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(Some Guy)   Costa Cruise Exec blasts survivors for 'sensationalism,' says they should have just tripped into a lifeboat like the captain and first officers   (news.sky.com) divider line 103
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2012-01-19 09:56:36 AM
I suppose the dead can't complain about their lack of rescue...
 
2012-01-19 10:16:59 AM
get back on the ship, cazzo.
 
2012-01-19 10:19:14 AM
Wow, that's pretty farking ballsy.
 
2012-01-19 10:19:18 AM
Hey. If it makes you feel better by critizing the passengers, I say go for it. You know, whatever floats your boat.
 
2012-01-19 10:19:48 AM
That thud you just heard was the sound of Costa's lawyers and PR firm beating said executive to death with baseball bats.

Also the heroes appear to have been the resident of the island, including the Mayor who appears to have climbed onboard the ship after the Captain and his command staff ran like hell.
 
2012-01-19 10:20:31 AM
Well, at least the survivors will receive a coupon for 15% off their next capsizing.
 
2012-01-19 10:21:20 AM
This will go over as well as the BP guy biatching about missing his vacation.
 
2012-01-19 10:21:24 AM
i40.tinypic.com
 
2012-01-19 10:22:30 AM

ha-ha-guy: That thud you just heard was the sound of Costa's lawyers and PR firm beating said executive to death with baseball bats.

Also the heroes appear to have been the resident of the island, including the Mayor who appears to have climbed onboard the ship after the Captain and his command staff ran like hell.


I think it's time to rebrand the business as an adventure tour.
 
2012-01-19 10:22:41 AM
It's not every day you hear a company executive call the people whom his company nearly killed in spectacular fashion a bunch of whiners. Balls? Idiocy? Who cares?
 
2012-01-19 10:23:08 AM
I waited years for my ship to come in. Unfortunately it was the Costa Concordia.
 
2012-01-19 10:23:13 AM
Assistant director Monica Bova said to hear passengers who were safe and sound on the docks say "no-one saved us" was outrageous.

Kind of no getting around that nobody saved the dead people, Monica. How about you address that?
 
2012-01-19 10:24:07 AM
"Hiking the Appalachian Trail" = having an affair

add to the list
"Tripping into lifeboat" = running away
 
2012-01-19 10:26:14 AM
First rule for any exec who's company is involved in a disaster: DO NOT TALK.

Why is that so hard for these knuckleheads to grasp.
 
2012-01-19 10:26:41 AM

indylaw: It's not every day you hear a company executive call the people whom his company nearly killed in spectacular fashion a bunch of whiners. Balls? Idiocy? Who cares?


Are we about to get hit by a massive class action? Yes we are. Lets write nasty letters and bias the entire jury pool against us, in case legal didn't hate us enough already!

/no wonder these people had their ship sink
//I feel like legal discovery is going to turn up all kinds of fun documents on this company
 
2012-01-19 10:26:48 AM
BP likes the cut of your jib sir.
 
2012-01-19 10:27:27 AM

HotWingConspiracy: Assistant director Monica Bova said to hear passengers who were safe and sound on the docks say "no-one saved us" was outrageous.

Kind of no getting around that nobody saved the dead people, Monica. How about you address that?


Why would you waste time saving dead people?
 
2012-01-19 10:27:34 AM
Honestly, I am looking forward to the court case. I hope the Captain and whoever else left the boat go to prison. And I hope everyone gets millions in damages.

I'm also glad I don't own Carnival stock.
 
2012-01-19 10:28:45 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: HotWingConspiracy: Assistant director Monica Bova said to hear passengers who were safe and sound on the docks say "no-one saved us" was outrageous.

Kind of no getting around that nobody saved the dead people, Monica. How about you address that?

Why would you waste time saving dead people?


Well theoretically they weren't dead at the time of the crash. Because it would be weird if they let corpses take cruises.
 
2012-01-19 10:28:57 AM
I just heard a guy talking about the lifeboat situation this morning, and he said that once the ship hits a 15 degree list, the lifeboats are useless--the ones on the leaning side are too far out to get to, and the other ones are lying on the side of the ship and can't be used either. You might be able to get into them, but they can't be lowered.

So unless they started the evacuation immediately (that wasn't done), most of the lifeboats couldn't even be used (? ) I bet the captain knew that--that's why he was among the first to get in one.
 
2012-01-19 10:31:34 AM
Yeah, that's some great PR skills that'll work.
 
2012-01-19 10:36:00 AM

cryinoutloud: I just heard a guy talking about the lifeboat situation this morning, and he said that once the ship hits a 15 degree list, the lifeboats are useless--the ones on the leaning side are too far out to get to, and the other ones are lying on the side of the ship and can't be used either. You might be able to get into them, but they can't be lowered.

So unless they started the evacuation immediately (that wasn't done), most of the lifeboats couldn't even be used (? ) I bet the captain knew that--that's why he was among the first to get in one.


The stupid thing about lifeboat davits and having to lower them is they have other options. When I used to float around on a LHD they had capsules you tossed over the side and they inflated into a lifeboat on their own. It was then on you to jump your ass off the side of the boat and swim to it. It was generally assumed by the time you abandon a warship, the boat would be angled to the point you couldn't lower boats anyways.

I have no idea if cruiser ships have to carry this kind of capsule or not, but it seems odd they don't. Clearly lowering boats full of people is better than telling senior citizens "Okay, boat is over there, now jump", but it seems like the capsules would be a good plan B. Throw it and swim for it is better than nothing.
 
2012-01-19 10:36:15 AM
You know... I can sort of understand the point she's getting at in that when the vast majority of people get out safely it's sort of silly to say nobody helped, and I get that most of the crew seems to have tried to help once they realized what had happened....

But Christ... talk about an arrogant and tone-deaf way to make your point. You don't go blasting the legitimately upset victims of a disaster caused by your cowardly captain's wanderlust to make the point that your crew did actually try to do something, you make the point that despite the accusations against the captain they should keep in mind that the rest of the crew did try to help them and don't seem to have the same major character flaws as Captain McPoopInPants.
 
2012-01-19 10:36:31 AM

HotWingConspiracy:

Well theoretically they weren't dead at the time of the crash. Because it would be weird if they let corpses take cruises.


You don't know they weren't dead when they boarded. Those Italians get up to some pretty weird stuff, I hear. In fact, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we hear that from the cruise liner company in a press release: "Yeah, uh, they were like that when they got here."
 
2012-01-19 10:36:41 AM

NightOwl2255: First rule for any exec who's company is involved in a disaster: DO NOT TALK.

Why is that so hard for these knuckleheads to grasp.


It's an arrogance thing you see with so many executives these days.

Sadly, companies try to encourage it.

/have to co-workers who got booted up the the executive suite
//happy to see folks succeed, but the personality change makes it impossible (at the least, very distasteful) to be around them anymore
///thought it was me until I found out that both were being divorced (one is finalized and the other is going through it)
 
2012-01-19 10:37:01 AM

ha-ha-guy: indylaw: It's not every day you hear a company executive call the people whom his company nearly killed in spectacular fashion a bunch of whiners. Balls? Idiocy? Who cares?

Are we about to get hit by a massive class action? Yes we are. Lets write nasty letters and bias the entire jury pool against us, in case legal didn't hate us enough already!

/no wonder these people had their ship sink
//I feel like legal discovery is going to turn up all kinds of fun documents on this company


They can't be sued.
 
2012-01-19 10:40:19 AM
Let me tell you all something: I have an M.D. from Harvard, I am board certified in Astral Navigation and trauma surgery, I have been awarded citations from seven different nautical boards in New England, and I am never, ever sick at sea. So I ask you; when someone goes into that ship's chapel and they fall on their knees and they pray to God that the ship doesn't sink or that they win big in the casino or that their mother doesn't suffer acute neural trauma from dancing on deck, who do you think they're praying to? Now, go ahead and read your Bible, Dennis, and you go to your church, and, with any luck, you might win the annual raffle, but if you're looking for God, he was at the conn on January 13th, and he doesn't like to be second guessed. You ask me if I have a God complex. Let me tell you something: I AM God.
 
2012-01-19 10:41:33 AM
Considering that there were several thousand people on board the ship, and only a couple of dozen dead, I'd say she has a point. Clearly, someone rescued a whole shiatload of people...
 
2012-01-19 10:41:45 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion:
You don't know they weren't dead when they boarded. Those Italians get up to some pretty weird stuff, I hear. In fact, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we hear that from the cruise liner company in a press release: "Yeah, uh, they were like that when they got here."


If those people didn't lead such decadent lives, they wouldn't have died of heart attacks, or would have been able to swim to shore. It's not the cruise line's fault that people can't survive such a minor disaster as a sinking ship.
 
2012-01-19 10:42:24 AM
She'll be "resigning" soon. Her bosses at Carnival will make sure of that.
 
2012-01-19 10:43:00 AM

cryinoutloud: just heard a guy talking about the lifeboat situation this morning, and he said that once the ship hits a 15 degree list, the lifeboats are useless--the ones on the leaning side are too far out to get to, and the other ones are lying on the side of the ship and can't be used either. You might be able to get into them, but they can't be lowered.


Don't most large cruise ships have jetskis in some sort of wet bay? You could always hop on one of those...
 
2012-01-19 10:43:39 AM

WTFDYW: ha-ha-guy: indylaw: It's not every day you hear a company executive call the people whom his company nearly killed in spectacular fashion a bunch of whiners. Balls? Idiocy? Who cares?

Are we about to get hit by a massive class action? Yes we are. Lets write nasty letters and bias the entire jury pool against us, in case legal didn't hate us enough already!

/no wonder these people had their ship sink
//I feel like legal discovery is going to turn up all kinds of fun documents on this company

They can't be sued.


It seems at least some lawyers think they can be (see here and here). As the article states it is uphill battle, but it appears some lawyers are confident they can blow through arbitration and the Athens Convention.
 
2012-01-19 10:44:39 AM

cryinoutloud: Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion:
You don't know they weren't dead when they boarded. Those Italians get up to some pretty weird stuff, I hear. In fact, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we hear that from the cruise liner company in a press release: "Yeah, uh, they were like that when they got here."

If those people didn't lead such decadent lives, they wouldn't have died of heart attacks, or would have been able to swim to shore. It's not the cruise line's fault that people can't survive such a minor disaster as a sinking ship.


img811.imageshack.us
 
2012-01-19 10:44:57 AM
I may be off here and trust me, I recognize that us Americans have pretty much cornered the market on hypocracy/idiocy, etc., but doesn't it seem that the captain's/company's reaction to be quite... Italian? Or Mediterranean at the very least? Folks from that region (Greece, Italy, etc) seem... um... really proud to be from there.
 
2012-01-19 10:45:02 AM

Pelvic Splanchnic Ganglion: HotWingConspiracy:

Well theoretically they weren't dead at the time of the crash. Because it would be weird if they let corpses take cruises.

You don't know they weren't dead when they boarded. Those Italians get up to some pretty weird stuff, I hear. In fact, I'm sure it's just a matter of time before we hear that from the cruise liner company in a press release: "Yeah, uh, they were like that when they got here."


Actually somebody brought cremains on board--they were going to bury them at sea or something. It was in one of the initial articles when people were talking about everything they lost.
 
2012-01-19 10:45:34 AM
The schaudenfreude is delectable.

viad.tv
 
2012-01-19 10:49:49 AM
They were close enough to shore (based on that satellite photo)... people should have just jumped off the boat and swam!! lazy bastards want everyhting handled for them.... "I"m on vacaaaaation"
 
2012-01-19 10:50:05 AM
She sounds like she has a wwebsite as on he internet
 
2012-01-19 10:52:12 AM

ArkPanda:
Actually somebody brought cremains on board--they were going to bury them at sea or something. It was in one of the initial articles when people were talking about everything they lost.


So, they were successful? Then what's the complaint?
 
2012-01-19 10:52:41 AM
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Buona fortuna!!!
 
2012-01-19 10:53:01 AM

Savage Belief: She sounds like she has a wwebsite as on he internet


Uh... what?
 
2012-01-19 11:01:59 AM

I_Am_Weasel: Hey. If it makes you feel better by critizing the passengers, I say go for it. You know, whatever floats your boat.


This is brilliant, and I thank you for it. I L'ed MFAO.
 
2012-01-19 11:04:21 AM
You are not a corporation, therefore you will now shut the fark up. The corporations are talking here.
 
2012-01-19 11:10:07 AM

ha-ha-guy: It was then on you to jump your ass off the side of the boat and swim to it.


I'm'a set everything else about this situation aside and just point one thing out about lifeboats:

The ship seems still to be above water. I have always been taught never, *ever* to get into a life raft until you have to climb up into it. Your life raft option is always worse than a sorta-floating sailboat: There are plenty of examples of crews lost at sea while the "sinking" sailboat they were on was found later. In this case, I'd rather hang out on the big, reasonably-stable (if listing) ship and wait for an evacuation than cram myself into a lifeboat with far-more-than-capacity panicked idiots jammed on board.

But perhaps I am weird. And a cruise ship is very different from a small pleasure boat. But I keep seeing pictures of the grounded ship and thinking, "why panic? It's not going anywhere, and, hey, the bartenders leaped off the boat with the 'captain' -- free mai tais for everyone!"
 
2012-01-19 11:14:35 AM

NightOwl2255: First rule for any exec who's company is involved in a disaster: DO NOT TALK.

Why is that so hard for these knuckleheads to grasp.


I would like to see an exec stand up and take responsibility.

"That was our ship. That was our captain. This is our problem. We will do whatever it takes to make this right, even if it means the end of our company. And to the families who lost a loved one, we are deeply, deeply sorry, and are setting up special endowments so their grandchildren's grandchildren can afford to go to college."

Why do we avoid responsibility at all costs and just wait to get sued into oblivion? If you did the right thing from the farking start, guess what? No one would sue you! And those that did would loose on the grounds that they'd come off as greedy vultures. And people might actually be willing to set foot again on one of your ships sooner rather than later if they felt your company was taking this seriously and making changes and making amends.
 
2012-01-19 11:16:45 AM
Anyone else think the Captain fled because he was drunk?
 
2012-01-19 11:18:38 AM

SFSailor: In this case, I'd rather hang out on the big, reasonably-stable (if listing) ship and wait for an evacuation than cram myself into a lifeboat with far-more-than-capacity panicked idiots jammed on board.


You ever seen a video of a ship capsizing? It's generally *slow list, slow list, slow list, slow ZOMG SPLASH*

And nowadays, cruise ships carry lifeboats designed to be unsinkable (No, no, they've actually been TESTED...I hope). If you are a ship that huge, and it shipping water in open communication with the ocean, and there is no hope of A) The hole being repaired or B) the affected compartment being sealed and the flooding contained, you GTFO sooner rather than later.
 
2012-01-19 11:19:24 AM

solitary: Anyone else think the Captain fled because he was drunk?


He was Italian. Don't they bleed red wine?
 
2012-01-19 11:20:29 AM

SFSailor: ha-ha-guy: It was then on you to jump your ass off the side of the boat and swim to it.

I'm'a set everything else about this situation aside and just point one thing out about lifeboats:

The ship seems still to be above water. I have always been taught never, *ever* to get into a life raft until you have to climb up into it. Your life raft option is always worse than a sorta-floating sailboat: There are plenty of examples of crews lost at sea while the "sinking" sailboat they were on was found later. In this case, I'd rather hang out on the big, reasonably-stable (if listing) ship and wait for an evacuation than cram myself into a lifeboat with far-more-than-capacity panicked idiots jammed on board.

But perhaps I am weird. And a cruise ship is very different from a small pleasure boat. But I keep seeing pictures of the grounded ship and thinking, "why panic? It's not going anywhere, and, hey, the bartenders leaped off the boat with the 'captain' -- free mai tais for everyone!"


In this case though, there is no assurance the boat is actually stable on the rocks. For all anyone knew, once they took on a little more water or the tides shifted, they'd be dragged off the rocks and the boat would go full turtle.

It's one thing when we're in deep water and sinking under control. Suction is really an overblown threat. Also you can kind of figure out "Okay, looks like I have an another hour before the pumps won't be able to keep me afloat" and plan ahead.

Here if the boat slips off the rocks and turtles, you run the risk of ending up in the farked up real world variant of the Poseidon aventure or caught between the boat and the rocks (and potentially slammed into one by the waves and killed). I'd actually wonder if it would have gone better if the Captain didn't try to pull the turn in to the port, but instead trimmed the ship and done his best to control the rate of sinking. People died because when the ship rolled they were injured or trapped by items on the vessel, not due to lack of rescue vessels.

When the boat is half turtled and I have no idea if it is going any further (and I'm looking at ending up being ground between the rocks and the boat), I'm gone.

/all I own is a boat on the Great Lakes though
 
2012-01-19 11:21:59 AM

NIXON YOU DOLT!!!!!: solitary: Anyone else think the Captain fled because he was drunk?

He was Italian. Don't they bleed red wine?


Rumor is prior to taking the bridge he was down at dinner trying to impress some 25 year old blonde girl. He then brought her up to the bridge to continue to try to impress her. So I'm betting booze and his desire to bone a 20 something were impairing his judgement.
 
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