paycheck before the movie is even edited.
 
2012-01-20 01:40:18 PM  

Mikey1969: Anyone get a kick out of the anti-piracy PSAs they show before movies, and on DVD's? They get some poor schmoe to sit there in front of the camera and lament about the cost of piracy. Usually, it's someone like a stuntman or a PA, something like that. The dishonest part of the spot is that this person is acting like you directly impacted his wallet by pirating Avatar, so that you will feel sorry for him and buy 27 copies of the movie tomorrow. Only problem with this is that the guy already has been paid for the movie, and has moved on, probably collecting checks for more films before Avatar(Or whatever movie) is even on the shelves. He's moved on, and your decision to pirate impacts him not at all. The only people who work for a share in the movie tend to be people like directors, producers and BIG name talent. 'Stunt-person A' gets a paycheck before the movie is even edited.


They really should start putting pro-piracy PSAs on pirated movies.
 
2012-01-20 01:40:26 PM  

downtownkid: Tell you what, fracto and burn shrike. Feel free to pop back into any of the multitudes of old threads on this same topic. You can re-read all the times people like yourselves justify taking something that doesn't belong to you, and go through the many little verbal dodges you use, and wind up at the VERY same place we are now, which is you taking something that doesn't belong to you. As I said, boring.


now, to take the role of the devil's advocate and justify the piracy

I buy a dvd: $20
I bought a computer to rip the dvd: $1000
I buy a broadband internet connection: $75/month

With open source software i take 2 hours to rip a DVD
since my time at work is worth $15/hour then my time anywhere is worth $15/hour

So ripping DVD = $30

Now, at this stage i'm not yet a pirate, but I'm about to become one:

I create a torrent from said movie i ripped
then i begin free distribution of said movie
I allow 500K bandwidth on my movie for distribution
at roughly 4 gigs, it takes me 4 hours per distribution per customer
Since my time is worth $30, that's $120 per customer per download

Now, as a distributor i'm not gainfully making any money, but the total cost for my time and effort and equipment to distribute my movie is roughly $1245 for my first movie... the cost eventually whittles down to about $150 per month at 1 movie distribution per month.

And your movie is reaching more people than had i not put forth all that cost, time and work to distribute it.

I've bought the product, and i've decided to go into the charity distribution business with no expectation of compensation for my distribution efforts


For the record, the only thing i've downloaded are foreign TV shows i can't get here in america... though thankfully BBC started showing their stuff online, so i've got no use for that now either...

/Sherlock is magnificent, but the seasons are only 3 episodes each!
 
2012-01-20 01:40:59 PM  

downtownkid: I called him (her?) an asshole because he is not making a valid point. They, just like you, are merely repeating the same old tired argument. It's annoying, and if not flat-out trolling it aint far from it.


We keep repeating the argument because you haven't successfully refuted it. You just keep calling it "theft" when it isn't, and call people assholes when they don't agree with you.

downtownkid: Now we've played your little game and we are back where we started, which is with you taking something that doesn't belong to you. And keeping money out of my pocket. But not stealing, oh no. Now go have a cookie.


So what does "ownership" of an idea or concept actually mean anyway? Once someone comes up with a new idea, aren't we all entitled to use it? That's how humanity has progressed throughout the past 10,000 years. The first guy to use a wheel doesn't "own" the idea of wheels. We all do. Can you imagine where we'd be if everyone had to license the use of wheels? We'd be farking crippled.

Having said that, the guy who sits down and works out all those details for a new concept certainly deserves something for his work. That was the original intent behind copyright laws. It gives the person who did the work a slight advantage and a period of time where he's the only one able to profit from it.

Unfortunately this has come to be taken to mean "I thought of something once and should receive compensation for the rest of eternity. My children and grandchildren should never have to work." This of course is ridiculous. You can't milk your one idea for ever.

Instead of encouraging people to come up with new ideas, it does the opposite and stifles creativity.

Nevermind that everyone gets inspiration from something that already exists, and that was someone else's idea in the first place. Think you're being original? You're not. You "stole" (your word, remember) other people's ideas and modified them to suit your own ends.

So if you want to continue making money off making movies, then get off your farking ass and make something new. You're lazy and looking for a free ride, and you won't get any sympathy from me.

But you'll probably call me a troll and an asshole and continue believing we all owe you something for work your did once, years ago.
 
2012-01-20 01:45:38 PM  

Heron: jakomo002: FTA; "You can complain and say, well, actors make a lot of money and they don't have to worry about this," said Dodd. "You tell that to that camera guy, you tell that to that makeup artist, you tell that to that truck driver out there who made, makes a living because they work in this industry.

Hey Dodd, the makeup artist and the truck driver GET PAID whether the movie is a stinker or an Oscar contender. As soon as shooting wraps, they cash their final paycheck and then move on to the next production. Same thing for the actors. Maybe 0.1% of actors actually get a cut of the box office receipts.

The people who DO suffer are the people who get a percentage of the box office. Like the producers, the studio, sometimes the director. The guys who pony up the original dough to get the movie off the ground.

And, uh, they can afford it. And if they can't, and a studio goes out of business, everyone good moves over to other studios and the show goes on.

I mean, these aren't doctors, they're not saving lives or anything, they're trying (with varying degrees of success) to ENTERTAIN people and make money off it.

Movie funding is pretty murky, actually. I don't know anything about it firsthand, admittedly, but I read this article awhile back arguing that, basically, the studios themselves don't really lose anything on a movie, ever; due to getting their funding primarily from Wall Street via loans, a robust system of tax deductions, and esoteric budgeting practices, movies are pretty much pure profit paid for with other peoples' money. So good or bad, hit or flop, the production houses make money off of them, and "piracy" doesn't really impact that in any way.


So, basically "The Producers" was more "meta" than I realized?...
 
2012-01-20 01:49:20 PM  

BurnShrike: downtownkid: fracto73: Have you put in a claim with your insurance company?


Oh I see, you're just an asshole. Sorry for bothering with you.

So someone makes a valid point, and rather than responding, you call them an asshole?

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Piracy is not stealing because no one is taking anything away from you. They're just not giving you something you feel you deserve. That's not theft.


Sorry, as much as I think that the industry brings piracy on themselves, this is ridiculous. Someone provides a service, sets a fee, and you make use of service without paying that fee, you are stealing that service, whether it is entertainment, electricity, internet service or cable TV. Merely saying 'It isn't stealing' doesn't make it true.

If they REALLY want to fix this attitude, they should take 2 years off. Everyone in the entertainment industry. NO books, music, movies, TV shows, software of ANY kind, nothing for 2 years. Go black and see how many people think that these aren't desired services by the general public. Just because it doesn't fit into YOUR definition of "work", doesn't mean that it isn't. People are providing a service, you use it, they get to charge you for it.

Pricing/return policies and overall quality led me to pirate video games for years, but I was definitely taking something for free that I was getting at least some enjoyment or use out of, that was never in debate.

At least I am honest enough with myself to admit that.
 
2012-01-20 01:53:02 PM  

Mikey1969: If they REALLY want to fix this attitude, they should take 2 years off. Everyone in the entertainment industry. NO books, music, movies, TV shows, software of ANY kind, nothing for 2 years. Go black and see how many people think that these aren't desired services by the general public. Just because it doesn't fit into YOUR definition of "work", doesn't mean that it isn't. People are providing a service, you use it, they get to charge you for it.


People like Louie C.K. and bands like Radiohead would be more than happy to soak up all those dollars.
 
2012-01-20 01:53:19 PM  
downtownkid: You actually couldn't be more wrong. Plenty of below-the-line workers receive residuals. EVERY actor you see on screen does, and 98% of them aren't movie stars. They depend on residual payments to pay their bills. Assistant directors, production managers, location managers, even the technical unions all receive some form of compensation based on the profits of the works they help create.

False. While actors might get some residuals, in most cases, it's just them and the producers (production company). Maybe the DP or something, too, if he's a big name and has a good agent negotiating his contract.

But what the fark do I know, having sold 7 movie scripts to different studios over the last 12 years. IF you negotiate a contract that includes residuals, money gets taken out of your front-end paycheck. You sacrifice the short-term for the possibility of long-term.

Because, and this may be a shock to you, the studios are interested in PROFIT. So they'll cut as much pre-production and production money as they can, starting with the actual workers on the film.

It's the whole reason why Hollywood is littered with unions and guilds. To the production companies, it has nothing to do with art, or hard work, it's PROFIT.
 
2012-01-20 01:53:46 PM  

CeroX: downtownkid: Tell you what, fracto and burn shrike. Feel free to pop back into any of the multitudes of old threads on this same topic. You can re-read all the times people like yourselves justify taking something that doesn't belong to you, and go through the many little verbal dodges you use, and wind up at the VERY same place we are now, which is you taking something that doesn't belong to you. As I said, boring.

now, to take the role of the devil's advocate and justify the piracy

I buy a dvd: $20
I bought a computer to rip the dvd: $1000
I buy a broadband internet connection: $75/month

With open source software i take 2 hours to rip a DVD
since my time at work is worth $15/hour then my time anywhere is worth $15/hour

So ripping DVD = $30

Now, at this stage i'm not yet a pirate, but I'm about to become one:

I create a torrent from said movie i ripped
then i begin free distribution of said movie
I allow 500K bandwidth on my movie for distribution
at roughly 4 gigs, it takes me 4 hours per distribution per customer
Since my time is worth $30, that's $120 per customer per download

Now, as a distributor i'm not gainfully making any money, but the total cost for my time and effort and equipment to distribute my movie is roughly $1245 for my first movie... the cost eventually whittles down to about $150 per month at 1 movie distribution per month.

And your movie is reaching more people than had i not put forth all that cost, time and work to distribute it.

I've bought the product, and i've decided to go into the charity distribution business with no expectation of compensation for my distribution efforts


For the record, the only thing i've downloaded are foreign TV shows i can't get here in america... though thankfully BBC started showing their stuff online, so i've got no use for that now either...

/Sherlock is magnificent, but the seasons are only 3 episodes each!


You got screwed on that computer, BTW...

And even though your time at work is worth $15/hr, your time sitting on your ass at home is worth zero.
 
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