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(Chitika) Interesting Kindle Fire already generating one-third more web traffic than the BlackBerry PlayBook, and 50% more traffic than either the Motorola Xoom or Samsung Galaxy Tab. To put it another way, 1/40th as much as the iPad   (insights.chitika.com) divider line 97
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2012-01-18 11:11:05 PM
iPad's been around for 2 years and has the cult of Mac behind it. The Kindle Fire's been out for 2 months, and Amazon's not exactly a hardware powerhouse. I'd say its doing pretty good.

/Owns a Fire
//Owns an iPad 2
///Uses the Fire way more, because its so much more portable.
 
2012-01-19 12:26:49 AM
Got a Fire for my daughter for Xmas, mainly because it was cheaper than an iPad and I was worried she would trash it.

Result: She hasn't bugged me about the iPad anymore, and my wife now borrows the Fire while daughter's at school. Really nice device.
 
2012-01-19 01:29:21 AM
Enjoy my Fire.

Finally releasing some decent games, and it looks like they fixed the Netflix problems.

Amazon Prime is a pretty good service to have with the device. Prime videos look great.

Totally worth $200
 
2012-01-19 01:48:32 AM
The Fire seems to be better for portability. The iPad, at least in my experience, has been better for leaving on the coffee table when I want to check something online really quick but don't feel like opening the laptop.
 
2012-01-19 01:53:18 AM
Is the Fire good for a lot of reading, or is it better to have a separate e-reader and tablet?
 
2012-01-19 02:03:22 AM
Personally I enjoy my ASUS
 
2012-01-19 02:06:40 AM
What would you guys recommend for, say, a mom who barely touches computers but needs something to occassionally email and/or send out resumes. I was thinking something like the Asus eee Transformer and getting the keyboard doc for when she needs to type... I looked at the Fire and liked it, but it seems like the screen is just so tiny...
 
2012-01-19 02:18:48 AM
I love my ASUS Transformer. 80% of the stuff I would have used a full size laptop for, I can use my Transformer, with 16 hours of battery with the keyboard. I'll be using the Transformer for a few years. My next tablet will be whatever version of Transformer is out at the time.

ASUS hit the nail. Making the "computer" the device itself while the keyboard adds more battery life, and more peripheral options is the future. See this taking off with phones as well. Mobile devices where a full screen/keyboard add-on is available, just to supplement the original mobile device, while adding USB, more battery, and a bigger screen and better I/O. ASUS figured out the future of tablet computing. Everyone else, including Apple, will follow in their own way.
 
2012-01-19 02:26:12 AM
I am enjoying my Kindle Fire. It's pretty good for E-books and web-surfing. Haven't really messed around with most of the apps though.
 
2012-01-19 02:36:06 AM
Hm. At $200, it's just so damned tempting. Do they make a car mount for them?
 
2012-01-19 02:38:52 AM
Never mind. If I took the time to actually Google, I'd have a bajillion different answers.
 
2012-01-19 02:41:33 AM
I love my Galaxy Tab 10.1.. After rooting it and throwing in a custom ROM on it because once again Samsung makes incredible hardware but has trained retards developing the software to run on it.
 
2012-01-19 02:50:21 AM
I also enjoy my fire but my iTouch is faster on the web.
 
2012-01-19 03:02:28 AM
ShawnDoc: iPad's been around for 2 years and has the cult of Mac behind it.


The cult of Mac is only able to muster up about 10% of the computer market.
It might be that the iPad is actually a better hardware/software combination then its competitors.


/Don't have an iPad.
 
2012-01-19 04:04:24 AM
ShawnDoc: iPad's been around for 2 years and has the cult of Mac behind it. The Kindle Fire's been out for 2 months, and Amazon's not exactly a hardware powerhouse. I'd say its doing pretty good.

/Owns a Fire
//Owns an iPad 2
///Uses the Fire way more, because its so much more portable.


They're marketing it as a device for primarily reading text, as well, with the rest a sort of secondary "bonus"; content-wise a few megabytes of text is a lot more time investment/use that streaming video (one of the primary advertised uses of the iWhateveritisthismorning)
 
2012-01-19 04:30:33 AM
jingks: Is the Fire good for a lot of reading, or is it better to have a separate e-reader and tablet?

I've read about 100 novels on the Xoom since August (I read lots) and I'd say less devices the better. I don't like the grey e-ink screens as much as the standard black and white of a pdf or the yellow page color on one of the android reader apps.

Any tablet should work.
 
2012-01-19 04:39:25 AM
I agonized for a while over whether to get a Kindle. I loved the portability of it and ability to hold multiple books, but I didn't like the price tag of the ebooks (almost full price for an ebook seems counter-productive to me). But, in the end, I picked up a Fire, and I'm glad I did. I have almost no reason to even turn on my laptop any more.
 
2012-01-19 05:01:00 AM
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2012-01-19 05:03:15 AM
Vaguely Racist Lawn Ornament: I agonized for a while over whether to get a Kindle. I loved the portability of it and ability to hold multiple books, but I didn't like the price tag of the ebooks (almost full price for an ebook seems counter-productive to me). But, in the end, I picked up a Fire, and I'm glad I did. I have almost no reason to even turn on my laptop any more.

Funny you should say that, I have an aging laptop, good for websurfing, diablo2 and that's about it... I havent' opened the thing since I got a Fire in november.
 
2012-01-19 05:16:22 AM
Hacked Nook > kindle fire.
 
2012-01-19 05:42:34 AM
I bought Mrs. Phoenix a Kindle Fire for Christmas, and she loves it... in fact, I don't think she's put it down since.
 
2012-01-19 05:45:17 AM
ShawnDoc: iPad's been around for 2 years and has the cult of Mac behind it. The Kindle Fire's been out for 2 months, and Amazon's not exactly a hardware powerhouse. I'd say its doing pretty good.

Well, I did say that the Fire was the first true competitor to the iPad. It brings similar levels of planned content delivery (rent movies, music, etc from the OEM's own store).

To be generating substantial traffic in 2 months is pretty damn good and I wish Amazon well with it as Apple needs a serious competitor to keep them innovating and frankly all the other slates today, whilst in a slate form factor, haven't been able to meet/beat Apple's content delivery network by a long shot. I feel the others, comparatively, poor sales reflect the consumer wondering WTF do I do with it?
 
2012-01-19 06:16:12 AM
Telos: What would you guys recommend for, say, a mom who barely touches computers but needs something to occassionally email and/or send out resumes. I was thinking something like the Asus eee Transformer and getting the keyboard doc for when she needs to type... I looked at the Fire and liked it, but it seems like the screen is just so tiny...

A $300 laptop from Walmart, so you can actually edit your resume and type decent cover letters.
 
2012-01-19 06:33:37 AM
ShawnDoc: iPad's been around for 2 years and has the cult of Mac behind it. The Kindle Fire's been out for 2 months, and Amazon's not exactly a hardware powerhouse. I'd say its doing pretty good.

I think your overestimating the power of the mac-cultists.

iPad is the closer thing to a single panel notebook and, until the other companies figure that out, its going to continue being a leader.
Make something that's cheaper in a similar form-factor with more notebook like operability, you'll knock iPad off its pedestal.
 
2012-01-19 06:38:48 AM
Telos: What would you guys recommend for, say, a mom who barely touches computers but needs something to occassionally email and/or send out resumes. I was thinking something like the Asus eee Transformer and getting the keyboard doc for when she needs to type... I looked at the Fire and liked it, but it seems like the screen is just so tiny...

I echo jj's statement about laptops. Yes, your mother could edit resumes on a tablet (even one as locked down as an iPad lets you e-mail documents from within Pages). But she might be better with a laptop.

I find the best way of figuring out what, exactly, someone who isn't technically minded wants is to load them in a car and do the grand tour. In my case that's usually Novatech, PC World, Tesco, Apple. That way they can physically play with the thing and decide which one they like/want. As when they do pick one they like you can walk over to a counter and buy it then and there rather than just ordering from a website sight unseen.
 
2012-01-19 06:46:23 AM
way south:
I think your overestimating the power of the mac-cultists.


Most people do. They see the stores jam packed full of kiddies playing with the display units. Truth is 99% of those people couldn't dream of affording the thing they're using, they just want to set their facebook location to be inside an Apple store for some mysterious reason (an actual 'hipster' would set it to Tesco, Wallmart or a homeless shelter because nobody else is). They tend to be quite loud about liking Apple yes, but actually own Apple kit or stock? No.

It's the people you see in their 30's and 40's, buried under the mountain of kids, who are the principal customers with money to spend in those stores. They generally aren't loud at all.
 
2012-01-19 06:58:46 AM
...which accounts for, what, 6% of total web browsing traffic at best?

Yes, among tablet users, the iPad's popular. Among total users, the iPad is a drop in the bucket. This is like watching a slapfight on the short bus - no matter who wins, it doesn't much matter in the larger context.
 
2012-01-19 06:59:38 AM
I'm looking forward to the Kindle Fire forcing the prices of proper tablets down to realistic prices.
 
2012-01-19 07:11:53 AM
jingks: Is the Fire good for a lot of reading, or is it better to have a separate e-reader and tablet?

I have both: A rooted Nook color and a Sony Touch first gen. I flip between the two, and paper books as well. I've been reading a bit more on the Nook as of late (some books are the same on both the Nook and the Sony, but a few are different and the Nook has less), because it's a bit more responsive, and Aldiko Premium has a lot more features than the Sony has. I find that the Sony's much better for outside, and/or in bright light. It also lasts longer on a single charge than the Nook does, although the Nook gets used for other stuff more often. It really depends on how you plan on, and where you plan on using your device.

Telos: What would you guys recommend for, say, a mom who barely touches computers but needs something to occassionally email and/or send out resumes. I was thinking something like the Asus eee Transformer and getting the keyboard doc for when she needs to type... I looked at the Fire and liked it, but it seems like the screen is just so tiny...

As many have said, get a cheap laptop. Normally I don't buy extended warranties, but I do when I buy laptops, even cheapass ones. I've had a power cable fail, the hinges seize up, and a few other fun problems, and the extended warranty was worth it. My brother has a laptop that had the extended warranty on it, and it went back twice with no issue. The bloody thing is now pushing 6 year old, and it's still running, although it's on its last legs: The thing is held together with electrical tape, and there's no touchpad left, it's a gaping hole. Say what you will about Acer being a shiatty brand, but I'm sold on their product after seeing my brother's Aspire. His Travelmate (yay for student grants), is in much better shape.

lordargent: Hacked Nook > kindle fire.

This! Have you tried the new ICS nightlies (new window) yet? I finally got some stability out of it last night once I ran the v6 Supercharger script (new window), GOlauncher is no longer crashing every 5 minutes. I really like ICS much more than Gingerbread.
 
2012-01-19 07:50:36 AM
FormlessOne: ...which accounts for, what, 6% of total web browsing traffic at best?

Yes, among tablet users, the iPad's popular. Among total users, the iPad is a drop in the bucket. This is like watching a slapfight on the short bus - no matter who wins, it doesn't much matter in the larger context.


Not meaning to troll, but 6% is quite a bit when your talking about overall share of the internet going to a single brand of device.
I think it shows that tablets are a viable market and that their users aren't just buying them to look trendy.
 
2012-01-19 08:07:12 AM
Bladel: Got a Fire for my daughter for Xmas, mainly because it was cheaper than an iPad and I was worried she would trash it.

Result: She hasn't bugged me about the iPad anymore, and my wife now borrows the Fire while daughter's at school. Really nice device.


I bought a Fire for my wife for christmas. I'll let you know if she likes it if she ever puts it down. She uses it for everything. For its very low price point I may pick one up for myself. I only wish the screen was a touch larger.
 
2012-01-19 08:11:37 AM
Thinking about picking up a Nook Tablet this weekend.

Better specs than the Fire in every way, plus a microSD slot, for only $50 more.
 
2012-01-19 08:11:50 AM
Kindle Fire = Down-market iPad.

/Shopped Kindle Fires and settled on a Kindle Keyboard WiFi as a reading device.
//The Fire is a very cheap tablet computer without the speed of a computer, the size of a tablet, or the battery life of an e-ink Kindle.
///Sent from my Enigma Machine.
 
2012-01-19 08:13:19 AM
Doc Daneeka: Thinking about picking up a Nook Tablet this weekend.

Better specs than the Fire in every way, plus a microSD slot, for only $50 more.


I looked at an issue of National Geographic on a color Nook the other day and it was spectacular. Small screen, though.
 
2012-01-19 08:15:36 AM
Vaguely Racist Lawn Ornament: but I didn't like the price tag of the ebooks (almost full price for an ebook seems counter-productive to me).

Note that you own the books forever and they're stored on the cloud. Plus, there are oodles of free out-of-copyright books available as well.
 
2012-01-19 08:16:58 AM
HotIgneous Intruder: Doc Daneeka: Thinking about picking up a Nook Tablet this weekend.

Better specs than the Fire in every way, plus a microSD slot, for only $50 more.

I looked at an issue of National Geographic on a color Nook the other day and it was spectacular. Small screen, though.


I think 7" is the size that I want though.

The wife has an iPad 2, and while it's a really nice device, the 10" size is a bit large for something I'd want to throw in my bag, carry around, and also use as an ereader.
 
2012-01-19 08:24:12 AM
taurusowner: I love my ASUS Transformer. 80% of the stuff I would have used a full size laptop for, I can use my Transformer, with 16 hours of battery with the keyboard. I'll be using the Transformer for a few years. My next tablet will be whatever version of Transformer is out at the time.

ASUS hit the nail. Making the "computer" the device itself while the keyboard adds more battery life, and more peripheral options is the future. See this taking off with phones as well. Mobile devices where a full screen/keyboard add-on is available, just to supplement the original mobile device, while adding USB, more battery, and a bigger screen and better I/O. ASUS figured out the future of tablet computing. Everyone else, including Apple, will follow in their own way.


Damn, I thought I was an Asus fanboy...

/laptop, netbook, router, video card, and mobo
 
2012-01-19 08:30:03 AM
I really like my fire. Once I loaded the right apps, it has really become helpful to me in school. I can do some light editing to Office Documents, and Dropbox makes file transfers effortless.
 
2012-01-19 08:30:18 AM
Tourney3p0: The Fire seems to be better for portability. The iPad, at least in my experience, has been better for leaving on the coffee table when I want to check something online really quick but don't feel like opening the laptop.

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and you thought you had it bad
 
2012-01-19 08:36:33 AM
Doc Daneeka: HotIgneous Intruder: Doc Daneeka: Thinking about picking up a Nook Tablet this weekend.

Better specs than the Fire in every way, plus a microSD slot, for only $50 more.

I looked at an issue of National Geographic on a color Nook the other day and it was spectacular. Small screen, though.

I think 7" is the size that I want though.

The wife has an iPad 2, and while it's a really nice device, the 10" size is a bit large for something I'd want to throw in my bag, carry around, and also use as an ereader.


If you go with the Nook, here's some stuff you might be interested in: Link

I've linked the Tablet specific forum, but I've depended upon them for my Color. In my previous post, I've linked the supercharger script, which is a godsend for the Nook. The Nook Tablet does has more memory, storage space, and a faster processor, but there's been tons more Android development work done on the Nook Color. As I said previously, I have a rooted Nook color, running a test version of CyanogenMod 9 (Ice Cream Sandwich), OC'ed to 1.2 GHz, with the v6 Supercharger script installed.

I know a lot of people love the crap out of the Kindle Fire, but the Nook is no slouch either. I love having the MicroSD slot, as it's much more convenient for rooting, and my 8GB Nook becomes a 40GB one. :D

I, like you, also prefer the smaller screen size, as it's much more comfortable for me to hold.
 
2012-01-19 08:45:41 AM
How exactly do they track this stuff? I have a Galaxy Tab 10.1 (gifted to me) but I use Dolphin for a browser, spoofing an iPad user agent. If I use the typical Android user agents I ended up with the mobile/phone website variants which suck for a 10" tablet.


styckx: I love my Galaxy Tab 10.1.. After rooting it and throwing in a custom ROM on it because once again Samsung makes incredible hardware but has trained retards developing the software to run on it.

I'm holding out for CM9. The alphas look good, but they're not quite ready for prime time yet.
 
2012-01-19 09:04:32 AM
Abe Vigoda's Ghost: ShawnDoc: iPad's been around for 2 years and has the cult of Mac behind it.


The cult of Mac is only able to muster up about 10% of the computer market.
It might be that the iPad is actually a better hardware/software combination then its competitors.


/Don't have an iPad.


More like 17% now (new window), making Apple the largest personal computer company in market share.
 
2012-01-19 09:09:14 AM
Wife bought me a Kindle Fire for Christmas. I had the option of getting an iPad, or with the same amount of money the Fire and with the difference, a SSD for my rig.

I made the right choice. The iPad is great, but too big for something that is suppose to be portable.

Didn't like the silk web browser the fire came with, I've been using Marathon...much better.

and Amazon Prime is awesome. Good selection of streaming movies, and their book loaning feature is pretty cool.

But, I have over 300 ebooks on my PC I need to get to, so I won't be buying many books for a while.
 
2012-01-19 09:11:51 AM
Only on Fark could the best selling tablet, in the hands of millions, most of whom don't own any other Apple products, be a "cult of mac" thing.
 
2012-01-19 09:14:25 AM
How much money does Amazon make on each Kindle Fire sold? How much money does Apple make on each iPad sold?
 
2012-01-19 09:16:30 AM
We got the fire for christmas, it's been great.
 
2012-01-19 09:19:49 AM
jingks: Is the Fire good for a lot of reading, or is it better to have a separate e-reader and tablet?

I still prefer to have a dedicated e-reader for books. Apart from the obvious benefits of the screen and battery life being measured in weeks, these things are getting tiny (while maintaining the same screen size) and most are under $100 now.
 
2012-01-19 09:24:07 AM
 
2012-01-19 09:27:23 AM
oh and if you're a comic book fan...you can transfer your CBR and CBZ files over, but don't download the Comix app. Download ComiCat, and sync it, it will scan for the files and load them on to your bookshelf.

It's one of the better CBR readers IMO.
 
2012-01-19 09:46:09 AM
I own a 7" Galaxy Tab, an 8.9" Galaxy Tab and an ipad2, I've spent significant time with Motorola Xoom, Nook Color and Kindle Fire.

First thing: The ipad2 blows if you're not interested in Apple's content ecosystem. It has a low-resolution screen (1024x768), it's heavy for its size (1.3lbs I think?) and it's kind of a pain in the ass to add media to the stupid thing if you don't use itunes. Mostly, though, It's a sub-par e-Reader, media player and web browser, and for all of that it's not even particularly lightweight. I've probably used it for about four hours since I got it and I'm probably going to sell it.

Among the Android tablets, I most especially prefer the Galaxy Tab 8.9". It has a 1280x800 screen, same as the 10" Xoom, but weighs less than 1lb. and is comfortable to hold one handed for long periods of time, something that's very important for an E-reader. Samsung's tablets have very high quality IPS displays, which can be a big differentiating factor in Android-land.

The 7" Galaxy P1000 is also very nice (in particular, it's light and easy to hold), but with a 1024x600 screen, it's not as handy for viewing web pages or reading PDFs. It DOES have upgradeable storage, unlike the other devices. I use it in my car as a GPS and music player.

My biggest knock on the Xoom is the fact that it uses a cheap TN display. It looks dull compared to the Samsung tablets or the ipad2. It's also heavy enough to be problematic, though I think it still weighs less than the ipad2 (yes, hardbound books weigh more than one pound, but aren't quite as limited in how one has to hold them to see their contents, and it's not a big deal if one falls on the floor, either). It has a much closer-to-stock build of Android on it, and I believe there's an update to Ice Cream Sandwich available for it.

The Nook Color is a perfectly acceptable E-reader, though the default software load has some idiosyncrasies that have to be addressed via sideloaded apps or loading someone else's version of Android on it. Specs-wise, it's fairly similar to a 7" Galaxy in most aspects other than the CPU, though I've never actually had one side by side with one to compare the displays.

Finally, the Kindle Fire is an amazing device for the money provided you're already interested in Amazon's content offerings The integration with Amazon's ebooks, music store and streaming video is excellent, especially for people who have a subscription to Amazon Prime. BUT the default OS has a wonky user interface that I didn't like at all. I know it's a little bit slow compared to the Samsung and Motorola tablets, but the content service integration is as good as what Apple has, and it doesn't add insult to injury by costing three times as much, either. If I actually owned a Fire I would be installing CyanogenMod on it immediately, but it's just fine for someone who hasn't used anything else.
 
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