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2012-01-19 03:18:41 PM
img.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-19 03:20:24 PM
Yep, piracy is already illegal.
 
2012-01-19 03:20:27 PM
1 down.. 34802375280658023474091387409321 to go!
 
2012-01-19 03:21:24 PM

Pawn takes the King: 1 down.. 34802375280658023474091387409321 to go!


A competent villain would say "Damn, you got us" and then quietly go back to downloading My Little Pony porn.
 
2012-01-19 03:23:08 PM
Admittedly, this headline is better than mine
 
2012-01-19 03:25:08 PM

the_sidewinder: Admittedly, this headline is better than mine


Mine was the "Feds blow a load" one.

Guess this will be the "example" due to all the SOPA hate from yesterday.
 
2012-01-19 03:28:36 PM

Pawn takes the King: Guess this will be the "example" due to all the SOPA hate from yesterday.


The example that they don't need SOPA to do their job and that it was unnecessary, overreaching, bad legislation?
 
2012-01-19 03:29:21 PM

James!: Yep, piracy is already illegal.


The only issue I can see is that MU is not made for piracy any more than bittorrent is, and the site owners claim that they have followed every DMCA takedown request

So we might have to wait for more details to emerge to see if this was warranted or not

/Bonus, site's owner's last name is Dotcom
 
2012-01-19 03:29:45 PM
hmm, perhaps they should have set up an eight proxy
 
2012-01-19 03:34:24 PM

Flab:

The example that they don't need SOPA to do their job and that it was unnecessary, overreaching, bad legislation?


No I get we don't need it, I'm say for politicians to point at MU to the general masses that don't & go "SEE?? THIS IS WHY YOU NEED THIS!!"
 
2012-01-19 03:34:42 PM

the_sidewinder: James!: Yep, piracy is already illegal.

The only issue I can see is that MU is not made for piracy any more than bittorrent is, and the site owners claim that they have followed every DMCA takedown request

So we might have to wait for more details to emerge to see if this was warranted or not

/Bonus, site's owner's last name is Dotcom


pregnantcornbread.com

They at least will have their day in court.
 
2012-01-19 03:39:33 PM

James!: Yep, piracy is already illegal.


The problem is not everything on Megaupload is piracy. If you agree with this then you must also agree Youtube should be taken off the internet and Fark should be taken off the internet....because you know all those funny pictures people post? They're copyrighted.
 
2012-01-19 03:45:53 PM

Pawn takes the King: I'm say for politicians to point at MU to the general masses that don't & go "SEE?? THIS IS WHY YOU NEED THIS!!"


Then people only need to retort: "They used existing laws to take down a site, therefore we don't need more laws, but more efficient enforcement of existing laws?"
 
2012-01-19 03:46:40 PM

Walker: James!: Yep, piracy is already illegal.

The problem is not everything on Megaupload is piracy. If you agree with this then you must also agree Youtube should be taken off the internet and Fark should be taken off the internet....because you know all those funny pictures people post? They're copyrighted.


I'm not making the argument you're fighting against.
 
2012-01-19 03:48:13 PM
I think the lesson here is simple. Don't store ANYTHING on US servers. Give foreign companies your business.
 
2012-01-19 03:49:07 PM

Flab:
Then people only need to retort: "They used existing laws to take down a site, therefore we don't need more laws, but more efficient enforcement of existing laws?"


Yeah, it's a fine line though between that..

Walker:

The problem is not everything on Megaupload is piracy. If you agree with this then you must also agree Youtube should be taken off the internet and Fark should be taken off the internet....because you know all those funny pictures people post? They're copyrighted.


and this.
 
2012-01-19 04:09:17 PM

Walker: James!: Yep, piracy is already illegal.

The problem is not everything on Megaupload is piracy. If you agree with this then you must also agree Youtube should be taken off the internet and Fark should be taken off the internet....because you know all those funny pictures people post? They're copyrighted.


wonkroom.thinkprogress.org
 
j4x
2012-01-19 04:14:51 PM

dahmers love zombie: I think the lesson here is simple. Don't store ANYTHING on US servers. Give foreign companies your business.


Megaupload is a foreign business. They're based in Hong Kong with only a few servers in the United States.
 
2012-01-19 04:31:37 PM

dahmers love zombie: I think the lesson here is simple. Don't store ANYTHING on US servers. Give foreign companies your business.


No, but theoretically it is still illegal to allow stuff to be sent to the US through US servers/lines.

If MegaUpload blocked all US users, then the US could and would not go after them.
 
2012-01-19 04:34:00 PM
This is a good thing. It's an example of how law enforcement already has the tools to combat piracy. This is a win for all SOPA opposers.
 
2012-01-19 04:37:01 PM
IT'S GONE! ALL THE PORN IS GONE! O_O

THE FEDS HAVE GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME!! >:O
 
2012-01-19 04:38:52 PM
It may be time to reopen the ugly question of just how much A can cheat B before it stops being a civil matter and becomes a criminal one.

If you steal a loaf of pork from the corner store it's a criminal issue and the government picks up the tab for investigating and adjudicating. If you decide to stop paying rent I have to go to court and get a judge to force you out and I have to pay it myself; it can take months, and recovery of costs after the fact basically doesn't happen.

Same here. At what point does "piracy" become a criminal act rather than a civil violation? Whose big fat asses are we protecting with these laws? And how many get hurt so that some few big-money twatwaffles get to keep their uberperks?
 
2012-01-19 04:46:21 PM
Is this more DHS bullshiat?
 
2012-01-19 05:07:07 PM

Captain Steroid: IT'S GONE! ALL THE PORN IS GONE! O_O

THE FEDS HAVE GONE TOO FAR THIS TIME!! >:O


INCREDIBLY ANGRY THIS!
 
2012-01-19 05:09:08 PM

j4x: dahmers love zombie: I think the lesson here is simple. Don't store ANYTHING on US servers. Give foreign companies your business.

Megaupload is a foreign business. They're based in Hong Kong with only a few servers in the United States.


Apparently, just using Verisign to register your domain name is enough, now. TVShack didn't have any servers in the US & got taken down. Link (new window)
 
2012-01-19 05:09:23 PM
 
2012-01-19 05:10:49 PM
Wonder how far we could possibly take it...

"Both Comcast and Verizon have allowed copyrighted files to be illegaly downloaded with their internet services. These files could not have been pirated had the ISPs not provided their services. We must shut them down!"
 
2012-01-19 05:12:25 PM

Flab: Pawn takes the King: I'm say for politicians to point at MU to the general masses that don't & go "SEE?? THIS IS WHY YOU NEED THIS!!"

Then people only need to retort: "They used existing laws to take down a site, therefore we don't need more laws, but more efficient enforcement of existing laws?"


And then you get the Fark Derp Brigade (Left-Wing Chapter) posting "FIX OLD NO NEW" 147 times in the same thread.
 
2012-01-19 05:13:47 PM
Copyright infringement should never be a criminal matter. Leave it to the copyright holders who feel wronged handle it in civil court.
 
2012-01-19 05:13:59 PM
And it continues, Grooveshark has pulled out from Germany: Link (new window)
 
2012-01-19 05:15:47 PM
I thought they qualified as an ISP or something like that, and are not responsible for content hosted on their site?
 
2012-01-19 05:16:30 PM
meat0918: I thought they qualified as an ISP or something like that, and are not responsible for content hosted on their site?

More worrisome is that they did respond to DCMA requests to take down files.
 
2012-01-19 05:18:57 PM

WhyteRaven74: meat0918: I thought they qualified as an ISP or something like that, and are not responsible for content hosted on their site?

More worrisome is that they did respond to DCMA requests to take down files.


Then what could the justification be? As others have said, they weren't only hosting copyrighted materials.
 
2012-01-19 05:18:58 PM
So let's say if I post a copyrighted video on a website, that website gets shut down. Now let's say there are websites out there that I dislike greatly, like FOX. If I post a video on their site in the comments section, will the whole site get crushed?
 
2012-01-19 05:19:05 PM
Anon has already taken down the DoJ's site over this.
 
2012-01-19 05:19:34 PM
 
2012-01-19 05:19:56 PM
You mean they went through the courts?
Th-th-that's just UN-american!

/Americans sure do love getting stuff for free, don't they
 
2012-01-19 05:20:17 PM

Outlaw Thirds: Anon has already taken down the DoJ's site over this.


Oblig

imgs.xkcd.com
 
2012-01-19 05:20:30 PM
Here's a question: if my only copy of some very important files is hosted on a third-party service like mega-upload, and the feds shut that site down, wouldn't that constitute unwarranted seizure of property?
 
ecl
2012-01-19 05:20:58 PM
FTA:

Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the conspiracy in 2010 alone, according to the indictment.

*****************************************

They wait the entire article and slip that in there and hope no one notices. Hack media is easy to see through.
 
2012-01-19 05:22:06 PM

redpanda2: Here's a question: if my only copy of some very important files is hosted on a third-party service like mega-upload, and the feds shut that site down, wouldn't that constitute unwarranted seizure of property?


IANAL, but.... yes?
 
2012-01-19 05:22:16 PM
Also, Gizmodo reports Anonymous took down the Department of Justice website:



It didn't take long lol
 
2012-01-19 05:22:37 PM
Copied from someone's Slashdot post:

The summary doesn't mention it, but none of those indicted or arrested were U.S. citizens or had likely even ever set foot on U.S. soil. Even if you're in another country, you had better make sure you're not violating U.S. law. Here's a full list of those foreigners who foolishly thought they weren't under U.S. jurisdiction (from the DOJ website [justice.gov]):

Kim Dotcom, aka Kim Schmitz and Kim Tim Jim Vestor, 37, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand. Dotcom founded Megaupload Limited and is the director and sole shareholder of Vestor Limited, which has been used to hold his ownership interests in the Mega-affiliated sites.

Finn Batato, 38, a citizen and resident of Germany, who is the chief marketing officer;

Julius Bencko, 35, a citizen and resident of Slovakia, who is the graphic designer;

Sven Echternach, 39, a citizen and resident of Germany, who is the head of business development;

Mathias Ortmann, 40, a citizen of Germany and resident of both Germany and Hong Kong, who is the chief technical officer, co-founder and director;

Andrus Nomm, 32, a citizen of Estonia and resident of both Turkey and Estonia, who is a software programmer and head of the development software division;

Bram van der Kolk, aka Bramos, 29, a Dutch citizen and resident of both the Netherlands and New Zealand, who oversees programming and the underlying network structure for the Mega conspiracy websites.

Dotcom, Batato, Ortmann and van der Kolk were arrested today in Auckland, New Zealand, by New Zealand authorities, who executed provisional arrest warrants requested by the United States. Bencko, Echternach and Nomm remain at large.

***

If this is factual information, I weep for America.
 
2012-01-19 05:22:53 PM
Now with linky goodness Link (new window)
 
2012-01-19 05:23:40 PM

James!: Pawn takes the King: 1 down.. 34802375280658023474091387409321 to go!

A competent villain would say "Damn, you got us" and then quietly go back to downloading My Little Pony porn.


WHAT HAVE YOU DONE!?
 
2012-01-19 05:24:08 PM
All you guys criticizing Eric Holder for doing this are just racist, just like those people that criticize Obama.
 
2012-01-19 05:24:52 PM

ecl: FTA:

Dotcom, a resident of both Hong Kong and New Zealand, and a dual citizen of Finland and Germany, made more than $42 million from the conspiracy in 2010 alone, according to the indictment.

*****************************************

They wait the entire article and slip that in there and hope no one notices. Hack media is easy to see through.


Actually, it's the feds that are calling it a conspiracy. See their indictment here.
 
2012-01-19 05:25:53 PM

WhyteRaven74: Copyright infringement should never be a criminal matter. Leave it to the copyright holders who feel wronged handle it in civil court.


And the laws governing copyright need to be reformed to fit modern times. This would not even be an issue if it were reasonable penalties. If you pirate something and are caught the penalty should be 10x-100x the actual retail price of the work. Extorting people for thousands of dollars on the threat that if they don't pay up they will be sued for hundreds of thousands of dollars is bullshiat.
 
2012-01-19 05:26:40 PM

James!: Pawn takes the King: 1 down.. 34802375280658023474091387409321 to go!

A competent villain would say "Damn, you got us" and then quietly go back to downloading My Little Pony porn.


img854.imageshack.us
 
2012-01-19 05:27:14 PM

the_sidewinder: This just in: Anon is not pleased (new window)


One can only hope these are the opening salvos in the First Great Internet War.
 
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