This whole will-they-won't they thing the U.S and Iran have going on is really dragging.

Shut up Iran, that's enough.

If you actually read the article, thei is "We think iran will x y and z if we attack it's nuclear sites"

It dosen't sound like iran is asking for anything at all. Last i heard they were praising the US for rescuing it's sailors from pirates.

It's scary how propoganda can encourage support for a war neither side really wants.

i thought china's military force was larger in sheer numbers...

Howabout we just, you know, stop farking about in the middle east.

Or glass the whole damn lot. One or the other.

Iran might pound Persian Gulf cities with ballistic missiles and use swift boats to attack American war ships in an attempt to dissuade totally piss off the U.S. and what few allies they may have and practically guarantee a U.S. attack on its nuclear arms sites, a new report states.

Tatsuma: Vantango84: This whole will-they-won't they thing the U.S and Iran have going on is really dragging.

Don't worry, it'll flare up right in time for the elections

only question is which person, Obama or the soon to be named Republican candidate uses it to their advantage to garner votes.

subby: "the world's largest military force"

The People's Republic of China? (new window)

When the media beats the drums of war facts fade into nothingness.

I am starting to think we are so stupid we deserve to be lied to.

Let those miserable farkers in Israel fire the first shot. You know they've been itching for it.

They'd be stupid to attack Arab states in an effort to undermine support for a US strike. This will only solidify already high Arab antipathy towards Persian influence. Saudi Arabia would love to see Iran go down and the Arab states besides Iraq and Syria will follow KSA. Syria's busy and so is Iraq. If the US decides to punish Iran, we'll roll over their military and the initial attacks of the IRGC. As long as, at that point, the US farking LEAVES, it wouldn't get too messy (for us, anyway). If we stay for some bullshiat nation building, things will go very badly for us.

That said, we shouldn't do that. Even if they get a nuke, they can't hit us. Their GDP is less than the state of North Carolina. This is not a worthy adversary, dude.

Xai: If you actually read the article, thei is "We think iran will x y and z if we attack it's nuclear sites"

It dosen't sound like iran is asking for anything at all. Last i heard they were praising the US for rescuing it's sailors from pirates. captured an American and held him as a spy.

It's scary how propoganda can encourage support for a war neither side really wants.

Iran is channeling Best Korea now.
Achmajimmyrod is feeling ronery, so ronery.

/Iran needs to show boobs or STFU and GTFO.

Saudi Arabia will keep a lid on Iran. Just like how China keeps North Korea under control. To protect their business with America.

according to a research organization with close ties to the Pentagon.

Uhm, did you miss that part subby?

Iran didn't ask for anything.

neversubmit: subby: "the world's largest military force"

The People's Republic of China? (new window)

When the media beats the drums of war facts fade into nothingness.

I know the PRC has a quite a few troops but the way that link looks, it appears Best Korea® has more than them and the Russian Federation has more than anyone. Although a history teacher told me that during the Korean War, our troops fought almost to the North Korea/Chinese border but turned back because if we had crossed it would have been a slaughter due to the sheer numbers and the fact that every 5th soldier had a gun and the others fought hand to hand and when a person with a gun went down the person next to him picked it up and kept going. Or something like that.

Russia also gains nothing from Iran being assholes, so they will pressure them as well.

It's US News. The FOX of dead-tree journalism. The paper that published photos of Detroit and Baltimore and called it a montage of Havana.

The neocons (new window) never sleep, never rest, never stop banging that drum.

The Neocon intellectual lineage flows straight from Trotsky (new window).

neversubmit: subby: "the world's largest military force"

The People's Republic of China? (new window)

When the media beats the drums of war facts fade into nothingness.

You are correct. subby should have said "the world's most powerful military force".

neversubmit: subby: "the world's largest military force"

The People's Republic of China? (new window)

When the media beats the drums of war facts fade into nothingness.

I was going to say something about that, but while they have more manpower the US vastly outnumbers the Chinese in terms of equipment (# of ships / aircraft), and of course power projection capabilities. It's almost impossible to envision the Chinese trying to invade Iran*.

* and NOT losing horribly.

Freakman: They'd be stupid to attack Arab states in an effort to undermine support for a US strike. This will only solidify already high Arab antipathy towards Persian influence. Saudi Arabia would love to see Iran go down and the Arab states besides Iraq and Syria will follow KSA. Syria's busy and so is Iraq. If the US decides to punish Iran, we'll roll over their military and the initial attacks of the IRGC. As long as, at that point, the US farking LEAVES, it wouldn't get too messy (for us, anyway). If we stay for some bullshiat nation building, things will go very badly for us.

That said, we shouldn't do that. Even if they get a nuke, they can't hit us. Their GDP is less than the state of North Carolina. This is not a worthy adversary, dude.

"very badly" is relative. Based on what we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan, "very badly" means perhaps 5,000 US personnel killed over 6-10 years and an obscene amount of money spent.

meanmutton: Xai: If you actually read the article, thei is "We think iran will x y and z if we attack it's nuclear sites"

It dosen't sound like iran is asking for anything at all. Last i heard they were praising the US for rescuing it's sailors from pirates. captured an American and held him as a spy.

It's scary how propoganda can encourage support for a war neither side really wants.

funny isn't it - reverse the situation and he'd be called a dirty terrorist who deserved to be at guantanamo

jimmyjackfunk: neversubmit: subby: "the world's largest military force"

The People's Republic of China? (new window)

When the media beats the drums of war facts fade into nothingness.

I know the PRC has a quite a few troops but the way that link looks, it appears Best Korea® has more than them and the Russian Federation has more than anyone. Although a history teacher told me that during the Korean War, our troops fought almost to the North Korea/Chinese border but turned back because if we had crossed it would have been a slaughter due to the sheer numbers and the fact that every 5th soldier had a gun and the others fought hand to hand and when a person with a gun went down the person next to him picked it up and kept going. Or something like that.

I was just going by troop numbers and I was being biatchy about all the teasing and lack of action.

Swift boat attacks? Someone should really tell them Kerry was never elected president.

meanmutton: should have said "the world's most powerful military force".

yep

Arkanaut: neversubmit: subby: "the world's largest military force"

The People's Republic of China? (new window)

When the media beats the drums of war facts fade into nothingness.

I was going to say something about that, but while they have more manpower the US vastly outnumbers the Chinese in terms of equipment (# of ships / aircraft), and of course power projection capabilities. It's almost impossible to envision the Chinese trying to invade Iran*.

* and NOT losing horribly.

Don't I wish, it would be great for the US but it's not going to happen. We might get Turkey to do something.

Rocket hits Turkish embassy in Iraq (new window)

A Turkish embassy source said at least three rockets had been fired at the embassy, but only one hit an outside blast wall without causing injuries.

But we will need to do a hell of a lot more than a lame rocket attack. Not that I'm saying we (the US) had anything to do with that one.

world's largest most expensive military force

Having not paid attention to Iraq or and Afghanistan, Iran asks foolishly believes the world's largest military force and its civilian leadership don't have the money or balls to kick its ass back into the stone age

/FTFY, subby

Given that we're downsizing the Army to less than 400,000 active duty soldiers, I fail to see how we're the largest military in the world- Iran has about 470k active-duty. Even with National Guard and Reserve forces we barely reach 1 million soldiers currently enlisted/commissioned. Add in about 250 k Marines (200 active, 40-50 reserve).

The only military category we lead the world in terms of numbers is Navy- we have more carriers than the rest of the world combined and a larger submarine force than pretty much anyone except maybe Russia. Add in about 100 cruisers, destroyers, and frigates and who knows how many landing craft/troop ships.

HotIgneous Intruder:
The Neocon intellectual lineage flows straight from Trotsky (new window).



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Stabone33: HotIgneous Intruder:
The Neocon intellectual lineage flows straight from Trotsky (new window).

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Come on out of that cave you've been living in for the past decade. He's correct, according to Neocons themselves when they were still openly describing themselves as Neocons (i.e., before Iraq blew up in their faces), and they were quite open about wanting to attack Iran. I don't think they would object to anything Obama has done.

cool! our daily dose of BS propaganda! we all know where this artcle prob originated from.

Vantango84: This whole will-they-won't they thing the U.S and Iran have going on is really dragging.

We should conquer the portion along the water and stick a bunch of Jews there. That'd really get the chairs flying!

Come on out of that cave you've been living in for the past decade. He's correct, according to Neocons themselves when they were still openly describing themselves as Neocons (i.e., before Iraq blew up in their faces), and they were quite open about wanting to attack Iran. I don't think they would object to anything Obama has done.

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meanmutton: Freakman: They'd be stupid to attack Arab states in an effort to undermine support for a US strike. This will only solidify already high Arab antipathy towards Persian influence. Saudi Arabia would love to see Iran go down and the Arab states besides Iraq and Syria will follow KSA. Syria's busy and so is Iraq. If the US decides to punish Iran, we'll roll over their military and the initial attacks of the IRGC. As long as, at that point, the US farking LEAVES, it wouldn't get too messy (for us, anyway). If we stay for some bullshiat nation building, things will go very badly for us.

That said, we shouldn't do that. Even if they get a nuke, they can't hit us. Their GDP is less than the state of North Carolina. This is not a worthy adversary, dude.

"very badly" is relative. Based on what we've seen in Iraq and Afghanistan, "very badly" means perhaps 5,000 US personnel killed over 6-10 years and an obscene amount of money spent.

For little to no gain. It's true our casualties have been extremely low compared to, well... the rest of military history. But neither Iraq nor Afghanistan are worth even that low number. Iran isn't either.

Stabone33: HotIgneous Intruder:
The Neocon intellectual lineage flows straight from Trotsky (new window).

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Nice graphic, but if you're still thinking of American politics in terms of the main street liberal-conservative split, you're doing it wrong. Obama is straight out of the neocons' Chicago school of economics and global realpolitik. In other words, Obama is as much a liberal as Bush II was a conservative, which is to say, not at all. They just play to their bases. Google up neoconservative (new window) and neoliberal (new window).

Stabone33: Come on out of that cave you've been living in for the past decade. He's correct, according to Neocons themselves when they were still openly describing themselves as Neocons (i.e., before Iraq blew up in their faces), and they were quite open about wanting to attack Iran. I don't think they would object to anything Obama has done.

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Now who's trolling?
Hmm?

So long as Obozo doesn't run out of paper there won't be any war. I guess though if he does he'll revert to email.

Tell Me How My Blog Tastes: This isn't really propaganda, it's a war games simulation report that got leaked to the public. All this is saying is that Iran has missiles that can target Arab cities... which we already knew. What we don't know is the effectiveness of them, and the article makes that clear.

I don't think Obama is going to do this... Romney, I'm not sure. I think there are plenty of chickenhawk republicans who think a war might stimulate our economy just fine (but government spending on unemployment benefits is socialism, mind you).

I don't think Iran will be stupid enough to block the Strait, so we won't have to. If they do, it will be a short, one-sided Naval battle, with some very targeted missile/airstrikes on land with the goal of eliminating Iran's capacity to block the Strait. If they try to launch ze missiles at Israel, our Aegis cruisers will get many, and Israel's Patriot/Arrow systems will get most of the rest, if not all. We won't strike first, and we'll stop when Iran's forces are no longer effective.

The hard part, if that happens, will be keeping Israel out of the fight. I think many more "nuclear scientists" would end up falling on bullets and taunting exploding trashcans and so forth, however.