make me some tea: This is insane.

Er, this might be a repeat. I'd have to check my recent items but I'm too lazy.

make me some tea: netweavr: make me some tea: This is insane.

Er, this might be a repeat. I'd have to check my recent items but I'm too lazy.

Thanks for the link btw, even if it's a repeat. This stuff needs to hit the spotlight.

Also I'm on fire today. Four greens in one day. That's a new record. :)

Awesome, congratulations.

Yeah, instead of changing your business plan and adapting the change you should just go about buying off politicians and strong arming your way to profits even though your business model is horribly outdated.

/Can't wait until the old people die off

The Empire is striking back.

Blues_X: So, can Britain have me extradited for owning a gun that would be illegal there?

Only if it is also illegal where you live.

FTA: Part II of the controversial Extradition Act 2003, has a 'dual criminality' requirement. This procedural step requires conduct to be a criminal offence in both the UK and the US.

Judge Purdy was satisfied that the alleged conduct was a chargeable criminal offence in the UK, namely s107 (2A) of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

So he was (arguably) breaking British law, too. I agree, the hook upon which U.S. jurisdiction is hung is pretty scant, but it's not like the U.S. is prosecuting him for conduct that was legal in Britain and only illegal in the U.S.

Extradition issues aside (and I realize that's a BIG aside), isn't this exactly the sort of targeted enforcement that the OPEN proponents are favoring?

improvius: Extradition issues aside (and I realize that's a BIG aside), isn't this exactly the sort of targeted enforcement that the OPEN proponents are favoring?

They may say they favor targeted enforcement but what they really want is to be free to pirate and the end of copyrightism.

Blues_X: So, can Britain have me extradited for owning a gun that would be illegal there?

Well, I think the logic was that he was serving customers (I guess getting ad revenue? I'm not familiar with the site) in the US, facilitating law-breaking here. So more like requesting the extradition of someone involved in international mail fraud from a country where the mailings don't constitute fraud necessarily.

Once your service crosses international borders, both nations have some claim to jurisdiction, albeit generally the one you're not living/based in can only exercise it if the one you are based in agrees to let them have you.

Basically, it doesn't really seem like this is quite as arbitrary as your hypothetical example. IP law has always not been entirely consistent as far as international companies are concerned, there have been other cases where the RIAA/MPAA, especially, have gotten requests filed to allow them to sue/prosecute internationally and they've been politely told where to shove it.

One US scientist in Antarctica filed his taxes as exempt claiming he "lived outside the US for more then 6 months of the year"
They denied his exemption and charged him for back taxes for the year.

IN ANTARCTICA the 58th state

meat0918: I wonder who lucky number 3 will be?

Will TPB server locations being found be the next big announcement?

The people behind Megaupload were arrested in New Zealand today.

At least it's extradition and trial. Soon it will be rendition and GITMO.

Norv Turner: /Can't wait until the old people die off

To be fair to the old people, by the time the current ones are dead and we can have nuclear power, sensible IP law, and so on, there's going to be a new crop of whippersnappers mad at us for not approving uplift-bestiality marriage, home-console-based direct memory implantation from the hypernet, and clone snuff films.

//And I'm sure we'll be the same mix of reasonably cautious over ramifications and outright wrong.

Summer Glau's Love Slave: The Empire is striking back.

Jim_Callahan: clone snuff films

Wow, just wow.

Moral of the story: If you don't want to be arrested by the American government, use .co.uk (or whatever) as opposed to .net or .com.

We are the Empire.
You will obey.

make me some tea: This is insane.

Laws were broken, citizen.
Move along.

HotIgneous Intruder: make me some tea: This is insane.

Laws were broken, citizen.
Move along.

So you're fine with youtube being shut down? So much of that site is copyrighted shiat too.

Seth'n'Spectrum: Jim_Callahan: clone snuff films

Wow, just wow.

Meh, it really is not all that is cracked up to be. You get bord of the whole thing after about the 5th straight hour of watching.

Seth'n'Spectrum: Jim_Callahan: clone snuff films

Wow, just wow.

I'd like to take personal credit for that paragraph, but honestly I just read a lot of Science Fiction. It likes to posit strange potential social trends based on potential scientific developments.

I totally failed to cry or mourn the Dear Leaders passing.

Will they extradite me to North Korea now?


/Actually I cheered and raised a glass.......

The internet will win.

thisispete: meat0918: I wonder who lucky number 3 will be?

Will TPB server locations being found be the next big announcement?

The people behind Megaupload were arrested in New Zealand today.

That's crazy, I guess Rapidshare will be next to go?

change1211: thisispete: meat0918: I wonder who lucky number 3 will be?

Will TPB server locations being found be the next big announcement?

The people behind Megaupload were arrested in New Zealand today.

That's crazy, I guess Rapidshare will be next to go?

If it's not US-based, they'll shut it down.

Ya know, Trent Reznor's Year Zero (new window) alternative reality game was only meant to be a game. Not a suggestion.

Copyright law for the most part is governed internationally by a series of treaties. Thus, an author (creator) of a work typically only needs to register it in one country and can enforce it in countries which recognize the registration. This is not uncommon. It also predates the internet by about 130 yrs or more. But hey, why let things like facts and laws get in the way of a good rant?

netweavr: change1211: thisispete: meat0918: I wonder who lucky number 3 will be?

Will TPB server locations being found be the next big announcement?

The people behind Megaupload were arrested in New Zealand today.

That's crazy, I guess Rapidshare will be next to go?

If it's not US-based, they'll shut it down.

They will try.

Uzzah: Blues_X: So, can Britain have me extradited for owning a gun that would be illegal there?

Only if it is also illegal where you live.

FTA: Part II of the controversial Extradition Act 2003, has a 'dual criminality' requirement. This procedural step requires conduct to be a criminal offence in both the UK and the US.

Judge Purdy was satisfied that the alleged conduct was a chargeable criminal offence in the UK, namely s107 (2A) of the Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988.

So he was (arguably) breaking British law, too. I agree, the hook upon which U.S. jurisdiction is hung is pretty scant, but it's not like the U.S. is prosecuting him for conduct that was legal in Britain and only illegal in the U.S.

The US took this sort of action against people who ran betting websites from Europe. Even though it is perfectly legal where they were based the US had the British boss arrested. Link

He hadn't broken any laws in the UK. But the US decided they had jurisdiction over his company.

12349876: HotIgneous Intruder: make me some tea: This is insane.

Laws were broken, citizen.
Move along.

So you're fine with youtube being shut down? So much of that site is copyrighted shiat too.

Provided they conform to certain standards, like taking down infringing material when notified of its presence, sites like YouTube are ostensibly protected by the 'safe harbor' provisions of the DMCA. Google/YouTube actually just won a district court case to that effect; it's on appeal, but the 9th circuit will most likely uphold the lower court.

Civil Discourse: 12349876: HotIgneous Intruder: make me some tea: This is insane.

Laws were broken, citizen.
Move along.

So you're fine with youtube being shut down? So much of that site is copyrighted shiat too.

Provided they conform to certain standards, like taking down infringing material when notified of its presence, sites like YouTube are ostensibly protected by the 'safe harbor' provisions of the DMCA. Google/YouTube actually just won a district court case to that effect; it's on appeal, but the 9th circuit will most likely uphold the lower court.

MegaUpload did comply with take-down requests.

lawboy87: Copyright law for the most part is governed internationally by a series of treaties. Thus, an author (creator) of a work typically only needs to register it in one country and can enforce it in countries which recognize the registration. This is not uncommon. It also predates the internet by about 130 yrs or more. But hey, why let things like facts and laws get in the way of a good rant?

That would be a great point if someone was arguing that the copyright wasn't recognized in the UK, we aren't.


If what he did was a crime in the UK he should be tried in the UK, since he did it in the UK. If it wasn't a crime there is no reason to extradite him.

So wait, if the US is doing this now... Then why SOPA? I must be missing something here.

Wonder how long it'll be before they go after [name of UK Web site where I can watch NFL games that aren't being shown in my area redacted].

thisispete: meat0918: I wonder who lucky number 3 will be?

Will TPB server locations being found be the next big announcement?

The people behind Megaupload were arrested in New Zealand today.

I hear they even arrested the graphic designer. The graphic designer.

Veloram: So wait, if the US is doing this now... Then why SOPA? I must be missing something here.

So they can do it without due process.

ICE has already pulled the domain name from TVShack a number of times -- The site kept changing countries, and finally changed the domain name to TVSearch.co. It's currently offline yet again.

Pichu0102: Veloram: So wait, if the US is doing this now... Then why SOPA? I must be missing something here.

More power is wanted than their current ability. Also, retaliation for the blackout and daring to tell your congressperson how you want them to vote without bringing a suitcase full of cash.

Got it. Still don't hate this ship. Just the asshats at the helm.

Interesting. I wonder if this is why the US decided to indict and shut down MegaUpload.

Er, I wonder if this is related to why the US decided to indict and shut down MegaUpload.

/need to learn to actually use preview...