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2012-01-18 07:09:06 PM
Mitt is such a patriot.
 
2012-01-18 07:21:27 PM
A real turd.
 
2012-01-18 07:42:12 PM
Basically in a nutshell, Bain Capital created investment funds in the Caymans that foreign investors could stash money into and Bain would use that money to go do what Bain does and the investors don't have to pay any taxes whatsoever on the profits they made.

Romney likely has money invested in these funds also, but would have to pay the 15% capital gains tax from any income paid to him from these investment funds.

However, because these investment funds attract money that is looking for tax shelter then the returns from those funds are usually much higher than funds not set up for tax shelter purposes so this in fact means that Romney profits from them even if he has to pay the 15% capital gains tax.

So in a nutshell Romney's capital gains are much higher because he has investments in funds that are set up entirely to allow foreign investors to avoid paying US taxes.

And those funds could easily house billions of dollars from some of the biggest criminals in the world, heck, funds like those are where organized crime, dictators, drug kingpins and all sorts of criminals invest their money in so that it can't be tracked while providing a nice return.

Its all legal, but disgusting and unpatriotic as hell, offshore tax havens are a cancer on the worlds financial system...
 
2012-01-18 08:06:16 PM
On Tuesday, Romney disclosed that he has been paying a far lower percentage in taxes than most Americans, around 15 percent of his annual earnings.

WHAT the F*KKITY F*CK???

Kreist. I'm sure it's all legal and everything... but Damn, Mittens. Did you really think no one would figure it out? Or use it?

I will say, though - the only entertainment we're going to get out of the election cycle is watching the GOP candidates tear each other up. By the general their party is going to be split six ways from Sunday and whoever emerges from the muck as their candidate is going to have so many battle wounds, it'll be impossible to get elected.
 
2012-01-18 08:20:40 PM
Dammit, this needs to have waited a couple of months. I guess it could get Gingrich or Paul a few wins.
 
2012-01-18 08:22:23 PM
Benevolent Misanthrope: On Tuesday, Romney disclosed that he has been paying a far lower percentage in taxes than most Americans, around 15 percent of his annual earnings.

WHAT the F*KKITY F*CK???

Kreist. I'm sure it's all legal and everything... but Damn, Mittens. Did you really think no one would figure it out? Or use it?

I will say, though - the only entertainment we're going to get out of the election cycle is watching the GOP candidates tear each other up. By the general their party is going to be split six ways from Sunday and whoever emerges from the muck as their candidate is going to have so many battle wounds, it'll be impossible to get elected.


The best part is that the GOP is actually waging all of the "class warfare" that they accuse Obama of perpetuating against one of their own, so Obama doesn't have to during the general. And you know he's sitting on something juicy regarding Romney's money. I guarantee that Romney's Bain money is tied to Iran and other unsavory world actors.
 
2012-01-18 08:26:14 PM
How bootstrappy.
 
2012-01-18 08:31:44 PM
Hobodeluxe: Basically in a nutshell, Bain Capital created investment funds in the Caymans that foreign investors could stash money into and Bain would use that money to go do what Bain does and the investors don't have to pay any taxes whatsoever on the profits they made.

Just for clarity, this practice is not at all limited to Bain. This is very common in the industry. So...yeah.
 
2012-01-18 08:33:20 PM
Fark It: The best part is that the GOP is actually waging all of the "class warfare" that they accuse Obama of perpetuating against one of their own, so Obama doesn't have to during the general. And you know he's sitting on something juicy regarding Romney's money. I guarantee that Romney's Bain money is tied to Iran and other unsavory world actors.

Oh, don't you know it. Obama has access to all the good stuff now. Gingrich probably does, too, with his connections. Mittens, not so much - but you can be he's got employees somewhere at IRS, CIA and FBI. But Obama has the best insiders, you can be sure.

And let's face it - you can be the squeaky-cleanest investor out there and not know that one of your funds had money in companies associated with somebody we don't like this year. Someone like Mittens wouldn't give half a schitt about it as long as he made money and didn't pay taxes. It'll be like shooting fish in a barrel. I mean... if ABC News, of all place, can come up with it...

What do you want to bet it was leaked to them by the Gingrich folks?
 
2012-01-18 08:41:54 PM
I do not see the problem with this. I store all of my assets in the Cayman Islands, too. There is a reason for this. It is a long story but I will explain.

Six o'clock one morning in 1975, someone knocks on my door. My parents answer the door. It's the "Tax Police". They claim that my parents have not paid their taxes. My dad says "We already gave all our money to the government! We paid over one-hundred-percent of our income to the government! We have no more! We are poor!"

"I do not care!", the man said.

It was then that he revealed his name: Taxbongo. "Tax 'em, boys!", Taxbongo said.

I hid under my bed for the next six hours, as Taxbongo tore up the house and raided my piggy bank. "Thank you for the 3.75, and you can assure that I will bring change to the Federal Reserve! Ha, ha, ha, ha!", Taxbongo said.

It was the worst day of my life. It was that day that I made my decision. The next year, I mailed the 4.32 in my piggy bank to an overseas bank account in the Cayman Islands. The Tax Police never came to my house again.

So quite honestly, I do not blame Mitt Romney for doing the same. I do not want my hard-earned cash to be "disappeared" again. I do not want to hope that Taxbongo will never raid my house again. I stored my money in plain sight of the Federal Government and I have learned my lesson. Apparently, Mitchell Romney did, too.

Shut up, libs. You're all fat and your butt smells like anus. Get dunked on, libs. Get dunked on.
 
2012-01-18 09:34:34 PM
Romney isn't just in the 1%; he's in the .1%. He may even be in the .01%, but I can't be bothered to research it and do the math.
 
2012-01-18 09:37:32 PM
Taxes are only for the little people.
 
2012-01-18 09:38:18 PM
GAT_00: Dammit, this needs to have waited a couple of months. I guess it could get Gingrich or Paul a few wins.

I'm fine with that. It makes it more likely to have a split party or a brokered convention.
 
2012-01-18 09:38:32 PM
and they say there is no liberal media bias
 
2012-01-18 09:39:31 PM
I actually visited Halliburton while there once, with a bunch of Rasta friends who were all convinced Halliburton was behind contrails. They were closed.
 
2012-01-18 09:40:27 PM
No obvious tag?
 
2012-01-18 09:42:59 PM
quizzical: GAT_00: Dammit, this needs to have waited a couple of months. I guess it could get Gingrich or Paul a few wins.

I'm fine with that. It makes it more likely to have a split party or a brokered convention.


But if it doesn't, then this whole thing is dead and completely wasted.
 
2012-01-18 09:43:24 PM
GAT_00: Dammit, this needs to have waited a couple of months. I guess it could get Gingrich or Paul a few wins.

Don't worry, Romney will still be an obscenely rich tax cheat in a few months.
 
2012-01-18 09:44:11 PM
Ooooooooh. That's going to be tough to explain in a way that doesn't make you sound like a shiatsack.
 
2012-01-18 09:44:25 PM
Avoiding taxes is such a good thing for a public servant. That NEVER bites you in the ass.
 
2012-01-18 09:45:30 PM
img210.imageshack.us
 
2012-01-18 09:46:13 PM
I'm sorry, but I cannot divulge information about Mitt Romney's secret illegal account.

/It's too hot today.
 
2012-01-18 09:46:22 PM
Hobodeluxe: Basically in a nutshell, Bain Capital created investment funds in the Caymans that foreign investors could stash money into and Bain would use that money to go do what Bain does and the investors don't have to pay any taxes whatsoever on the profits they made.

Romney likely has money invested in these funds also, but would have to pay the 15% capital gains tax from any income paid to him from these investment funds.

However, because these investment funds attract money that is looking for tax shelter then the returns from those funds are usually much higher than funds not set up for tax shelter purposes so this in fact means that Romney profits from them even if he has to pay the 15% capital gains tax.

So in a nutshell Romney's capital gains are much higher because he has investments in funds that are set up entirely to allow foreign investors to avoid paying US taxes.

And those funds could easily house billions of dollars from some of the biggest criminals in the world, heck, funds like those are where organized crime, dictators, drug kingpins and all sorts of criminals invest their money in so that it can't be tracked while providing a nice return.

Its all legal, but disgusting and unpatriotic as hell, offshore tax havens are a cancer on the worlds financial system...


Yup, this guy is a big piece of work.

Legally robbing banks and now taking every advantage of the tax code, and his wealth, to skimp on paying uncle sam.

This folks is what we call an economic leech. Anyone want to care to guess how many "welfare queens" this one man is loophole savings is worth?
 
2012-01-18 09:46:26 PM
quizzical: It makes it more likely to have a split party or a brokered convention.

I can't imagine a brokered convention nowadays, but with this lot of winners I think it is getting more probable all the time. I wonder who the party would draft? Too bad Elizabeth Dole is so old...
 
2012-01-18 09:46:51 PM
Whoops!
 
2012-01-18 09:47:35 PM
You know what?

It's legal and it's exactly the sort of ridiculous bullshiat that so many "conservative" supporters have been championing.

I would not have done anything different if I were him.
 
2012-01-18 09:47:44 PM
i40.tinypic.com
Feels Mittens' pain.
 
2012-01-18 09:50:02 PM
Mike_LowELL: I do not see the problem with this. I store all of my assets in the Cayman Islands, too. There is a reason for this. It is a long story but I will explain.

Six o'clock one morning in 1975, someone knocks on my door. My parents answer the door. It's the "Tax Police". They claim that my parents have not paid their taxes. My dad says "We already gave all our money to the government! We paid over one-hundred-percent of our income to the government! We have no more! We are poor!"

"I do not care!", the man said.

It was then that he revealed his name: Taxbongo. "Tax 'em, boys!", Taxbongo said.

I hid under my bed for the next six hours, as Taxbongo tore up the house and raided my piggy bank. "Thank you for the 3.75, and you can assure that I will bring change to the Federal Reserve! Ha, ha, ha, ha!", Taxbongo said.

It was the worst day of my life. It was that day that I made my decision. The next year, I mailed the 4.32 in my piggy bank to an overseas bank account in the Cayman Islands. The Tax Police never came to my house again.

So quite honestly, I do not blame Mitt Romney for doing the same. I do not want my hard-earned cash to be "disappeared" again. I do not want to hope that Taxbongo will never raid my house again. I stored my money in plain sight of the Federal Government and I have learned my lesson. Apparently, Mitchell Romney did, too.

Shut up, libs. You're all fat and your butt smells like anus. Get dunked on, libs. Get dunked on.


Not bad, but you should have changed the timeline to 1985. Even Taxbongo isn't wiley enough to get hired by the IRS when he was 14.
 
2012-01-18 09:51:12 PM
Besides, tax evasion is patriotic nowadays.

Bootstrappy objectivism, and all...
 
2012-01-18 09:51:44 PM
I guess it's Romney's turn to get lynched by liberals.
 
2012-01-18 09:51:53 PM
Wait... wait... Not that Mitt's finances aren't interesting, but I'm more shocked by the part of this story that seems to have slipped under the radar.

A U.S. network doing actual investigative journalism. On a politician. Have I accidentally fallen through a time portal into 1973, or something? In my time, the news networks tend to just broadcast press releases as if they were facts.
 
2012-01-18 09:53:46 PM
stoli n coke: Mike_LowELL: I do not see the problem with this. I store all of my assets in the Cayman Islands, too. There is a reason for this. It is a long story but I will explain.

Six o'clock one morning in 1975, someone knocks on my door. My parents answer the door. It's the "Tax Police". They claim that my parents have not paid their taxes. My dad says "We already gave all our money to the government! We paid over one-hundred-percent of our income to the government! We have no more! We are poor!"

"I do not care!", the man said.

It was then that he revealed his name: Taxbongo. "Tax 'em, boys!", Taxbongo said.

I hid under my bed for the next six hours, as Taxbongo tore up the house and raided my piggy bank. "Thank you for the 3.75, and you can assure that I will bring change to the Federal Reserve! Ha, ha, ha, ha!", Taxbongo said.

It was the worst day of my life. It was that day that I made my decision. The next year, I mailed the 4.32 in my piggy bank to an overseas bank account in the Cayman Islands. The Tax Police never came to my house again.

So quite honestly, I do not blame Mitt Romney for doing the same. I do not want my hard-earned cash to be "disappeared" again. I do not want to hope that Taxbongo will never raid my house again. I stored my money in plain sight of the Federal Government and I have learned my lesson. Apparently, Mitchell Romney did, too.

Shut up, libs. You're all fat and your butt smells like anus. Get dunked on, libs. Get dunked on.

Not bad, but you should have changed the timeline to 1985. Even Taxbongo isn't wiley enough to get hired by the IRS when he was 14.


Time travel man. He was part of Project Pegasus!

/Only done this once before
 
2012-01-18 09:55:12 PM
Agneska: I guess it's Romney's turn to get lynched by liberals.

If you think only Liberals should be upset by this, you're part of the problem.
 
2012-01-18 09:58:03 PM
indylaw: Ooooooooh. That's going to be tough to explain in a way that doesn't make you sound like a shiatsack.

Fox News is working on that right now.
 
2012-01-18 09:58:51 PM
Splinshints,You know what?
It's legal and it's exactly the sort of ridiculous bullshiat that so many "conservative" supporters have been championing.
I would not have done anything different if I were him.


I know people hate taxes, and many people consider it their job to avoid them. I respect this point of view.

However once taxes are filed, you have to sign the form, and there is one part of a form out there to specifically disclose overseas investments.

At least that is how I think it goes, I am not a tax specialist.

So I say to Mitt, lets see the taxforms biatch. If you disclosed it great. If not then I maybe you don't deserve to be president. If you won't show the tax form, you are hiding something.

/Personally I am seeing Mitt as more corporate whore these days. It looks like there might be some dirt under those squeaky clean caffine-free fingernails after all.
 
2012-01-18 10:00:02 PM
I wish I only paid 15% taxes.
 
2012-01-18 10:00:28 PM
This guy really is the poster child for "Rich Aristocratic Robber Baron". It's unfortunate for him he's running in the wrong century.
 
2012-01-18 10:00:34 PM
Mike_LowELL: I do not see the problem with this. I store all of my assets in the Cayman Islands, too. There is a reason for this. It is a long story but I will explain.

Six o'clock one morning in 1975, someone knocks on my door. My parents answer the door. It's the "Tax Police". They claim that my parents have not paid their taxes. My dad says "We already gave all our money to the government! We paid over one-hundred-percent of our income to the government! We have no more! We are poor!"

"I do not care!", the man said.

It was then that he revealed his name: Taxbongo. "Tax 'em, boys!", Taxbongo said.

I hid under my bed for the next six hours, as Taxbongo tore up the house and raided my piggy bank. "Thank you for the 3.75, and you can assure that I will bring change to the Federal Reserve! Ha, ha, ha, ha!", Taxbongo said.

It was the worst day of my life. It was that day that I made my decision. The next year, I mailed the 4.32 in my piggy bank to an overseas bank account in the Cayman Islands. The Tax Police never came to my house again.

So quite honestly, I do not blame Mitt Romney for doing the same. I do not want my hard-earned cash to be "disappeared" again. I do not want to hope that Taxbongo will never raid my house again. I stored my money in plain sight of the Federal Government and I have learned my lesson. Apparently, Mitchell Romney did, too.

Shut up, libs. You're all fat and your butt smells like anus. Get dunked on, libs. Get dunked on.


It's good to have you back.
 
2012-01-18 10:01:00 PM
PanicMan: indylaw: Ooooooooh. That's going to be tough to explain in a way that doesn't make you sound like a shiatsack.

Fox News is working on that right now.



It's because, uh, the liberals, uh, forced him to do it with their illegal tax confiscation. Yes, and to create jobs for America. Yes, Mitt is a JobCreatortm He needs those millions there to create jobs. Without those tax breaks, he could not have created so many jobs, because the liberals and socialism.
 
2012-01-18 10:05:21 PM
I used to work for KPMG... saw MBSs (Mortgage Backed Securities) used in debt swaps to send Billions and I mean billions and billions of dollars at a time to the Cayman Islands all the time.. No the banks didn't need the 700 billion bail out. they just didn't want to bring the money back in to the U.S. and pay taxes on it.. and maybe have some explaining to do.. it's of course all swept under the rug.
 
2012-01-18 10:06:50 PM
A spokesperson for the Romney campaign says Romney follows all tax laws and he would pay the same in taxes regardless of where the funds are based.

Oh, sure. Lots of people park millions of dollars in the Cayman Islands for no special reason. He just wanted to give some of his money some time in the sun. Money needs a holiday too.
 
2012-01-18 10:08:05 PM
Mike_LowELL: half-assed attempt at trolling

This is terrible. You aren't even trying now. Look, you aren't Pocket Ninja and beloved by thousands just for vomiting onto a page. You're Mike_LowELL. Keep it short and simple.
 
2012-01-18 10:09:04 PM
Hobodeluxe: Basically in a nutshell, Bain Capital created investment funds in the Caymans that foreign investors could stash money into and Bain would use that money to go do what Bain does and the investors don't have to pay any taxes whatsoever on the profits they made.

Romney likely has money invested in these funds also, but would have to pay the 15% capital gains tax from any income paid to him from these investment funds.

However, because these investment funds attract money that is looking for tax shelter then the returns from those funds are usually much higher than funds not set up for tax shelter purposes so this in fact means that Romney profits from them even if he has to pay the 15% capital gains tax.

So in a nutshell Romney's capital gains are much higher because he has investments in funds that are set up entirely to allow foreign investors to avoid paying US taxes.

And those funds could easily house billions of dollars from some of the biggest criminals in the world, heck, funds like those are where organized crime, dictators, drug kingpins and all sorts of criminals invest their money in so that it can't be tracked while providing a nice return.

Its all legal, but disgusting and unpatriotic as hell, offshore tax havens are a cancer on the worlds financial system...


Basically, in a nutshell, ABC News has made some assertions and from the way those assertions were presented, vague and nonspecific though they were, people are drawing conclusions from them that may or may not be correct. And thus we demonstrate that it's not what you say but how you say them that makes it news. That was straight out of the Michael Moore school of journalism.

Now, it may come out that Romney is dirty. I don't care if it does, I'm planning to vote for Obama anyway just like I did in 2008. But what I cannot stand is the way journalism has degenerated into innuendos and outright lies. This report had no substance outside of the fact that Romney's former company has some of his money and the statements can be traced back to a PO Box in the Cayman Islands. Big deal. Show me he's cheating on his taxes (and good luck with that, like a Presidential candidate hasn't already had that triple-checked) and you've got me. Until then this is a non-story.
 
2012-01-18 10:09:26 PM
Enemabag Jones: So I say to Mitt, lets see the taxforms biatch. If you disclosed it great. If not then I maybe you don't deserve to be president. If you won't show the tax form, you are hiding something.

I'm sure his taxes are on the up and up. Mitt is squeaky clean (for a sociopath). It's the shear size of his wealth and expenses which he's afraid of coming out at the moment, as it won't help with the notion that he's a "regular guy".
 
2012-01-18 10:09:51 PM
So Gary Hart being caught with some random floozy was enough to get him drummed out of the presidential race, but this is somehow supposed to be ok? Really?
 
2012-01-18 10:11:10 PM
Dwight_Yeast: as it won't help with the notion that he's a "regular guy".

He's doing a great job of trashing that image without releasing his tax return.
 
2012-01-18 10:11:10 PM
farkityfarker: Romney isn't just in the 1%; he's in the .1%. He may even be in the .01%, but I can't be bothered to research it and do the math.

I think Forbes put his net worth at $200 million.
 
2012-01-18 10:11:43 PM
i264.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-18 10:12:16 PM
AeAe: farkityfarker: Romney isn't just in the 1%; he's in the .1%. He may even be in the .01%, but I can't be bothered to research it and do the math.

I think Forbes put his net worth at $200 million.


Well, hell, that's just middle class. Not like those high-rolling public school teachers.
 
2012-01-18 10:12:41 PM
Lost Thought 00: This guy really is the poster child for "Rich Aristocratic Robber Baron". It's unfortunate for him he's running in the wrong century.

The funny thing is that the robber barons of the 19th century were smart enough to run rubes (usually guys born in log cabins in Ohio) instead of putting themselves out there on the firing line.
 
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