What about the rest of the film?

Ehh.
I expect over the top in an Indy movie. Just couldn't take Mutt....

Midi-chlorians are a microorganism first mentioned in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. They are microscopic life-forms that reside within the cells of all living things and communicate with the Force. They are symbionts with all other living things and without them life could not exist. The Jedi have learned how to listen to and coordinate the midi-chlorians. While every living being thus has a connection to the Force, one must have a high enough concentration of midi-chlorians in one's cells in order to be a Jedi or a Sith.

Virtual Pariah: What about the rest of the film?

Ehh.
I expect over the top in an Indy movie. Just couldn't take Mutt....

This.

The fridge scene never seriously bothered me for the reasons I_C_Weener listed but that character was of zero interest to me, and this was before I jumped on the Shia LaBeouf Hate bandwagon. The Darabont script was all about Indy and Marion. But Lucas rejected that. Probably thought he could kickstart a new Mutt Williams franchise.

It's a movie, people are farking stupid to be still arguing over a movie SCENE.

I_C_Weener: alwaysjaded: George, I'm pretty sure they've been blaming you even without your permission.

I've seen that movie twice and can't ever seem to remember one thing about it. And not in that Fark "my mind blocked out the travesty" meme way. The only thing I seem to remember is the pyramid at the end.

I was more upset at the monkey swinging scene...and the fire army ants that eat people faster than snow melts in a microwave. In theory, a lead lined fridge might protect you from the radiation...not the blast unless it was secured to the ground...instead of, you know...being blown 3 kilometers away. And if he survived the radiation, they still have to find him. I mean, if he gets out and walks to safety, he dies like those in Hiroshima. Basically, what I'm saying is that if he hadn't shot first in Mos Eisley, he would never had been in such a desperate situation to need to do this film.

He drank from the grail, he has a little extra something going for him.

Lucas jumped the shark long before that moment.

Who wants to take credit for the "magnetic gunpowder" scene? Because that's when I gave up on the movie (although I had a bad feeling about it as soon as the Caddyshack gopher appeared).

Bah, I like the fridge scene

Adolf Oliver Nipples: colinspooky: Like it matters. It was a movie. Big balls rolling down corridors is suddenly normal, as is all the other crazy things that happen in escapist movies. Lighten up peeps

Exactly. Nazis melting? A pagan priest ripping hearts out of live people and not killing them? Falling from a Ford Trimotor on a liferaft and not shattering your spine? Totally realistic and beyond reproach. But a lead-lined refrigerator being tossed by a nuclear explosion with a guy surviving? Totally bogus! THIS MOVIE SUCKS!

The fridge nuking scene alone would have not ruined the movie. What ruined the movie was it being a shiatty movie. Every inch of "Indiana Jones and the Most Bullshiat MacGuffin Ever" was an exercise in stretching credulity beyond repair.

The fridge scene was just one of many, many. many idiotic things in that movie. One would be totally fine. Two would be OK. But after the 15th farking time the movie was just insulting.

And personally there are plenty of things in that POS that I disliked a hell of a lot more than the fridge nuke shot.

I_C_Weener: In theory, a lead lined fridge might protect you from the radiation...not the blast unless it was secured to the ground...instead of, you know...being blown 3 kilometers away. And if he survived the radiation, they still have to find him. I mean, if he gets out and walks to safety, he dies like those in Hiroshima.

Not really. The range for lethal doses of ionizing radiation from even a 1 megaton test is actually fairly short ranged: 2.3 kilometers (bit over a mile), and the range where you'd likely get acute radiation sickness (though not immediately lethal) is 2.9 kilometers. Being in a lead-lined fridge would mitigate that.

You'd have to worry about fallout contamination, but that tends to depend on winds. Perhaps the wind was in his favor that day.

The real killer to the idea is that once he got in that fridge, he'd have been locked into it permanently, and suffocated.

colinspooky: Like it matters. It was a movie. Big balls rolling down corridors is suddenly normal, as is all the other crazy things that happen in escapist movies. Lighten up peeps



And you're pretty ignorant if you think THAT scene was unbelievable if you've ever read ANY of the comics or novels.

Ivo Shandor: Who wants to take credit for the "magnetic gunpowder" scene? Because that's when I gave up on the movie (although I had a bad feeling about it as soon as the Caddyshack gopher appeared).

mongbiohazard: What ruined the movie was it being a shiatty movie.

QFT.

Red Letter Media did a review of crystal skull. Ripped everyone over it.

Was there even such a thing as a lead lined refrigerator? Why would such a thing even exist? There may be something like that for specialized situations but in a normal household? I really don't think so.

Icey_M: Bah, I like the fridge scene

You represent everything that ever has been, and ever will be, wrong with humanity.

/You know who else liked the fridge scene?

Jim from Saint Paul: Midi-chlorians are a microorganism first mentioned in Star Wars Episode I: The Phantom Menace. They are microscopic life-forms that reside within the cells of all living things and communicate with the Force. They are symbionts with all other living things and without them life could not exist. The Jedi have learned how to listen to and coordinate the midi-chlorians. While every living being thus has a connection to the Force, one must have a high enough concentration of midi-chlorians in one's cells in order to be a Jedi or a Sith.

I hate you.

I thought Marion driving the jeep and it catching in the tree was a worse scene personally.

I'm surprised he is actually taking the blame for this and not for Jar-Jar.

/I like to pretend that Episode I never happened.
//I also like to pretend that the 2002 Time Machine and 2004 War of the Worlds remakes never happened as well.

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/hot, obviously

Hah, that episode was on tv last night.

i love south park.

brigid_fitch: I thought Darabont's script had the fridge scene?

No, it's more complicated that that - there was an awesome script before Darabont's called Indiana Jones and the Saucer Men from Mars by Jeb Stewart - it had a lot of the same stunts and set-pieces, but in different order and overall, a MUCH better story and a MUCH better Indiana Jones character. It did have the nuke/Fridge scene, but it was about half-way through the movie, and instead of the fridge flying through the air, it was Jones finding a cubby hole in a house and pulling the fridge on top of it and the crawling out of the wreckage after the fact.

Darabont took that script, added Marion, removes the new love interest, and basically sets up the story structure that you see in the final film. It was David Koepp who then took Darabont's turd and polished it and made it (somehow) even stupider.

The whole thing... you know, there's a lot of internet short hand biatching and Lucas-Derrangement syndrome, etc, but the story of how the whole Indiana Jones franchise was destroyed by one horrible botched abortion of a movie is a complicated story and blame can't be laid at the feet of any one person. In fact - and I get that this is blasphemy on ye olde interwebs, but ... - I think Lucas is less to blame.

Bottom line (in the blame game, anyway) - for each of the films, Lucas is the "idea" man. Or "idea" "man", if you will. And then a writer turns that into script and then Ford and Spielberg have to approve it and then Spielberg directs. The Saucer Men script was completed in 1997 - it sat around for a LONG time, being "vetoed" by Ford and Spielberg. Darabont was brought in to fix the basic "idea" - and by that, he took a pretty interesting script and dumbed it down, and played to the cheap seats by bringing back Marion and adding buffoonery. All parties vetoed this script, but someone David Koepp managed to beat the script into moronic submission and get approval from all parties.

You could argue that Lucas had a bad "idea" - a flawed premise - Indiana Jones - famed Nazi Fighter of the 30s shouldn't be fighting Space Aliens in the 50s - fair enough. (though to be clear - Stewart's script took place in 1948 or 1949) Personally, I thought it was a clever way to move forward - too many years passed since the last one - Ford was too old to be realistically the same guy he was last time we saw him in 1938 or whenever. And if you've moved forward in time, set the story as such. Likewise, Aliens are just as silly as religious artifacts. That stuff never bothered me. But I can see how some would take issue with the premise and for that, yes, Lucas can be blamed.

In fact - Lucas can be blamed for leaving his name on the finished product. Were I he, I would have used my "veto" card at that point, or walked away from it. Crystal Skull was such a devistatingly bad movie - such a career killer for all-involved, spiritually, morally, creatively - I wouldn't have allowed my name on it.

((I hear people biatch and moan all the time about how the new Star Wars raped their childhoods and how they are so wounded and I think "oh, grow up. It's just a movie." Then I saw Crystal Skull and ... suddenly, I understand their pain.))

But Lucas just came up with the idea and produced it. Ford and Spielberg could have kept vetoing, frankly. And then they both went on to make the wretched thing. Ford sleepwalked his way through - they even made him look old by having him covered in "dust" though the whole movie, frfuggssake. He was no longer cool Indy Jones, but instead a weak patheic dusty old man following Shia LaBouef around a jungle with a naggy old wife.

GOD DAMNIT. GOD DAMNIT. How did that happen? I forgot how mad this abortion makes me. GOD DAMNIT.

GAH. If I ever commit suicide, it'll be because of one of two reasons - either someone put their bare feet on my face or I was forced to see this movie again.

ANYWAY - all the versions of the scripts are on-line these days - the Jeb Stewart, the Frank Darabont, the David Koepp. Not like the old days of knowing someone at Lucasfilm or perusing script merchants in H'wood. Easy-peasy. Go reasearch on your own. There's even other things out there like the Indiana Jones and the Sons of the Desert - an awful script, which is, in fact, the first time Marion shows up with a mystery kid. My understanding was that this one isn't a Lucas "idea" but a spec script that made it through the gates. It pre-dates the Darabont and Koepp drafts, though not sure if it predates Stewart. It has nothing in common with any of the other scripts, save Marion and a bastard child. And it's GOD-AWFUL and difficult to read/follow.

Spielberg was engaged in pure money-makiing mode. Can you blame him? He's old and probably tired. Making crappy movies is just easier.

I never saw the film, and with the giant cgi monkey scene I heard about, and now this I'm glad I didn't.
/and won't

Spielberg was engaged in pure money-makiing mode. Can you blame him? He's old and probably tired. Making crappy movies is just easier.

Part of the problem is their success. If Spielberg had the money to make the Jaws movie he wanted to put onscreen, it would've been half the movie it became.

Andromeda: He claimed that if the fridge was lead-lined, if Indy didn't break his neck and he was able to open the door, he would survive. "The odds of surviving that refrigerator - from a lot of scientists - are about 50-50," Lucas said.

I would like to meet these scientists of whom you speak, because I know "a lot of scientists" too and all of us know it was beyond farking stupid.

I'm wondering if they even did a simulation of what would have happened to that fridge

Mugato: The CGI monkeys, the rapier duel and the CGI ants were worse than the fridge, easily. And you have to blame Spielberg for all of that shiat.

Still, I thought Last Crusade was goofier.

Indy posing as a Scottish interior decorator made me wince harder than anything in KOTCS.

Fridge scene = Impossible, but Indy comes off looking like a badass.
Scottish interior decorator = Indy is a buffoon

And I can now safely feel like I can give Spielberg a pass for KOTCS after seeing Tintin, where he worked with Peter Jacksonm as producer instead of Lucas, and could work with Herge's storylines instead of Lucas'.

loonatic112358: Andromeda: He claimed that if the fridge was lead-lined, if Indy didn't break his neck and he was able to open the door, he would survive. "The odds of surviving that refrigerator - from a lot of scientists - are about 50-50," Lucas said.

I would like to meet these scientists of whom you speak, because I know "a lot of scientists" too and all of us know it was beyond farking stupid.

I'm wondering if they even did a simulation of what would have happened to that fridge

Paging Mythbusters....

I will forgive Lucas when he has himself surgically altered to look like Jar-Jar Binks. Big floppy ears, grotesque tongue, eye enlargement, the works.

Let him have to see his failure every time he sees himself.

The insulting thing wasn't the fridge scene... the insulting thing is Lucas acting like that this was the main problem with the film.

This movie was no worse the Temple of Doom.

They only rip out a guy's heart and have the guy still live to look down at his closing wound.

And a voodoo doll that WORKED.

And Kate Capshaw SCREAMING THE WHOLE TIME.

It at least had Short Round. It had that going for it.

I never before thought to try to imagine what his face would look like without that beard. I'm not sure we would be left with any hint as to where his jaw bone might be.

Jim from Saint Paul: This movie was no worse the Temple of Doom.

They only rip out a guy's heart and have the guy still live to look down at his closing wound.

And a voodoo doll that WORKED.

And Kate Capshaw SCREAMING THE WHOLE TIME.

It at least had Short Round. It had that going for it.

To be fair about the ripping the beating heart out:

A: It was cool
B: Supernatural Abilities are part and parcel of Indy's world

I have no idea whether Voodoo dolls exist in any form in Hindu mythology, but maybe they do, a lot of sympathetic magic stuff crosses cultures. Kate Capshaw was sleeping with the director, and at least she was great for the opening dance number and the scene in the Obi Wan.

Fano: Jim from Saint Paul: This movie was no worse the Temple of Doom.

They only rip out a guy's heart and have the guy still live to look down at his closing wound.

And a voodoo doll that WORKED.

And Kate Capshaw SCREAMING THE WHOLE TIME.

It at least had Short Round. It had that going for it.

To be fair about the ripping the beating heart out:

A: It was cool
B: Supernatural Abilities are part and parcel of Indy's world

I have no idea whether Voodoo dolls exist in any form in Hindu mythology, but maybe they do, a lot of sympathetic magic stuff crosses cultures. Kate Capshaw was sleeping with the director, and at least she was great for the opening dance number and the scene in the Obi Wan.

Yes, the opening song was good too. Forgot about that.

So magic is okay, but by god DO NOT FARK WITH PHYSICS!!! ?

Am I catching the drift?

Mugato: Fano: A: It was cool
B: Supernatural Abilities are part and parcel of Indy's world

I agree, even though I'm arguing that Indy 4 wasn't as terrible as people say, there's a difference in suspension of disbelief between the natural and supernatural. Which is why people don't have a problem with the fact that God will kick your ass if you look into the Ark but have an issue with Indy hanging onto a U-boat for however long it took to get to whatever island they were going to.

And of course a lounge singer chick is going to be a whiny coont if you drag her into some hellish Kali worshiping temple. I know I would be and I can't even sing.

Making you a lounge chick?