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2012-01-19 07:04:15 PM
In other words, Xvideos is still there.
 
2012-01-19 07:05:28 PM

Scrotastic Method: That's what I did, with the part you didn't quote: explain why the thing I was responding to was wrong.


Well for starters you're a huge douchebag. Secondly, you're too stupid to realize you proved my point.

If you can't figure that out, I'm not going to be able to help you.
 
2012-01-19 07:07:45 PM

CygnusDarius: netweavr: CygnusDarius: Ok, so if the US government is doing this, what happens when another country begins doing the opposite in response to SOPA/PIPA?.

Like who?

Mexico, or in my case, my state. They just passed a law that gives citizens the 'right of connectivity', this means that, if you post something on the internet, you have the right to keep it there; it cannot be taken down because it could be considered 'censorship'. It's something along those lines, and it might not be anti-SOPA, but with enough arguments, you could turn it into that.


That's not a service that competes with a US corporation. The US won't care. If a Mexican company created a service that provided online backups or online media storage, the US would have it shut down.

epoc_tnac: netweavr: It's not private corporations. It's US-corporations. If you provide a service that US corporations compete with, you will be taken down.

It's not just US corporations though, it's the media corporations from all major Western nations that back this kind of crap. The point is that they were never elected to be law makers or law enforcers, and yet governments are allowing them to be just that.

I'm honestly surprised that the first internet war is being fought over something as petty as this, I figured it would be a war on free speech. But here we are, fighting over the right to watch stuff online that we could just as easily watch on TV.


It's not a war. It's anonymous. They'll DDOS the hell out of those sites for a few days, then get bored and go back to DDOSing each other.

"Copyright violations" are just the excuse, the reason is MegaUpload was competing with US companies. US companies got MegaUpload put out of business.

If Baidu wasn't in China, we'd have shut it down by now for "linking to copyrighted material"
 
2012-01-19 07:08:38 PM
However, They already had beef with MU, even before the blackout. So it might be more like the Napster issue.
 
2012-01-19 07:08:47 PM

CygnusDarius: In other words, Xvideos is still there.


And based in the US.
 
2012-01-19 07:09:48 PM
I can't be anti-SOPA and anti-PIPA and also be against illegal piracy?

Guess what subby and others many many people still think piracy shouldn't be legal but that SOPA and PIPA were dumb.
 
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2012-01-19 07:10:06 PM

r1niceboy: Not impossible, just difficult. That's the best you can do for any law. Make the DVD producer the authorized user and the viewer unauthorized. A bit like system32 files in windows, there are some things that can't be changed unless you go through some serious steps. It can be done, but it's a hell of a hassle. With mp3 files, are you really going to go through all that for every track on a Katy Perry release?


DVDs are encrypted with the keys embedded in the players. How well that work out for ya?
 
2012-01-19 07:10:34 PM

Bonkthat_Again: This is a good thing. It's an example of how law enforcement already has the tools to combat piracy. This is a win for all SOPA opposers.


AGREED!
 
2012-01-19 07:13:20 PM

sarah_t_s: If MU complied with every DMCA takedown request they were sent then I honestly don't see the problem with them.


As mentioned above, they are foreign and compete competently with US services. Even worse, they're *free*. farking blasphemy right there.
Also, said US services are provided by corporate content owners, the single most important group that Congress are sworn to protect and serve and propel against all others.
 
2012-01-19 07:13:45 PM

Corvus: I can't be anti-SOPA and anti-PIPA and also be against illegal piracy?

Guess what subby and others many many people still think piracy shouldn't be legal but that SOPA and PIPA were dumb.


Sure you can.

For example, I like Warhammer 40k, but I think the price on their minis is insane, so I may have bought some of their miniatures, but I downloaded their rulebook.

Whereas, I also love Warmachine, and their prices are fair and their minis are also good quality. So I bought some of their minis and the rulebook (soft cover).
 
2012-01-19 07:14:16 PM

CygnusDarius: However, They already had beef with MU, even before the blackout. So it might be more like the Napster issue.


The RIAA already illegally used DMCA takedowns to try and kill the MegaSong. MU just announced that they were going to compete with conventional publishers by allowing artists to self-publish and keep the majority of the profits. I'm sure this has nothing at all to do with that.

Nothing at all.
 
2012-01-19 07:14:50 PM

netweavr: CygnusDarius: In other words, Xvideos is still there.

And based in the US.


That I didn't know.
 
2012-01-19 07:16:27 PM

netweavr: That's not a service that competes with a US corporation. The US won't care. If a Mexican company created a service that provided online backups or online media storage, the US would have it shut down.


MegaUpload is used by tons of independent and label-free artists and developers and, well, people.

By that nature, they are competing with multimedia conglomerates. They are facilitating alternative sources of media and art (and worse, sources that aren't created by corporations!) and that's farking against the rules.

Corvus: AGREED!


It also shows that the current tools are overpowered and overreaching and need to be completely dismantled and purged. This company (supposedly and most likely) complied with takedown requests.
 
2012-01-19 07:16:51 PM

Emposter: CygnusDarius: However, They already had beef with MU, even before the blackout. So it might be more like the Napster issue.

The RIAA already illegally used DMCA takedowns to try and kill the MegaSong. MU just announced that they were going to compete with conventional publishers by allowing artists to self-publish and keep the majority of the profits. I'm sure this has nothing at all to do with that.

Nothing at all.


I heard they also were going to do the same with Grooveshark, even if they only offer radio service.
 
2012-01-19 07:17:04 PM

Jim_Callahan: Look, if this was a news aggregator or a blog service or something getting shut down for a tangental link to piracy I'd be readying the torches and pitchforks right by you, subby. But... megaupload? Come the fark on.

An anti-SOPA advocate getting upset about this would be like a second-amendment advocate getting upset at the confiscation of the gun of a man in the middle of a shooting spree. We're upset about SOPA because it's designed to punish people that aren't actually stealing content, the people that are stealing content (99+% of what megaupload does) don't get a single tear when they're shut down.

The basic illegality of copyright infringement is fine, no one really debates copyright itself being a thing.


I've downloadedonly legal files from Megaupload. If you notice, they actually had distribution deals with content creators AND complied with takedown requests. In addition this is a non-us company run by all non-US citizens.

I'd say this is a PERFECT site to defend. This looks very much like a collusion between industry and the US government to go after a competitor.
 
2012-01-19 07:17:59 PM

CygnusDarius: netweavr: CygnusDarius: In other words, Xvideos is still there.

And based in the US.

That I didn't know.


Any online service you use is probably based in the US, Russia, or China. All others are getting shut down as fast as the US can push stuff through international courts.

FirstRowSports will probably be next (if I'm a betting man).
 
2012-01-19 07:20:06 PM

Jim_Callahan: Look, if this was a news aggregator or a blog service or something getting shut down for a tangental link to piracy I'd be readying the torches and pitchforks right by you, subby. But... megaupload? Come the fark on.


First they came for MegaUpload, and I didn't speak out because I didn't use MegaUpload...
 
2012-01-19 07:22:05 PM

tomcatadam: MegaUpload is used by tons of independent and label-free artists and developers and, well, people.

By that nature, they are competing with multimedia conglomerates. They are facilitating alternative sources of media and art (and worse, sources that aren't created by corporations!) and that's farking against the rules.


From what I know, Trent Reznor left the record company that he was working with because of related reasons. Now his records are online, for free (sometimes). I wonder what he thinks of this.
 
2012-01-19 07:28:02 PM
So, if they're doing this, how will this affect the Deep Web?.
 
2012-01-19 07:30:43 PM
From the Dept. of Justice's Twitter:

» TheJusticeDept
...which is being treated as a malicious act until we can fully identify the root cause of the disruption.
» TheJusticeDept
The department is working to ensure the website is available while we investigate the origins of this activity...
13 minutes ago
» TheJusticeDept
The DOJ web server hosting http://justice.gov is experiencing a significant increase in activity, resulting in a degradation in service.
14 minutes ago

LMAO
 
2012-01-19 07:31:42 PM

CygnusDarius: So, if they're doing this, how will this affect the Deep Web?.


Probably won't, I mean that's too small to really compete. That's like the drug dealer on the corner versus the guy who owns a pot-store.

One gets raided, the other gets harassed by police whenever they get too bored.
 
2012-01-19 07:32:36 PM

scottydoesntknow: From the Dept. of Justice's Twitter:

» TheJusticeDept
...which is being treated as a malicious act until we can fully identify the root cause of the disruption.
» TheJusticeDept
The department is working to ensure the website is available while we investigate the origins of this activity...
13 minutes ago
» TheJusticeDept
The DOJ web server hosting http://justice.gov is experiencing a significant increase in activity, resulting in a degradation in service.
14 minutes ago

LMAO


War has begun..
 
2012-01-19 07:33:36 PM
Again, when has DDOS'n ever achieved anything?

Well besides S2 being forced to upgrade equipment.
 
2012-01-19 07:34:57 PM

netweavr: Again, when has DDOS'n ever achieved anything?

Well besides S2 being forced to upgrade equipment.


Again, DDoSing isn't the only thing Anon is doing right now
 
2012-01-19 07:35:17 PM

MrEricSir: Scrotastic Method: That's what I did, with the part you didn't quote: explain why the thing I was responding to was wrong.

Well for starters you're a huge douchebag. Secondly, you're too stupid to realize you proved my point.

If you can't figure that out, I'm not going to be able to help you.


You said sit/lie would mean the arrest of kids that stopped to eat ice cream, or some such nonsense, I'm not going back to look up your exact words. I explained why that's wrong, and why that false claim, and many like it, were made oh-so-loudly by so many look-how-left-I-am kids.

You were wrong in what you said. You're either honestly wrong, which means you're too stupid to grasp that "enforcing the rules of public space and establishing a punishment for breaking them" is not the same as "no stopping anywhere," or you're arguing a point you know to be false just to get an emotional response...or maybe you're too lazy to care and are spouting the rhetoric of the uninformed, pseudo-progressive. You tell me which it is so we can move on.

This is a SOPA thread: just as piracy remains illegal whether or not SOPA passes, it's illegal to sleep on a sidewalk whether or not a city passes a sit/lie ordinance. In your own words dude, If you can't figure that out, I'm not going to be able to help you.
 
2012-01-19 07:36:09 PM
Latest - NZ police say when they arrived this morning, Dotcom's bodyguards wouldn't let them in. That is SO New Zealand.
 
2012-01-19 07:36:48 PM

netweavr: CygnusDarius: So, if they're doing this, how will this affect the Deep Web?.

Probably won't, I mean that's too small to really compete. That's like the drug dealer on the corner versus the guy who owns a pot-store.


images.wikia.com
 
2012-01-19 07:39:23 PM

netweavr: Again, when has DDOS'n ever achieved anything?

Well besides S2 being forced to upgrade equipment.


DDOS attacks can do significant financial damage to companies that rely on their websites being operational 24/7. And besides, anonymous has been more known for things like stealing and releasing information.
 
2012-01-19 07:40:26 PM
ftfa: "a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone"

who would have known that you can make so much money by enabling the legal transfer of content.
 
2012-01-19 07:41:47 PM
Read up. This was a revenge from Universal.
Few months ago, several celebrities were guests in a music video that promoted Megaupload. Universal, tho who these celebrities were contractually binded, didn't seem to like it and they filed a DMCA for the video clip to be taken down. Megaupload then countered with a lawsuit. And this is what happened next. I hope when this shiat gets cleared up, Megaupload sues Universal for all they're worth.
 
2012-01-19 07:41:54 PM
Anon is tearing shiat up.. There is a big part of me that loves the fact the Government has zero authority on the internet and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.
 
2012-01-19 07:42:42 PM

MrEricSir: Well for starters you're a huge douchebag.


HAHAHAHA, I just looked at your profile and went to your stupid website. Now I know why you're pissed at me -- you really are a whiny, fake intellectual, probably-fixie-riding Mission hipster piece of crap. I'm the douchbag because I nailed your "politically aware sensitive guy" costume -- I mean, wardrobe -- in my Boobies.

You really don't know what you're talking about with sit/lie because you think anything that could be against junkies and homeless is necessarily, what, the white power structure taking away freedom from the minorities? Sit/lie was a response to a problem. It was a cry for help from the merchants of Haight, lower/mid Market, Union Square, and elsewhere.

Meanwhile, have fun stepping over piss next time you get off at 16th and Mission. I hope your V-neck adequately shows off the upper-chest tattoo you got and the nautical star on your elbow.
 
2012-01-19 07:43:34 PM

netweavr: CygnusDarius: netweavr: CygnusDarius: In other words, Xvideos is still there.

And based in the US.

That I didn't know.

Any online service you use is probably based in the US, Russia, or China. All others are getting shut down as fast as the US can push stuff through international courts.

FirstRowSports will probably be next (if I'm a betting man).


Oh, dear god, please no...
 
2012-01-19 07:44:00 PM
I hate that the phrase "Boobies" turns into the word "boobies."
 
2012-01-19 07:44:23 PM

epoc_tnac: netweavr: Again, when has DDOS'n ever achieved anything?

Well besides S2 being forced to upgrade equipment.

DDOS attacks can do significant financial damage to companies that rely on their websites being operational 24/7. And besides, anonymous has been more known for things like stealing and releasing information.


I don't think the DOJ's finances are related to how well their website performs.

Besides, they will just get more money to beef up their infrastructure. Paid for by the 50% of the households that pay taxes...and some more Chinese debt.
 
2012-01-19 07:45:59 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: ftfa: "a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone"

who would have known that you can make so much money by enabling the legal transfer of content.


Well, Google, Amazon, Apple, and Microsoft for some...
 
2012-01-19 07:46:18 PM

TV's Vinnie: Read up. This was a revenge from Universal.
Few months ago, several celebrities were guests in a music video that promoted Megaupload. Universal, tho who these celebrities were contractually binded, didn't seem to like it and they filed a DMCA for the video clip to be taken down. Megaupload then countered with a lawsuit. And this is what happened next. I hope when this shiat gets cleared up, Megaupload sues Universal for all they're worth.


Sue Universal for what? In your example, the celebrities were under contract with Universal and Megaupload tried to capitalize on that and failed.
 
2012-01-19 07:48:22 PM

netweavr: tenpoundsofcheese: ftfa: "a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone"

who would have known that you can make so much money by enabling the legal transfer of content.

Well, Google, Amazon, Apple, and Microsoft for some...


Yeah, weird that you actually have to BUY things from Amazon and Apple and Microsoft for them to make money. That is bizarre.
 
2012-01-19 07:49:33 PM
And down goes fbi.gov hahaha
 
2012-01-19 07:50:09 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: netweavr: tenpoundsofcheese: ftfa: "a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the site in 2010 alone"

who would have known that you can make so much money by enabling the legal transfer of content.

Well, Google, Amazon, Apple, and Microsoft for some...

Yeah, weird that you actually have to BUY things from Amazon and Apple and Microsoft for them to make money. That is bizarre.


Yeah, YouTube costs a ton to use but it's worth it.
 
2012-01-19 07:51:02 PM
Americans just hate that they might have to pay for stuff that other people made.

/Sense of entitlement, how does it work
 
2012-01-19 07:52:23 PM

styckx: And down goes fbi.gov hahaha


I can see it :l .
 
2012-01-19 07:52:40 PM

HotIgneous Intruder: Americans just hate that they might have to pay for stuff that other people made.

/Sense of entitlement, how does it work


Has nothing to do with that.. It has to do with the fact a sole individual can be held accountable for user generated content. On the grounds that megaupload was taken down, technically they could do the same tomorrow to Youtube..
 
2012-01-19 07:52:47 PM

styckx: And down goes fbi.gov hahaha


This is all pretty funny until Obama uses his Internet Kill Switch.

/Then it's Chinese Democracy and Axl Rose was a prophet.
 
2012-01-19 07:53:04 PM

styckx: fbi.gov


That's funny, seems to be functioning on my end.
 
2012-01-19 07:54:44 PM

Rockstone: styckx: fbi.gov

That's funny, seems to be functioning on my end.


Not on mine. Strange. Perhaps it is because of my works crappy internet speed.
 
2012-01-19 07:55:14 PM

styckx: Anon is tearing shiat up.. There is a big part of me that loves the fact the Government has zero authority on the internet and there isn't a damn thing they can do about it.


Well, that's why they're passing laws. It's taken way longer than I thought it would. The internet is a powerful tool for everyone, and the spread of information online makes censorship basically impossible. Just imagine, 20 years ago, information was conveyed either by word of mouth or through the media. Now we can co-ordinate with anyone in the world instantly.

And given the speed at which governments in the West are screwing us over financially, all they have to rely on is our not giving a fark. Which has worked extremely well - so far. But things can only get so bad before people stop going to TMZ and start wondering what they can do to help themselves.

OWS was a precursor to how people will react when things get worse - this time around it was limited to a bunch of stupid hippies and a handful of people that genuinely understand the problems we face, but next time there will be more people that are genuinely upset who can't be dissuaded by sport or celebrity gossip. And they will all be able to co-ordinate online. Unless..... the government cripples the forums for public discussion.
 
2012-01-19 07:55:23 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: TV's Vinnie: Read up. This was a revenge from Universal.
Few months ago, several celebrities were guests in a music video that promoted Megaupload. Universal, tho who these celebrities were contractually binded, didn't seem to like it and they filed a DMCA for the video clip to be taken down. Megaupload then countered with a lawsuit. And this is what happened next. I hope when this shiat gets cleared up, Megaupload sues Universal for all they're worth.

Sue Universal for what? In your example, the celebrities were under contract with Universal and Megaupload tried to capitalize on that and failed.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP

Seem like decent places to start.
 
2012-01-19 07:59:05 PM

ProfessorOhki: tenpoundsofcheese: TV's Vinnie: Read up. This was a revenge from Universal.
Few months ago, several celebrities were guests in a music video that promoted Megaupload. Universal, tho who these celebrities were contractually binded, didn't seem to like it and they filed a DMCA for the video clip to be taken down. Megaupload then countered with a lawsuit. And this is what happened next. I hope when this shiat gets cleared up, Megaupload sues Universal for all they're worth.

Sue Universal for what? In your example, the celebrities were under contract with Universal and Megaupload tried to capitalize on that and failed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malicious_prosecution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SLAPP

Seem like decent places to start.


Are you serious? Enforcing a contract and the economic interests of that contract is hardly malicious prosecution nor a SLAPP worthy claim.

Or do you think that if an actor is under contract with a company that you or the actor can just ignore that?
 
2012-01-19 07:59:27 PM

epoc_tnac: Gonz: OK, lete make sure I'm clear here: Megaupload- a site known primarily for hosting copyrighted material (prawns, mainly) got shut down, and people are saying it's the end of Fair Use, because 1 file out of 100 on that site is an open-source project that the writer didn't post to SourceForge?

I want an open Internet. I also dislike piracy. Some of y'all really are coming across like people who only care about getting a product that would normally cost you money for free. MegaUpload isn't exactly the poster child for a legal Internet business.

Listen, I don't doubt that megaupload represents the scuzzy side of the internet. But seeing as they were complying with DCMA requests, which is actually all they are legally required to do, they have been shut down illegitimately and inconsistently.

We are not talking about a civil suit being filed here, which would be far more reasonable and would probably have the desired effect, the FBI just pulled this site without warning, and told the NZ government to put these guys in handcuffs, for committing a 'crime' that thousands of other websites are equally guilty of.

Likewise, the founder of TVshack just a few days ago lost his appeal not to be extradited from the UK to the US for hosting a site that linked to copyrighted content. Google is equally guilty of this 'crime', yet for some reason I don't expect to see the owners of Google in the back of a cop car any time soon.

The point is that this is unfairly targeting websites that private corporations have a beef with. And that is very unhealthy for democracy and justice.

 
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