surely the free market will fix this.

also we can't make an omlette without cracking a few eggs run an energy depend economy without more oil

Oh goody. I get to use this again.

Groundwater is a vital component of the water cycle that can take millions of years to establish.

And 'fracking' has not been studied at all, it has no standards or regulations.

RON PAUL to the rescue!

Jeez, stop being such a whiner. I've dealt with horrible tasting water for years

rhino33: DarnoKonrad: And 'fracking' has not been studied at all, it has no standards or regulations.


this is flat out false. CWA, OSHA, SDWA, and the EPRCA pretty much cover every aspect of drilling and fracturing from a state and federal level.

can these regulations be broken, yes, but there are regulations in place


None of those agencies regulate what goes on deep underground for this specific industry, and that's the problem. But yes, I'm sure the workers are required to have steel toed boots.

I've studied geology, and I would love to hear more about this from a geologist who is not employed by a natural gas or oil company.

I also have strong feelings about polluting groundwater. There's not really a good fix for that.

smelled like rotten eggs, contained concrete slurry and gas bubbles that could be ignited with match

Check the GPS. Are you sure you're not in Indiana?

Bunny Deville: I also have strong feelings about polluting groundwater

Messing with aquifers is never a good thing.

GAT_00: Bunny Deville: I also have strong feelings about polluting groundwater. There's not really a good fix for that.

It's also fairly permanent, if the pollution is high enough. Ground water can filter some pollution, but high enough pollution simply can't be filtered out.

Look see... you don't have to worry about water. My uncle t boone has been acquiring water for a decade now and he curentlt holds the largest fresh water supply in the country. So its okay of yours gets polluted, we can sell you some of ours.

I_Am_Weasel: They're getting free gas. What's their problem?

I know, right? Being able to heat your home with tap water? LUXURY!


A Fark Handle: also we can't make an omlette without cracking fracking a few eggs

VictoryCabal: The worst part is that you just know that in 15 years, when poisoned water has created ghost towns in Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, etc, there will be a whole herd of pundits and talking heads going on the air saying "Nobody could have predicted that this would happen." Then taxpayers will be stuck with the cost of cleaning up the mess long after on-paper only private shell companies have passed on all the profits and then "gone bankrupt"

As the rig drills through the water table, the drilling fluids used to lubricate the drill bit and return the formation particles to the surface mix with the potable water in the aquifer. After the rig crew sets the steel casing into the ground, the casing guards against this mixing of fluids.

Why cannot people let the free market work?

VictoryCabal: The worst part is that you just know that in 15 years, when poisoned water has created ghost towns in Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, etc, there will be a whole herd of pundits and talking heads going on the air saying "Nobody could have predicted that this would happen." Then taxpayers will be stuck with the cost of cleaning up the mess long after on-paper only private shell companies have passed on all the profits and then "gone bankrupt"

As someone who works in the environmental clean-up business, that is both a terrifying and highly profitable analysis.

The more you pollute, the greater the risk to public safety, the greater likelihood that the original polluter's can no longer be held accountable because the company is no longer a legal entity, the more we can charge! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA

/assuming it's an environmental problem that can be cleaned up on a human timescale, however...
//sometimes it would be cheaper just to move to a new planet

so we can frack w/ unknown chemicals for ng, but can't run a pipeline?

oh wait, i'm thinking inside the box....

FTFY

Speaker2Animals: The same state that changed the law about six years ago taking away from cities and counties the right to regulate these wells. Your corporate campaign donations at work.

Yep, we had an oil well leaking in my town a few months ago, people called the city complaining, they called ODNR (Ohio Department of Natural Resources, the only ones allowed to do any kind of well enforcement) and they came out and after doing a visual inspection said it was just normal offgassing. Well, a week or so later a large creek nearby was shimmering like a mile long rainbow. Turns out an underground fixture had broken and about 10,000 gallons of crude had spilled into the soil. Company ended up having to dig up some ungodly amount of soil to decontaminate the site so in this case not having local control cost the company a fair bit of money.

After hearing crap like this why would anybody besides the CEO and the paid off politicians want the Keystone pipeline to be built?

STFU and drink your eggs, commies!

/job creation
//progress
///slashorama

ultraholland: Messing with aquifers is never a good thing.

Tell me about it man, I accidentally embarked on an aquifer and it took nearly 2 years before I could set up a pump network to clear it enough for digging. Pain in the ass I tell you.

Yet Kasich wants to drill into as much of the state as he can, be damned the consequences. And there are still people that think this reckless, destructive behavior will bring "jobs".

GAT_00: your average maint. man: so we can frack w/ unknown chemicals for ng, but can't run a pipeline?

oh wait, i'm thinking inside the box....

We shouldn't be doing either. But yes, your 'if some pollution is OK then ALL pollution is OK' makes total sense.

that was not what i was saying...shiat does happen though

gas bubbles that could be ignited with match

In before lawsuit for theft of natural gas.

City water, city sewer.

It's been happening here in Colorado. Videos of people lighting water as it came out of the tap.

Has Ohio had many more earthquakes?

If only there were some sort of legal framework that allowed people to sue companies that destroy or diminish the value of their property.

Guillotines would solve a lot of problems.

trotsky: Yet Kasich wants to drill into as much of the state as he can, be damned the consequences. And there are still people that think this reckless, destructive behavior will bring "jobs".

Why are you against highly-paid environmental clean-up jobs?

Northern Claw: It's been happening here in Colorado. Videos of people lighting water as it came out of the tap.

Has Ohio had many more earthquakes?

People have the impression that water in the ground is pure and uncontaminated as a matter of course when, in fact, it's actually a fairly heterogeneous mixture.

In CO (and, apparently, in PA where people started the "zomg fracking" stuff) certain areas of ground water have various natural gas pockets within/surrounding them, leaving to the interesting "flaming tap water" scenarios.

But nevermind that, it must be corporations!

So... call the EPA?

Or if you've got money, hire a third-party analyst, then take results in hand and sue the living shiat out of the state, winning enough money to just drink bottled water instead.