FARK.com: (6888885) Pagan mom: "You can't hand out Bibles in school." School: "They're donations. We'd do the same for any donated holy book." Pagan mom: "Fine, here's some copies of my spellbook." School: *crickets*

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		Pagan mom: "You can't hand out Bibles in school." School: "They're donations. We'd do the same for any donated holy book." Pagan mom: "Fine, here's some copies of my spellbook." School: crickets (foxnews.com)		431
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thismomentinblackhistory

2012-01-19 08:22:36 AM

"Many Christians have stood up and said they agree with me too," Strivelli said. "Because, as much as they may like the Bible, they don't want Jehovah's Witnesses coming in with Watch Tower (magazines) or Catholics coming in and having them pray the Rosary."

When I read things like this I feel like I've stumbled into a dark room full of people playing Dungeons & Dragons.

nekom

2012-01-19 08:31:44 AM

Donated or not, a public school is no place to be passing out bibles or any religious things. You know what would be a really appropriate place to pass out bibles? Church.

I_Am_Weasel

2012-01-19 08:39:04 AM

Rocky Raccoon checked into his room, only to find Gideon's spell book.

keylock71

2012-01-19 08:39:22 AM

Would have been funnier if she donated some Korans... I'm sure the school would have no problems handing those donated books out, either.

The moral of the story is, keep that shiat in church, or temple, or where ever the hell you choose to practice your religion.

Jake Havechek

2012-01-19 08:43:45 AM

No, you can't do that.

Of course the poor poor oppressed Christians will kick a fit, but fark 'em.

Teknowaffle

2012-01-19 08:44:25 AM

Paganism and wiccanism. The hipsters of religion.

Because religion was cooler before that whole Jesus guy.

Bell's Boy

2012-01-19 08:44:31 AM

...and yet I'm not allowed to hand out candy at school from my van. The aristocrats.

LordJiro

2012-01-19 08:47:29 AM

Teknowaffle: Paganism and wiccanism. The hipsters of religion.

Because religion was cooler before that whole Jesus guy.

So Buddhists, Jews, and members of any other religion that came before Jesus are hipsters?

/Not pagan or wiccan, just poking fun at your definition of religious hipsters.

Cheesus

2012-01-19 08:47:29 AM

"Our children have access to more non-Christian print material in the libraries and online than they really do Christian stuff," he said.

Considering the number of non-Christian religions > 1, that is to be expected. You have way more churches than there are libraries, why can't the kids go to them to learn about Jesus?

/hope the kid isn't get shiat on for this
//wait I grew up in western NC, I know she is

Farking Canuck

2012-01-19 08:47:51 AM

Perfect example of how christians are hypocrites.

There are so many threads where christians are trying to defend having their religion in government and those opposed to it say something like "you wouldn't be fine with this if it was the koran". Well here is a case where somebody stepped up and did make the christians put their money where their mouth are ... and they came out as expected: hypocrites.

PanicMan

2012-01-19 08:48:14 AM

Sybilsue Strivelli? That's a hell of a name.

Jake Havechek

2012-01-19 08:49:20 AM

Paganism....

You mean like symbolically ingesting the body and blood of a divine being as a regular ceremony? Believing a guy was killed, came back to life 3 days later, and then floated up into the sky?

That kind of paganism?

o5iiawah

2012-01-19 08:50:17 AM

The actions by the school fail the 3-pronged Lemon vs Kurtzman test on 2 fronts.

While the bibles in the front office dont display excessive preference, it has clearly excluded another religion from distributing its texts. Also, the distribution of bibles doesn't fill any secular purpose. I predict the fist of courts coming soon.

Teknowaffle

2012-01-19 08:50:18 AM

LordJiro: Teknowaffle: Paganism and wiccanism. The hipsters of religion.

Because religion was cooler before that whole Jesus guy.

So Buddhists, Jews, and members of any other religion that came before Jesus are hipsters?

/Not pagan or wiccan, just poking fun at your definition of religious hipsters.

Yeah, but there are millions of buddhists, Jews and the like. Wiccanism and Paganism are for a weird few who crave religion and spirituality, but can't handle the thought of being "mainstream"

skammie

2012-01-19 08:50:26 AM

LordJiro: Teknowaffle: Paganism and wiccanism. The hipsters of religion.

Because religion was cooler before that whole Jesus guy.

So Buddhists, Jews, and members of any other religion that came before Jesus are hipsters?

/Not pagan or wiccan, just poking fun at your definition of religious hipsters.

You guys do know that Wicca came about in the 1950s, right? It's about as ancient as Dick Clark.

Galvatron Zero

2012-01-19 08:50:43 AM

Any link to Fox has me immediately reading their comments section. Honestly not as much asshattery as I had expected. A couple folks there that made me raise my eyebrow, but the rest are more level headed than I would expect.

In short, two problems here:

1 - Religious materials of any kind should not be passed out at a school
2 - IF you do pass it out, then don't turn someone away for bringing in non-christian material.

Dinobot

2012-01-19 08:51:31 AM

Teknowaffle: Paganism and wiccanism. The hipsters of religion.

Because religion was cooler before that whole Jesus guy.

And then there were the druids, with their long white robes and their long white beards...

Dinobot

2012-01-19 08:52:41 AM

Did someone say Pagans?
www.brianorndorf.com

/I still want those goat leggins

Egoy3k

2012-01-19 08:53:40 AM

"Our children have access to more non-Christian print material in the libraries and online than they really do Christian stuff," he said.

They also have access to more non-history than history and more non-science than science, subsets how do they work?

thismomentinblackhistory

2012-01-19 08:54:02 AM

Jake Havechek: symbolically

Know how I know you aren't talking about Catholicism?

Jake Havechek

2012-01-19 08:57:05 AM

thismomentinblackhistory: Jake Havechek: symbolically

Know how I know you aren't talking about Catholicism?

Sure I am; transubstantiation is a crock of shiat.

Thrakkerzog

2012-01-19 08:57:11 AM

Teknowaffle: Yeah, but there are millions of buddhists, Jews and the like. Wiccanism and Paganism are for a weird few who crave religion and spirituality, but can't handle the thought of being "mainstream"

[citation needed]

/not religious

enry

2012-01-19 08:58:18 AM

With all the conservatives whining about how the government can't do anything right and the teacher's union is a hive of scum and villainy, but it's suddenly okay with them if the inept government and evil teachers add a religion class?

squidgod2000

2012-01-19 08:59:53 AM

Hokey religions and ancient spells are no match for a good bible at your side, kid.

Jixa

2012-01-19 09:00:04 AM

I will not rest until all schools and public buildings have at least one of these on a shelf.

soul1.altervista.org

PostApocalypticTribe

2012-01-19 09:00:13 AM

As a hipster pagan living on the NC/SC border I'm getting a kick out of.... oh wait, no I'm not.

i40.photobucket.com

mynameisdouglas

2012-01-19 09:00:49 AM

Preface: I fully support the notion that religion and the state should be separate.
Read away...

I have no problem with books being distributed to interested kids.
I do see a slightly slippery slope, in theory. But really, who gives a shiat.
Nobody is forcing anything down the kids throat (unlike evolution, lolz).

enry

2012-01-19 09:01:22 AM

skammie: You guys do know that Wicca came about in the 1950s, right? It's about as ancient as Dick Clark.

Yeah, about that (new window)

Mayhem of the Black Underclass

2012-01-19 09:01:59 AM

Dinobot: Did
/I still want those goat leggins

QFT

Callous

2012-01-19 09:03:58 AM

nekom: Donated or not, a public school is no place to be passing out bibles or any religious things. You know what would be a really appropriate place to pass out bibles? Church.

Having religious texts in the school library, just like any other reference material, seems perfectly appropriate, but to hand it out doesn't. Unless of coarse it pertains to the lesson being taught. The problem becomes that there's so many different religions out there that some discrimination must occur or there will just be far too much material to effectively study any of them. And someone is going to get offended and scream about it.

Jixa

2012-01-19 09:04:08 AM

Teknowaffle:

Yeah, but there are millions of buddhists, Jews and the like. Wiccanism and Paganism are for a weird few who crave religion and spirituality, but can't handle the thought of being "mainstream"

Conformists
farm2.staticflickr.com

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion

2012-01-19 09:05:43 AM

Ah, religious zealotry. Is there anything you can't fark up?

Bullseyed

2012-01-19 09:06:49 AM

The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.

"Schools should not be giving out one religion's materials and not others," Strivelli said.

The school did not give out religious materials. They allowed them to be picked up.

Is the school giving out children when they allow parents to pick their kids up?

dready zim

2012-01-19 09:07:08 AM

Druids. Aren`t they a victorian invention? or is that pagans?

I know one of those `thousands of years old` pseudo-religious things was invented by victorians

The catholic encyclopedia says "Paganism, in the broadest sense includes all religions other than the true one revealed by God, and, in a narrower sense, all except Christianity, Judaism, and Mohammedanism. The term is also used as the equivalent of Polytheism."

bold is mine. I would say the bold is subject to discussion...

Don`t they all claim that? isn`t christianity itself pagan under that definition to other religions?

mekki

2012-01-19 09:07:25 AM

The only time you should be allowed to pass out Bibles in a public school is for English class. Some people always get so jumpy around Bibles being near anywhere public that they forget the book has been a major influence on Western literature and plays for hundreds of years. And to fully understand some literature and plays one needs to have some knowledge of the Bible.

Even if you don't believe in it, it's a fantastic book. The use of language alone is worth the read.

Andrew Wiggin

2012-01-19 09:07:31 AM

sybilsue?

teardrop

2012-01-19 09:07:55 AM

Interesting that the article described only the bible as a "sacred book" whereas other religious books were described as "religious texts" or "pagan spell books"

Also the comment about "mainstream good religons" (my emphasis)

Not biased much then?

Bullseyed

2012-01-19 09:08:23 AM

keylock71: Would have been funnier if she donated some Korans... I'm sure the school would have no problems handing those donated books out, either.

The moral of the story is, keep that shiat in church, or temple, or where ever the hell you choose to practice your religion.

Perhaps you should re-attend school for some reading comprehension. The school did not give anything out, they allowed the books to be picked up.

abb3w

2012-01-19 09:08:33 AM

keylock71: Would have been funnier if she donated some Korans...

Actually, there was an offer from New York for 500.

(I could have sworn this was a repeat, but I'm not finding a greenlight. If we can't have a religion tab, how about at least a tag word?)

Farking Canuck: Perfect example of how christians are hypocrites.

Well, nigh-perfect. It is marginally possible the lawyers actually got the "you IDIOT" warning back to the principal before she called his bluff. A perfect example would be if he wasn't even bothering to present "the lawyers say the policy needs revising because we maybe shouldn't have done that" as an excuse.

It's kind of a pity they did decide to change the policy so fast. There were discussions in a couple places about getting donations of a few hundred copies of Richard Dawkins "The Magic Of Reality" to give away there.

oryx

2012-01-19 09:09:12 AM

Review period indeed. So they're not accepting religious book donations until things cool down! The law is clear that you if accept religious book donations you can't allow some and reject others, so it's best not to accept any at all. What is there to review?

strife

2012-01-19 09:09:13 AM

I received one of those pocket-sized bibles in fourth-grade public school many years ago; someone tried to say I had torched it, but no, I still have it for some dumb reason. Never received the Koran, Bhagavad Gita, spell books, box of Lucky Charms cereal or books on Scientology though.

Crotchrocket Slim

2012-01-19 09:10:29 AM

Teknowaffle: Paganism and wiccanism. The hipsters of religion.

Because religion was cooler before that whole Jesus guy.

Thor frowns upon your shenanigans, goes trawling the bars with Hercules for loose mortal tail.

AngryPanda

2012-01-19 09:12:43 AM

Bullseyed: The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.

"Schools should not be giving out one religion's materials and not others," Strivelli said.

The school did not give out religious materials. They allowed them to be picked up.

Is the school giving out children when they allow parents to pick their kids up?

How's this for a compromise? A public school shouldn't be offering religious texts at all.

macadamnut

2012-01-19 09:12:53 AM

"America runs a grand, noble experiment in religious diversity without violence," he said. "There's no killing of the Jews. There's no Catholic-Protestant violence. We are very successful in this grand experiment."

www.psnnewsletter.com

Cheesus

2012-01-19 09:13:02 AM

Bullseyed: The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.

"Schools should not be giving out one religion's materials and not others," Strivelli said.

The school did not give out religious materials. They allowed them to be picked up.

Is the school giving out children when they allow parents to pick their kids up?

Personally I don't have much problem with that. What I do have a problem with is them excluding other religions that want their materials given the same treatment. They cannot do that.

phrenicmonkey

2012-01-19 09:13:07 AM

"Our country was founded on Judeo-Christian principles, not on Wiccan principles," [said] Bobby Honeycutt,

It's like an Onion article. Does he wear suspenders and drive a pick-up? Is Bobby Sr called 'Daddy'?

KrispyKritter

2012-01-19 09:14:36 AM

screw them and screw that. church people should be out promoting good works and performing good deeds for family, neighbors and people of the community. lead by example. knock on peoples doors and let them know they are welcome at your house of worship.

i've seen very little of that in life. if these people really gave a damn about their fellow man and saving souls they would be looking after society's many untended and forgotten.

Farking Canuck

2012-01-19 09:15:00 AM

abb3w: Well, nigh-perfect. It is marginally possible the lawyers actually got the "you IDIOT" warning back to the principal before she called his bluff. A perfect example would be if he wasn't even bothering to present "the lawyers say the policy needs revising because we maybe shouldn't have done that" as an excuse.

Sure but the knee-jerk reaction makes it pretty clear that the wiccan book was never going to be allowed for pick-up.

This principal appears to be smart enough to avoid a lawsuit ... this is the only reason that it didn't play out as you describe.

PostApocalypticTribe

2012-01-19 09:15:02 AM

Bullseyed: The staff allowed interested students to stop by and pick them up.

"Schools should not be giving out one religion's materials and not others," Strivelli said.

The school did not give out religious materials. They allowed them to be picked up.

Is the school giving out children when they allow parents to pick their kids up?

The point is they did not allow other religious literature to be similarly "picked up" thus show a preference for one religion over another.

Gergesa

2012-01-19 09:16:26 AM

This thread is a good chance to post pics of what a hot witch/pagan might look like.

I am at work though so I can't contribute.

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