No thanks subby I don't drink natty light or the beast anymore.

it'll get you drunk...

In before bum wines

Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: A dollar for a bottle of beer? I'm pretty sure that's the price per bottle of a case or a six-pack of most non-craft beers and a great many microbrews.

A sixer of cheap-ass beer costs about $5.89 at my store. Craft brews are $6.99, IIRC. The cheapest wine we get is 3-buck Chuck at Trader Joe's, though I do hear tell that Wal-Mart has a private label wine for $1.99 a bottle. I've been thinking to get some to make vinegar out of.

TIL (sorry reddit's down) not everybody lives in the same part of the world where all alcohol costs the same

Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: A dollar for a bottle of beer? I'm pretty sure that's the price per bottle of a case or a six-pack of most non-craft beers and a great many microbrews.

A sixer of cheap-ass beer costs about $5.89 at my store. Craft brews are $6.99, IIRC. The cheapest wine we get is 3-buck Chuck at Trader Joe's, though I do hear tell that Wal-Mart has a private label wine for $1.99 a bottle. I've been thinking to get some to make vinegar out of.

HAHA! my Two-Buck Chuck only costs $2 here in sunny Long Beach!

Wrong.

Dollar drafts were available for a long time in some Boston bars. And that was a reflex muscle spasm that made me throw the chair across the room and toss the table over.

Approves.

coondoggin: TIL (sorry reddit's down) not everybody lives in the same part of the world where all alcohol costs the same

Downvoted for reddit refrence.

My local grocery outlet has a 3lter box of this:



For $3.99. 4 bottles of wine for under 4 bucks.

Is it great? no, but it's not bad either.

Has all hell broken loose around here since this SOPA crap started, or is it just my imagination?
When is Drew's intervention and are we calling the show or doing it locally?

Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: A dollar for a bottle of beer? I'm pretty sure that's the price per bottle of a case or a six-pack of most non-craft beers and a great many microbrews.

A sixer of cheap-ass beer costs about $5.89 at my store. Craft brews are $6.99, IIRC. The cheapest wine we get is 3-buck Chuck at Trader Joe's, though I do hear tell that Wal-Mart has a private label wine for $1.99 a bottle. I've been thinking to get some to make vinegar out of.

$2.99 here. Their Oak Leaf Sauvignon Blanc is a whole lot better than the other cheap wines. Currently about to nap on a bottle. Good stuff if you're tired of getting drunk on liquor. It's a thousand times better than Sutter Home, or whatever the cheap brand is they have on sale at Kroger all the time.

Big Flats I think it is. 2.99 a six pack at Walgreens.

All I know is when Paul Giamatti goes and sits at the bar and orders a glass of wine I knew that movie was going to be totally gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

I do miss that 99 cent six-pack . But we did bury a friend whose last words were "I don't see how they can sell this wine at $1.59 a gallon and still make a profit."

Jake Havechek: All I know is when Paul Giamatti goes and sits at the bar and orders a glass of wine I knew that movie was going to be totally gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

Spoiler, John dies at the end.

Koch's Golden Anniversary, $10.19 per case!

On Tuesday, I can get a 84 ounce bottle of Colt 45 for .89 cents.

And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

When I turned 21, you could get a six of Bud and a pack of smokes, pay with a $5 and still get change back.

What a $1 bottle of beer may look like:

Current Resident: enmunate: Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: A dollar for a bottle of beer? I'm pretty sure that's the price per bottle of a case or a six-pack of most non-craft beers and a great many microbrews.

A sixer of cheap-ass beer costs about $5.89 at my store. Craft brews are $6.99, IIRC. The cheapest wine we get is 3-buck Chuck at Trader Joe's, though I do hear tell that Wal-Mart has a private label wine for $1.99 a bottle. I've been thinking to get some to make vinegar out of.

HAHA! my Two-Buck Chuck only costs $2 here in sunny Long Beach!

I once asked a TJ's manager about the price differences with Two-Buck Chuck. She said that, to the best of her knowledge, the price increased the further east you go.

So...$2 in Long Beach, $3 here in St. Louis (and, I assume, most of the Midwest), and $4 on the East Coast (though I really have no idea, I'm using the half-baked formula).

As I recall, because the wine industry is big on the west coast (oregon, washington, and california) they have very low taxes applied to wines, allowing them to be sold pretty cheap over here.

Jake Havechek: All I know is when Paul Giamatti goes and sits at the bar and orders a glass of wine I knew that movie was going to be totally gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

So the rest of the movie leading up to that point was like Die Hard to you?

Dollar stores in California sell alcohol even on Sunday

snarketyfarker: And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

Someone told me that making darker brews (Stouts, porters) is easier to accomplish than lighter things (Blondes, Pale ales). Is this true?

Benevolent Misanthrope: kronicfeld: A dollar for a bottle of beer? I'm pretty sure that's the price per bottle of a case or a six-pack of most non-craft beers and a great many microbrews.

A sixer of cheap-ass beer costs about $5.89 at my store. Craft brews are $6.99, IIRC. The cheapest wine we get is 3-buck Chuck at Trader Joe's, though I do hear tell that Wal-Mart has a private label wine for $1.99 a bottle. I've been thinking to get some to make vinegar out of.

Yes, they have a few wines under that label:

The Grapes of Wrath
Grape Expectations
Peanut Grigio
I Never Promised You a Rhinegarten
Nascarbernet

and a few others I don't recall.

Current Resident: $4 on the East Coast (though I really have no idea, I'm using the half-baked formula).

Gah. I wish TJ's sold liquor here (MD). (CSB: The first night I was here, I saw a TJs and swung in to grab some supplies... the look on the clerk's face when I asked where the wine was should have been enough of a sign to RUN, but no....) But because that would mean Costco could, too, not for that $2 swill.

In fact, I'd bet the de facto collusion between both distributors and the small number of liquor stores accounts for more of the cost differences than any shipping / regionalism / etc. Hell, a six pack of plain ol' Sierra Nevada is nudging dangerously close to $10, and many decent micros are above that... if you can find them. FSM bless homebrewing. And prices across stores don't vary by much more than $1 or $2, usually... the whole region needs a swift "Costco selling Stoli at $24/1.75" boot up its ass.

Stupid blue laws + liquor-distributor lobbying = screw the cost-conscious liquor consumer!

BitwiseShift: I do miss that 99 cent six-pack . But we did bury a friend whose last words were "I don't see how they can sell this wine at $1.59 a gallon and still make a profit."

It's pretty harsh to bury someone for questioning why cheap booze exists.

Phaeon: snarketyfarker: And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

Someone told me that making darker brews (Stouts, porters) is easier to accomplish than lighter things (Blondes, Pale ales). Is this true?

Really they're of about equal difficulty, but the darker beers hide mistakes better.

HaywoodJablonski: Jake Havechek: All I know is when Paul Giamatti goes and sits at the bar and orders a glass of wine I knew that movie was going to be totally gay. Not that there's anything wrong with that.

So the rest of the movie leading up to that point was like Die Hard to you?

No, the part where he gets chased down a hill when funny music plays is theatrical gold. Citizen Kane quality. A triumph of the human spirit, a cinematic tour de force.

And Sandra Oh looks like somebody shaved a dog's ass and put a dress on it.

snarketyfarker: And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

THIS. Cider is *ridiculously* easy. Homebrewing from concentrates is no harder than making soup. Homebrewing from partial mashes is pretty straightforward, too, and makes -good- beer, to the point that dealing with all grain really isn't necessary, unless you want to play with it.

Three big, free tips:

1) You can't be clean enough: Go through OneStep and Iodine like it's free. Wash and sanitize your hands frequently. Etc. Most people "don't like homebrew" because they've been served infected homebrew brewed by someone who sneezed in the wort or might as well have.

2) Keg. Screw bottling. Buy a kegerator from some poor bastard whose wife is making him sell it, and skip bottling all together. Buy your homebrew kit off Craigs from somebody who did not heed this advice, brewed a horrid batch and hated the hassle of bottling, and is giving up after one stab. Kegging eliminates the bottling hassle and the risk that the bottle fermentation is screwy / creates off tastes / etc. Just not worth it.

3) Brew with someone who has brewed before, before trying yourself. It is -much- easier if you see it done first, rather than trying to figure it out from a book!

Phaeon: Someone told me that making darker brews (Stouts, porters) is easier to accomplish than lighter things (Blondes, Pale ales). Is this true?

Yup, in the sense that big, bold beers hide off flavors that would be very obvious in lighter brews. Big IPAs, too. The most impressive act of brewing in the world is actually Bud Light / Coors Light / etc being brewed -identically- both over time and throughout the country. Not to say it can't be done, but starting with stouts or giant IPAs will probably have you feeling successful initially, and keep you in the hobby, rather than being disappointed in your first few batches. Light/pale beers are cheaper, but you may not like the result if your first few batches are not reasonably well executed.

Thank you, but no.

What's the price? Thirty twice!

Benevolent Misanthrope: Scurvy Dog: Yes, they have a few wines under that label:

The Grapes of Wrath
Grape Expectations
Peanut Grigio
I Never Promised You a Rhinegarten
Nascarbernet

and a few others I don't recall.

I think I saw a bottle of Nasti Spumanti...

That's one of them! So you saw their wine list too!

Phaeon: snarketyfarker: And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

Someone told me that making darker brews (Stouts, porters) is easier to accomplish than lighter things (Blondes, Pale ales). Is this true?

Yes, that's pretty much the case. The darker brews are a little more forgiving of mistakes. A good american pale ale is within reach of most, with a little practice and a good source of supplies. True lagers are out for all but the most advanced home brewer, however.

SFSailor: snarketyfarker: And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

THIS. Cider is *ridiculously* easy. Homebrewing from concentrates is no harder than making soup. Homebrewing from partial mashes is pretty straightforward, too, and makes -good- beer, to the point that dealing with all grain really isn't necessary, unless you want to play with it.

If you brew all-grain, and buy your malt in bulk, you can make your favorite beer for even cheaper. Initial investment and utility costs aside, I can make 10 gallons of beer for $0.20 per pint. If you factor in the cost of the equipment, plus the recurring cost like utilities and cleaners/sanitizers, it's still super cheap. I get my grain for about $0.40/lb in bulk, and I've heard of people getting in on "group buys" on brewing forums in their local area and getting even better prices.

SFSailor: snarketyfarker: And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

THIS. Cider is *ridiculously* easy. Homebrewing from concentrates is no harder than making soup. Homebrewing from partial mashes is pretty straightforward, too, and makes -good- beer, to the point that dealing with all grain really isn't necessary, unless you want to play with it.

Three big, free tips:

1) You can't be clean enough: Go through OneStep and Iodine like it's free. Wash and sanitize your hands frequently. Etc. Most people "don't like homebrew" because they've been served infected homebrew brewed by someone who sneezed in the wort or might as well have.

2) Keg. Screw bottling. Buy a kegerator from some poor bastard whose wife is making him sell it, and skip bottling all together. Buy your homebrew kit off Craigs from somebody who did not heed this advice, brewed a horrid batch and hated the hassle of bottling, and is giving up after one stab. Kegging eliminates the bottling hassle and the risk that the bottle fermentation is screwy / creates off tastes / etc. Just not worth it.

3) Brew with someone who has brewed before, before trying yourself. It is -much- easier if you see it done first, rather than trying to figure it out from a book!

Phaeon: Someone told me that making darker brews (Stouts, porters) is easier to accomplish than lighter things (Blondes, Pale ales). Is this true?

Yup, in the sense that big, bold beers hide off flavors that would be very obvious in lighter brews. Big IPAs, too. The most impressive act of brewing in the world is actually Bud Light / Coors Light / etc being brewed -identically- both over time and throughout the country. Not to say it can ...

THIS. Also, I have never done an all-extract beer. Partial-mash is definitely the way to go . You can usually find a local homebrew shop or group of homebrewers that will be happy to help you through your first few batches.

And absolutely: CLEANLINESS! Wash your hands, wash your hands, wash your hands! Don't touch your face, hair or junk while brewing without WASHING YOUR HANDS. And I mean HOT WATER, SOAP, and at least 30 seconds. Keep your entire workspace clean and wiped down, either with a one-step oxy-clean type cleaner, or simple bleach water (one cap of bleach to a gallon of warm (not hot) water). Let 'Time, Temperature and Sanitation' be your mantra. If you are so pleased with brewing your own that AFTERWARDS you need to flush the pipes, that's your business.

Also, I agree with SFSailor about kegging. I bottle, but that's only because I have a lot of sins to atone for. Invest in a Cornelius kegging system and you will wonder why you bought other peoples beer instead of brewing your own years ago. And also, after you've gotten comfortable with brewing your own, don't be afraid to experiment. I had made a few batches of Irish Oatmeal Stout. One day, my brewing partner and I were brewing, and I got the idea to make some espresso with chicory coffee, then dump that into a french press and make more chicory coffee with the espresso replacing some of the water. Then I poured about half of it in at the beginning of the boil along with the malt extract, and the other half right at the end.

This is how we make our stout exclusively now. Hey, good luck with brewing if you choose to try it. My E is IP if you have any questions. Feel free to hit me up. Have a great day!

downstairs: snarketyfarker: If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer

I disagree. I tried years ago, and could never get enough alcohol content and it was often flat.

Guess I just didn't have the talent. Oh well, i gave my equipment away to someone who really wanted to get into it but couldn't afford it.

If it was flat, you were probably storing it in too cold of an environment when it was in its secondary phase OR you weren't sealing it properly.

dryknife: What's the price? Thirty twice!

What's the word

Thunderbird

sfred: Phaeon: snarketyfarker: And after the initial investment (about $100) for equipment, you can BREW YOUR OWN BEER for about a dollar a pint. And that's a dollar for a pint of beer that you brew to your tastes, not a dollar for some shiat-or-go-blind tallboy of carburator cleaner.

If you can make a batch of sweet tea, you can brew beer. Or make cider. (even cheaper than beer).

Someone told me that making darker brews (Stouts, porters) is easier to accomplish than lighter things (Blondes, Pale ales). Is this true?

Yes, that's pretty much the case. The darker brews are a little more forgiving of mistakes. A good american pale ale is within reach of most, with a little practice and a good source of supplies. True lagers are out for all but the most advanced home brewer, however.

Manure. I do a batch of lager every fall and throw it into my basement garage to over winter before bottling in spring. You need an environment that will allow the yeast to ferment between 38 and 50 degrees. I consistently make an excellent kellerbier that way. It's one of my fastest consumed every year.