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I always found it cheap in say baseball when a batter gets a hit and blows out a knee rounding first and is laying on the ground that they walkover and tag him out.

To be fair, that shouldn't be needed. Since if the refs were paying attention they'd stop the game considering there are two players rolling around on the field in significant pain.

That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

I hate flopping in soccer as much as you, but even with that crappy quality video, you can see the goalie very clearly took a knee to the head.

He was, of course, immediately executed after the match.

Those arabs might not be so bad after all.

pute kisses like a man: Time Traveling Bunnies: swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

Goalies don't play that shiat. They'll get up even if they are injured.

Kudos for the forward. That's kinda awesome.

and, if i'm not mistaken, does play stop immediately for an injury? It would if there were a penalty, but was there a penalty?

I seem to remember, from playing soccer as a kid, that there were times when people hit the ground from a non-penalty related injury, and the play kept going until it went out of bounds. or at least until there was a better stopping point.

I figured it was to prevent a non-penalty flop from stopping a breakaway or something.

/ i don't know the rules to soccer. it was over 15 years since I last played

Pretty much. A ref shouldn't stop play on an obvious goal-scoring opportunity for a non-penalty. Same with at the end of half/game--only a ref with a death wish would blow his whistle then, they'll wait till the ball goes ob or reaches around midfield.

puckrock2000:
I hate flopping in soccer as much as you, but even with that crappy quality video, you can see the goalie very clearly took a knee to the head.

So I guess he used to be a goalie, but then he took a knee to the head?

swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer football how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

FTFU.

/Are there any bigger pussies then those in American Armored Wankball. 3 hours to play a 1 hour game? Pussies.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Easy goal is a stretch, but yeah, that was good sportsmanship.

This. He had one defender on him, one a few feet away, and still another in the mouth of the goal, in case he did manage to get a shot off. Good sportsmanship, yes, but I wonder if he realized perhaps his best chance to score would be if he had at least one uninjured teammate up in support.

The thing I hate most about when teams do this is that, when the team benefiting from the temporary stoppage in play throws the ball back in-bounds, they usually bomb it deep to the opposing goalie, forcing the opposing team to pretty much start over, rather than wherever they'd last possessed the ball.

Slaves2Darkness: swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer football how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

FTFU.

/Are there any bigger pussies then those in American Armored Wankball. 3 hours to play a 1 hour game? Pussies.

Hey at least they don'tflop on the ground when an opponent comes within a foot of them

I felt bad for the guy who hit the goalie...he took a shot in the knee and got flipped over, yet everyone on the field was standing around to help the goalie out while the other guy is lying on the ground 20 feet away. Eventually you see just one person coming from the sidelines in his direction to help him.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: Easy goal is a stretch, but yeah, that was good sportsmanship.

Easy goal is an enormous stretch. There were still 2 defenders in the way. Kudos yes, sportsman of the year, notsomuch.

machoprogrammer: Slaves2Darkness: swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer football how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

FTFU.

/Are there any bigger pussies then those in American Armored Wankball. 3 hours to play a 1 hour game? Pussies.

Hey at least they don'tflop on the ground when an opponent comes within a foot of them

They prefer to do it when their opponents are further away:


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It's happened before: Paulo Di Canio (playing for West Ham) v. Everton. Tie game late, goalie in launching a goal kick blows out the ACL on his kicking leg, ball falls right to DiCanio, open goal, sees the keeper down, dribbles it out of play. Game ends shortly thereafter; Harry Redknapp (then-West Ham manager) said (paraphrasing) it was a great sporting gesture, but hoped the gesture wouldn't cost them getting relegated.

It didn't, and DiCanio received an award for sportsmanship at the end of the year. Remember, this was the same DiCanio that (while playing for Sheffield Wed.) was sent off v. Arsenal for shoving the ref to the ground.

Slaves2Darkness: /Are there any bigger pussies then those in American Armored Wankball. 3 hours to play a 1 hour game? Pussies.

That's kind of the reason american football is so dangerous. There is so much downtime for each individual player that they are able to maintain maximum speed after every ball snap.

Soccer has more continuous action, but at a more staid and sustainable pace. Even then the players are usually running on fumes by the end.


/also, its spelled American Armoured Wankball, for bonus euroweenie points

Time Traveling Bunnies: Goalies don't play that shiat. They'll get up even if they are injured.

This. It's a reflex, really. As the last line of defense, the GK treats the ground like a giant hot plate. You dive or do whatever you have to do to stop a shot, but you never spend an unnecessary instant lying on the ground.

Cubicle Jockey: Slaves2Darkness: /Are there any bigger pussies then those in American Armored Wankball. 3 hours to play a 1 hour game? Pussies.

That's kind of the reason american football is so dangerous. There is so much downtime for each individual player that they are able to maintain maximum speed after every ball snap.

Soccer has more continuous action, but at a more staid and sustainable pace. Even then the players are usually running on fumes by the end.


/also, its spelled American Armoured Wankball, for bonus euroweenie points


Oh sorry I did not realize it was supposed to be said in a French accent.

machoprogrammer: Hey at least they don'tflop on the ground when an opponent comes within a foot of them

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ha-ha-guy: To be fair, that shouldn't be needed. Since if the refs were paying attention they'd stop the game considering there are two players rolling around on the field in significant pain.

If that were the case, soccer wouldn't have any action at a-... Right...

puckrock2000: swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

I hate flopping in soccer as much as you, but even with that crappy quality video, you can see the goalie very clearly took an knee to the headarrow to the knee.

Having watched the MLS to give me a reference point for bad soccer, I'm sorry to report to everybody: that was an attempted shot on goal.


And btw, US Sports fans cannot talk about flopping... at all.

NFL players flop all of the time. They go down, stop play for several minutes, and return the next play.

NBA players.. obvious flops all of the time

NHL players dive all of the time... in fact, NHL players consistently will grab an opponents stick, hold it against their body, and fall down.

MLB - Tough to dive in the MLB, but I've seen players pretend to get hit by a pitch.

swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

Because it wasn't Marta?

Rwa2Play- agreed. Remember that game well- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCxvCsgHnk0

MugzyBrown: MLB - Tough to dive in the MLB, but I've seen players pretend to get hit by a pitch.

Indeed. Here is Chase Utley not getting hit by a pitch (new window) and being awarded first base (new window) to spell the beginning of the end for the Reds in the 2010 playoffs.

You know what else stops play? A goal.

Rwa2play: It's happened before: Paulo Di Canio (playing for West Ham) v. Everton. Tie game late, goalie in launching a goal kick blows out the ACL on his kicking leg, ball falls right to DiCanio, open goal, sees the keeper down, dribbles it out of play. Game ends shortly thereafter; Harry Redknapp (then-West Ham manager) said (paraphrasing) it was a great sporting gesture, but hoped the gesture wouldn't cost them getting relegated.

It didn't, and DiCanio received an award for sportsmanship at the end of the year. Remember, this was the same DiCanio that (while playing for Sheffield Wed.) was sent off v. Arsenal for shoving the ref to the ground.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWdf5ZLbtYo

swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

Keepers rarely fake injury when the opponents have the ball.

Rwa2play: It's happened before: Paulo Di Canio (playing for West Ham) v. Everton. Tie game late, goalie in launching a goal kick blows out the ACL on his kicking leg, ball falls right to DiCanio, open goal, sees the keeper down, dribbles it out of play. Game ends shortly thereafter; Harry Redknapp (then-West Ham manager) said (paraphrasing) it was a great sporting gesture, but hoped the gesture wouldn't cost them getting relegated.

It didn't, and DiCanio received an award for sportsmanship at the end of the year. Remember, this was the same DiCanio that (while playing for Sheffield Wed.) was sent off v. Arsenal for shoving the ref to the ground.

The FIFA Fair Play award. This is also the same DiCanio who is an admitted fascist with close ties to Lazio's right-wing support yet played for Celtic briefly despite our anti-fascism. He's the most cryptic man in football, IMO.

Our coach in high school set a team rule for us that if we saw a guy go down and the refs missed it, we were supposed to point at the guy on the ground and send the ball out of play. In my four years, we did it twice, and both times the other team returned the manners by gently throwing it in to our defense.

/csb

Paolo DiCanio Fair play... say what you will, he's the king
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puckrock2000: swahnhennessy: That was the classy thing to do, of course, but in soccer how would you know he really needs help? I hardly watch it anymore but I'm still so cynical and jaded in regards to embellishing injuries that I can't imagine being a player and taking anything other than a severed limb seriously.

I hate flopping in soccer as much as you, but even with that crappy quality video, you can see the goalie very clearly took a knee to the head.

Looked more like a shin to the throat to me

MugzyBrown: MLB - Tough to dive in the MLB, but I've seen players pretend to get hit by a pitch.

Not MLB but pretty funny Link (^)

Keller: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCxvCsgHnk0

stickymichael: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EWdf5ZLbtYo

Yep, that's the one. Missed on the details but yeah, DiCanio could've just put it in the back of the net and instead stopped it. Got applauded by Everton fans afterward by putting sportsmanship ahead of getting over the Toffees.

Gordon Bennett: Rwa2play: It's happened before: Paulo Di Canio (playing for West Ham) v. Everton. Tie game late, goalie in launching a goal kick blows out the ACL on his kicking leg, ball falls right to DiCanio, open goal, sees the keeper down, dribbles it out of play. Game ends shortly thereafter; Harry Redknapp (then-West Ham manager) said (paraphrasing) it was a great sporting gesture, but hoped the gesture wouldn't cost them getting relegated.

It didn't, and DiCanio received an award for sportsmanship at the end of the year. Remember, this was the same DiCanio that (while playing for Sheffield Wed.) was sent off v. Arsenal for shoving the ref to the ground.

The FIFA Fair Play award. This is also the same DiCanio who is an admitted fascist with close ties to Lazio's right-wing support yet played for Celtic briefly despite our anti-fascism. He's the most cryptic man in football, IMO.

Yeah, strange individual. But he could score some incredible goals and right now is the manager of Swindon Town who just knocked out Wigan in the FA Cup.

I gave up a goal to mend a bloody nose, on the other team- way before U2bs

MugzyBrown: I always found it cheap in say baseball when a batter gets a hit and blows out a knee rounding first and is laying on the ground that they walkover and tag him out.

I agree. Also there was a football (hand-egg) game a week or 2 ago where a running back got clearly KTFO while carrying the ball, and the opposing team stripped it and recovered the fumble. It seems unfair to reward the defending team for being able to successfully take a ball from an unconscious man.

Wouldn't an easy goal have stopped the play just as fast?

whenIsayGO: MugzyBrown: I always found it cheap in say baseball when a batter gets a hit and blows out a knee rounding first and is laying on the ground that they walkover and tag him out.

I agree. Also there was a football (hand-egg) game a week or 2 ago where a running back got clearly KTFO while carrying the ball, and the opposing team stripped it and recovered the fumble. It seems unfair to reward the defending team for being able to successfully take a ball from an unconscious man.


Saints @ 49ers? The defender, Whittner (?), speared (led with the crown of his helmet, instead of the shoulder) Pierre Thomas near the goal line, who went limp and dropped the ball - 49ers recovered, thereby saving themselves a TD-against.

Essentially equivalent to a defender attempting (poorly) to head away an incoming cross or corner, intended for an attacker in the box, but instead simply head-butting the forward into unconsciousness, and leaving the ball for the keeper.

Loomy: Essentially equivalent to a defender attempting (poorly) to head away an incoming cross or corner, intended for an attacker in the box, but instead simply head-butting the forward into unconsciousness, and leaving the ball for the keeper.

Not equivalent. In soccer, permissible contact is primarily based on intent. This isn't a rule so much as a premise from which all other rules are drafted and enforced -- the basis of legal contact with an opposing player is that it's inconsequential or accidental. (It's just that in a field sport where ball possession is generally not assumed, physical contact is going to happen whenever two players try to occupy the same space at the same time.) The rest is just making details explicit. Even then, you can still be called for unsportsmanlike conduct if you knocked someone out and no one thinks it was an accident.

In football, the only rules regarding contact are when and how you hit someone -- never why. As long as it's within the rules, which are generally designed to prevent trauma anyway, you can literally try your hardest to kill someone and it's perfectly legit.

It's very hard to tell from the quality of the video, but it looks like the goalie-shaped blur is going for the other player's leg instead of the ball. The ball seems to be at about waist level in the air when the goaile sweeps in low. I don't suppose there is a higher-quality video of this anywhere?

It looks like the video is from 2010: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_Motevaselzadeh

His team lost the game and was relegated on goal difference at the end of the season, but he did get the FIFA Fair Play Award.

I was playing goalkeeper on Tuesday night when an opposing player kicked the ball as it was coming into my hands. I jammed all my fingers pretty bad, and was prepared to continue, until I felt my middle finger on backwards. I have to admit that I took a knee after I put it back in place.

If this were Italian soccer, I would go ahead and take that shot cos those wankers love to dive.

Real classy, that right there is sportsman of the decade.