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(Fox News) Obvious If the GOP candidates play their cards right, then every time Obama comes out with a commercial like this then all they have to do is counter it with the evidence   (foxnews.com) divider line 111
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Aarontology [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 08:47:55 AM
And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"
 
2wolves [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 09:07:52 AM
The GOP candidate sure can't run on their party's triumphs. Mr. Bush, the Lesser, is an unperson. Even the ghost of St. Reagan is showing poorly these days.
 
mrshowrules [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 10:12:47 AM
Didn't watch the video. I don't know about the substance of it but I think it is a very good strategy for Obama to come out on Solyndra as much as possible right now. Good timing with the pipeline too because it makes the GOP look self-serving attacking Obama's energy policy.

Now is the time to work that issue as hard as possible and beat that horse to death before the GOP even have a candidate. Put tired sleeping point in a coma before Romney gets to have fun with it. Actually, Obama should be getting in front of his own vulnerabilities. That way, when the campaign starts in earnest, he can focus the spotlight his positives and Romney's negatives.
 
LasersHurt
2012-01-19 10:47:29 AM
So the ad defends Solyndra... by not mentioning it at all. Thanks, Fox News.
 
Serious Black
2012-01-19 10:47:40 AM
Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do by being unpatriotic and keeping millions of dollars in offshore accounts"

FTFY
 
lennavan
2012-01-19 10:48:11 AM
Obama's ad opens by citing "secretive billionaires attacking President Obama with ads fact-checkers say are not tethered to the facts." It says that the president has added 2.7 million clean energy jobs while reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil, calling Obama's record on ethics "unprecedented."

The voiceover ends by saying, "President Obama. Kept his promise to toughen ethics rules and strengthen America's energy economy."

I'm super excited to hear what this countering evidence is, considering none was presented by subby, or by the article.
 
colithian
2012-01-19 10:48:42 AM

Koch brothers accusing Obama of conducting pay-for-play politics


It's not even the end of January and we've already got the most hypocritical statement of the year.

/astroturfing ftl
 
LasersHurt
2012-01-19 10:49:00 AM
lennavan: Obama's ad opens by citing "secretive billionaires attacking President Obama with ads fact-checkers say are not tethered to the facts." It says that the president has added 2.7 million clean energy jobs while reducing the nation's dependence on foreign oil, calling Obama's record on ethics "unprecedented."

The voiceover ends by saying, "President Obama. Kept his promise to toughen ethics rules and strengthen America's energy economy."

I'm super excited to hear what this countering evidence is, considering none was presented by subby, or by the article.

Well you see, liberals,

/stealing someone else's schtick
 
star_topology
2012-01-19 10:49:39 AM
Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"

I'm glad we wrapped this up. Onward to the next thread.
 
liverleef
2012-01-19 10:50:07 AM
30 billion tax payer dollars lost in fraud related to the Iraq war?
Meh

500 million lost related to Solyndra

OMG Wharrgarbl!
 
bugontherug
2012-01-19 10:50:53 AM
Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"

"And wants to cut his taxes, but not your taxes, even more."
 
Linux_Yes [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 10:51:25 AM
yea, FOX's "evidence"
 
bugontherug
2012-01-19 10:52:35 AM
liverleef: 30 billion tax payer dollars lost in fraud related to the Iraq war?
Meh

500 million lost related to Solyndra

OMG Wharrgarbl!

I think that's the wrong take on this. The correct take is "Obama didn't do anything wrong."
 
Forgot_my_password_again
2012-01-19 10:52:40 AM
Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"

and hides millions in off shore bank accounts
 
davynelson
2012-01-19 10:53:10 AM
why vote for any of them?

storm the gates and demand IQ tests for all political candidates
plus a psychological workup to make sure they're altruistic and sincere
not narcissistic psychopaths
 
s2s2s2
2012-01-19 10:53:27 AM
Secretive Billionaires? Who are these Secretive Billionaires?
 
Masso
2012-01-19 10:53:50 AM
The ads seemed to be more like exploiting keystone pipeline decision more than anything. Thanks anyway Fox News.
 
ManateeGag [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 10:54:32 AM
All Obama has to to is play any footage from GOP debates. Surely there is plenty that shows any of the candidates to be semi-retarded.
 
HotWingConspiracy
2012-01-19 10:55:36 AM
bugontherug: Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"

"And wants to cut his taxes, but not your taxes, even more."

"And actually wants to raise taxes so poor people have 'skin in the game'."
 
TommyDeuce
2012-01-19 10:57:13 AM
davynelson: why vote for any of them?

storm the gates and demand IQ tests for all political candidates
plus a psychological workup to make sure they're altruistic and sincere
not narcissistic psychopaths

So are you proposing we only let Canadians and Scandinavians go into politics in the USA?

/I guess I could live with that.
 
Fart_Machine
2012-01-19 10:58:43 AM
s2s2s2: Secretive Billionaires? Who are these Secretive Billionaires?

True, the Koch brothers aren't all that secretive.
 
bulldg4life
2012-01-19 10:59:02 AM
bugontherug: I think that's the wrong take on this. The correct take is "Obama didn't do anything wrong."

No, I'm pretty sure Obama forced the non-administration appointed panel to approve the DOE loan after they reworked it. I saw him run in to the hearing and threaten GITMO detention and promise political favors if they approved the loan.

Sure, it is a fraction of the overall money spent and, by and large, the rest of those loans were successful And, sure, Bush tried to get an even worse loan passed for the same company before he left office, but still.

It's Obama.
 
Virtual Pariah
2012-01-19 11:00:21 AM
That would only work if one side or the other weren't sitting in a glass house.

The whole using facts to disprove a candidates rhetoric would be a Nuclear option in the US.
 
Bloody William
2012-01-19 11:00:26 AM
They'll do that along with the Whitey tape, right?
 
s2s2s2
2012-01-19 11:00:37 AM
Fart_Machine: True, the Koch brothers aren't all that secretive.

Maybe they meant secreting?
 
Disposable Rob [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 11:00:41 AM
bugontherug: liverleef: 30 billion tax payer dollars lost in fraud related to the Iraq war?
Meh

500 million lost related to Solyndra

OMG Wharrgarbl!

I think that's the wrong take on this. The correct take is "Obama didn't do anything wrong."

Everytime I see the Koch commercial it comes off as "The government put its trust in the Free Market and the Free Market failed." It's really weird, even if you go only by what's in the ad.
 
brad111
2012-01-19 11:03:18 AM
The use of evidence and fox news in the same headline is funny. Since when did this become a republican board with retarded stuff on it.
 
All2morrowsparTs
2012-01-19 11:05:19 AM
Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"

Even better, "Romney pays less than you and his Capital Gains Tax Plan will allow him to pay no taxes at all!"
 
pxsteel
2012-01-19 11:06:27 AM
s2s2s2: Secretive Billionaires? Who are these Secretive Billionaires?

If that ad was aimed at the independants, it fails badly. Right or wrong, I got demogoguery, BS, BS, BS and who cares.
 
Boxcutta
2012-01-19 11:06:45 AM
Silly subby. Republicans have no interest in evidence.
 
Fart_Machine
2012-01-19 11:08:17 AM
bulldg4life: bugontherug: I think that's the wrong take on this. The correct take is "Obama didn't do anything wrong."

No, I'm pretty sure Obama forced the non-administration appointed panel to approve the DOE loan after they reworked it. I saw him run in to the hearing and threaten GITMO detention and promise political favors if they approved the loan.

Sure, it is a fraction of the overall money spent and, by and large, the rest of those loans were successful And, sure, Bush tried to get an even worse loan passed for the same company before he left office, but still.

It's Obama.

It was also such a horrible investment that it attracted twice as much money from private investors, most notably the Walton family.
 
mrshowrules [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 11:08:42 AM
liverleef: 30 billion tax payer dollars lost in fraud related to the Iraq war?
Meh

500 million lost related to Solyndra

OMG Wharrgarbl!

500 > 30 for many Conservative voters because they aren't very good with numbers
 
proteus_b
2012-01-19 11:09:28 AM
obama sucks, and it has nothing to do with solyndra... who gives a shiat about solyndra?
 
Jake Havechek
2012-01-19 11:09:41 AM
2wolves: The GOP candidate sure can't run on their party's triumphs. Mr. Bush, the Lesser, is an unperson. Even the ghost of St. Reagan is showing poorly these days.

This is true. They have no triumphs, and there won't be a another Reagan.
 
Cinaed
2012-01-19 11:10:02 AM
I guessing the 'evidence' is right up there with the Kenyan Birth Certificate. Long-form, mind you.
 
A Dark Evil Omen
2012-01-19 11:10:29 AM
The real story: The Obama campaign is starting to pull the starter cord.

Lulz impending in 3...
 
PanicMan
2012-01-19 11:12:43 AM
HotWingConspiracy: bugontherug: Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"

"And wants to cut his taxes, but not your taxes, even more."

"And actually wants to raise taxes so poor people have 'skin in the game'."

Poor people already have "skin in the game".
 
Lost Thought 00
2012-01-19 11:15:31 AM
pxsteel: s2s2s2: Secretive Billionaires? Who are these Secretive Billionaires?

If that ad was aimed at the independants, it fails badly. Right or wrong, I got demogoguery, BS, BS, BS and who cares.

Independents don't start paying attention until roughly late August and early September. That ad was aimed at firing up the base to sign up for volunteering and more importantly driving campaign contributions.
 
HellRaisingHoosier
2012-01-19 11:16:22 AM
I ... just ... don't ... care
 
skullkrusher
2012-01-19 11:17:54 AM
Fart_Machine: bulldg4life: bugontherug: I think that's the wrong take on this. The correct take is "Obama didn't do anything wrong."

No, I'm pretty sure Obama forced the non-administration appointed panel to approve the DOE loan after they reworked it. I saw him run in to the hearing and threaten GITMO detention and promise political favors if they approved the loan.

Sure, it is a fraction of the overall money spent and, by and large, the rest of those loans were successful And, sure, Bush tried to get an even worse loan passed for the same company before he left office, but still.

It's Obama.

It was also such a horrible investment that it attracted twice as much money from private investors, most notably the Walton family.

it wasn't an investment. It was a loan guarantee.
 
that bosnian sniper
2012-01-19 11:18:05 AM
A Dark Evil Omen: The real story: The Obama campaign is starting to pull the starter cord.

Lulz impending in 3...

I like to think of it as the point in the morning where the Obama campaign set the alarm clock two hours early because it knows it won't get up on its own unless the alarm clock's been going off long enough to piss it off enough to get out of bed to turn it off. The alarm clock just went off, and the Obama campaign knows it's time(ish...) to wake up but also knows it has two additional hours to sleep since it set the alarm clock early to accomodate just this kind of thing. So it just hits the snooze, blows off a thunderous fart, rolls over and goes back to sleep.

That's this campaign spat.
 
Dhusk
2012-01-19 11:18:43 AM
The GOP? Rely on 'evidence'?

Lol. Yeah Right. They're the kind of people who would deny Godzilla was attacking even as he was stomping repeatedly on their heads.
 
LasersHurt
2012-01-19 11:20:05 AM
skullkrusher: It was also such a horrible investment that it attracted twice as much money from private investors, most notably the Walton family.

it wasn't an investment. It was a loan guarantee.

Still, his larger point was that "investing" in Solyndra seemed like a good idea to a lot of people, not just the government. It maybe was a bad choice, but it's far from the crony collusion people accuse it of being, as evidenced by the fact that it seemed desirable to all sorts of people.
 
skilbride
2012-01-19 11:23:13 AM
liverleef: 30 billion tax payer dollars lost in fraud related to the Iraq war?
Meh

500 million lost related to Solyndra

OMG Wharrgarbl!

You know, everyone acts like congress didn't have the power to bring them back...
 
kbronsito [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 11:23:55 AM
Aarontology: And all Obama will have to do is counter with "Romney pays a lower tax rate than you do"

I don't think Mitt Romney wants to get into a debate about an Obama program investing in a company that went bankrupt.
 
Jackson Herring [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 11:25:23 AM
LasersHurt: /stealing someone else's schtick

I consider it an homage
 
Ricardo Klement [TotalFark]
2012-01-19 11:26:21 AM
No one can deny the Solyndra thing was a fiasco. It's understandable why people raise an eyebrow over it and the appearance of corruption - it's hardly the least suspicious thing to have happened in government.

But without more evidence, that dog *probably* won't hunt. (More evidence might result in Obama really having had inappropriate dealings, or the media might find a way to destroy the man only to say "oops - our bad" long after. Wouldn't be the first time for either.)

The thing that always gives me pause to say that Obama is a party ideologue with whom you cannot reason is that he has been willing to change his stand on something with new evidence. He moderated his gun-control stance (Fast & Furious conspiracy theories notwithstanding) after the Heller decision and he changed his position on nuclear power - both towards the right. I have to respect him for that. But I suppose economics is too split a field for him to change his mind on the stimulus.
 
Fart_Machine
2012-01-19 11:26:28 AM
skullkrusher: it wasn't an investment. It was a loan guarantee.

You missed the point. For the private individuals that put in over a billion dollars it was an investment.
 
pxsteel
2012-01-19 11:26:35 AM
Lost Thought 00: pxsteel: s2s2s2: Secretive Billionaires? Who are these Secretive Billionaires?

If that ad was aimed at the independants, it fails badly. Right or wrong, I got demogoguery, BS, BS, BS and who cares.

Independents don't start paying attention until roughly late August and early September.

Traditionally you're right. However, Independents like me know we put him over the top in 08 and have been paying very close attention for three years. The Saved or Created claim goes over like a lead balloon. The reported jobless rate is 8.5% and everyone knows the real rate is higher than that.
 
watson.t.hamster
2012-01-19 11:26:50 AM
Elect me because I only threw half a billion dollars of your money down a rathole (in this single case).

Well that's an interesting tactic.
 
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