Sounds like the numbers from the Fox News coverage of a Tea Party rally a year or so ago.

I was there, it might have been a couple hundred in the morning (when it was cold and rainy), but it was a few thousand by mid-day and several thousand by 6:00pm, when the rally actually started.

looks like people are having trouble getting past the fake index on fark today

Really? Because if that's the case, it's because this was horribly marketed. I would have moved heaven and earth to go if I had ever heard of it. This is the problem with the OWS people. They shun leadership to the point where they can't get anything effective done because no one is allowed to represent the group. Someone has to be the face of the organization and go on the 24 hour news cycle and say "HEY! We're going to have a rally on this day at this location!"

Pants full of macaroni!!: Wait.... Occupy is still going on? I thought it was over and Wall Street won.

It's over, at least until the occupiers charge up their iPhones and leave their apartments in TriBeCa when it gets warm again.

The Occupy movement had very good points and I fully supported them. But their "lets not have anyone in charge or organize into a bigger organized movement" wasn't exactly the recipe for success.

The stereotype, you're not helping it

Dr. Knockboots, these people don't have lobbyists and millions of dollars to spend so it actually takes time to change things, as you say.

Forgot_my_password_again: The Occupy movement had very good points and I fully supported them. But their "lets not have anyone in charge or organize into a bigger organized movement" wasn't exactly the recipe for success.

That and not telling the people going on and on about chemtrails or the Zeitgeist Movement seriously to go home.
/was moderating one of their live chats for a time in October
//look into the Zeitgeisters, are few key people in that movement aren't very nice, honest, or law abiding apparently

SquirrelWithLargeNuts: I was there, it might have been a couple hundred in the morning (when it was cold and rainy), but it was a few thousand by mid-day and several thousand by 6:00pm, when the rally actually started.

Shhhhhh

The right wingers just found out that the Walker recall got 1 million signatures ( twice the amount they needed ) . This article was suppose to cheer them up.

Except for the already-homeless contingent and a few obsessively dedicated radicals the Occupy movement is comprised of 20-something Wonderbread hipsters from the suburbs. When the weather's bad you sit in your room at Mom's and watch Monty Python skits from when your parents were toddlers on Youtube. (Seriously, the Funny Walks sketch wasn't funny the first time.) At least some of them have progressed beyond the idea that stretching their earlobes is revolutionary martyrdom. Maybe somebody actually read a book or two in the OWS library.

"I saw a cockroach in my Captain Crunch this morning. Maybe Brooklyn is TOO authentic!"

make me some tea:

I didn't even know they were going there today.

Neither did I. Maybe we're jut not hip, ironic or authentic enough to be told such secrets.

Forgot_my_password_again: "their "lets not have anyone in charge or organize into a bigger organized movement" wasn't exactly the recipe for success."

Ain't that the damn truth. I understand they don't want to exclude people, but why they don't pull back and refocus on the original unifying demand is beyond me: get the money out of politics.

Don't try to be inclusive of everyone's pet issues. fark all that. People are angry and motivated and all the deliberation is just sapping that strength. Refocus on: get the money out of politics. Hammer that point. Over and over. There's literally no other issue the OWS crowd should be talking about.

People didn't show up in Zuccotti park because they all had the same opinion on tax rates, student loans, regulation or anything else. They showed up because money has taken over the US political system and no other change is possible until that's corrected. So even talking about any other issues is somewhere between putting the cart before the horse and mental masturbation.

Get the goddamm money out of politics.

Still in the news cycle = still playing to win. Leadership or not, they *are* getting noticed still. Now we all know that the winter recess is over and it's back to the front lines, and a decent percentage of us will be checking twitter for OWS tags, news stories, facebook, and the various websites dedicated to communication within the movement. The worst thing that can happen to the movement is to start being perceived not as a bunch of hippies, but as being bought and paid for. Having a leader go on TV and call for this rally (something I'm sure news networks would absolutely do... -_-) poses a bigger risk to the reputation that having to take 5 years to actually get something going.

Remember 4 months ago when this started and it was all "pfft whatever kids. Go back to mom's basement and smoke dope before it gets too cold."?

Remember 3 months ago when they had been out there for a month and grew to roughly a thousand people and it was all "lazy good-fer-nothin's just jumping on the bandwagon cause they don't have jobs or skills"?

Remember 2 months ago when these occupations migrated to nearly every major city in the country, and showed no signs of abating and it was all "They wouldn't be getting beaten by police if they weren't breaking the law. Like a bunch of scofflaws. Whatever, it'll get cold and they'll go home. And besides, shouldn't they be out protesting congress? :trollface:"?

Remember last month when they were still out there all over the country, and started organizing marches to DC and it was all "This is their last ditch effort to stay in the news. When this is over they all go home, celebrate Christmas and we'll never see them again. Oh yeah. And they still smell funny."

Well, many of them have homes or apartments. Many have jobs. They didn't just get bored and go home. And they are still around even though its cold.

And that just chaps some people's asses.

david1963: make me some tea:

I didn't even know they were going there today.

Neither did I. Maybe we're jut not hip, ironic or authentic enough to be told such secrets.

Get some of those ugly square glasses, then you'll pass.

..Jack Amico, 23, part of Occupy Wall Street in New York City, attends "Occupy Congress," ...


This guy is pictured with a vented hazmat face mask, not to hide his idenity as he gave his name.
Is it to protect him from the TB many of the protesters caught while in LA and New York protest?

BeesNuts: Still And that just chaps some people's asses.

Remember three-four months ago when they were co-opted by Public Employee Unions?

Darklemming: It's over, at least until the occupiers charge up their iPhones and leave their apartments in TriBeCa when it gets warm again.

Ho ho ho! It's funny because some OWS protesters have telephones!

Seriously, you have made such a good point, and I really appreciate what you bring to the discussion. On the one side, there are corporations and congress are working together to extract wealth from the middle class. But on the other side, the people complaining should shut up and go home because they have telephones! You are so smart for noticing the hypocrisy and bringing it to our attention.

Occupy is America's most useless and meaningless protest movement.

More like 1500. It was enough people to completely fill the steps of the supreme court.

Source: was there

KimNorth: "Is it to protect him from the TB many of the protesters caught while in LA and New York protest?"

"many" ? "LA and New York" ?

I read there were a couple cases in Atlanta, but that's about it.
You'd think *tuberculosis*, were it spreading to "many" protestors, would have gotten significant air-time back when mayors were talking in vague terms about 'sanitation concerns' being behind the forced evictions.

At least they finally started protesting in the right city.

Forgot_my_password_again: The Occupy movement had very good points and I fully supported them. But their "lets not have anyone in charge or organize into a bigger organized movement" wasn't exactly the recipe for success.

A friend of my girlfriend is part of the Occupy Vancouver movement and apparently they have a leadership council of which he is the leader. From what he's told her it sounds like pure hell for him, no one can agree on anything and whenever someone is being disruptive and yelling they can't have them removed because it requires a vote. Oh, and apparently the 9/11 truthers are being really annoying as well.

Maybe there are some benefits to having a leaderless organization.

The Larch: On the one side, there are Publice Employee Unions and their Local Government lackeys working together to extract wealth from taxpayers. But on the other side, the people complaining should shut up and go home because they have telephones! You are so smart for noticing the hypocrisy and bringing it to our attention.

Fixed that for you.

mitEj: Salacious Salad: More like 1500. It was enough people to completely fill the steps of the supreme court.

Source: was there

Sounds cool.
Did you get some Pics?

No the camera on my phone ate the dust. Keep in mind this happened around 6:30 p.m. so it was way too dark to get any quality shots anyways. Was somewhat enjoyable although some of the protestors reinforced a lot of stereotypes unfortunately.

Also, you should notice how every shot of the protest in the MSM has no more than 4 or 5 people and that the shots were taken during the middle of the day (long before the march started). The media does everything it can to marginalize the OWS.

cubicdissection: "At least they finally started protesting in the right city."

Their reason for existence is supposedly to draw attention to the problem of money in politics.
Both DC and NYC are very valid places for such a protest.

The Larch: Darklemming: It's over, at least until the occupiers charge up their iPhones and leave their apartments in TriBeCa when it gets warm again.

Ho ho ho! It's funny because some OWS protesters have telephones!

Seriously, you have made such a good point, and I really appreciate what you bring to the discussion. On the one side, there are corporations people with thier hands out demanding thier free ride for EVERYTHING and congress are working together to extract wealth from the middle class. But on the other side, the people complaining should shut up and go home because they have telephones! You are so smart for noticing the hypocrisy and bringing it to our attention.

That's better

halfof33: Publice Employee Unions

OK, I have to admit that "Pub Lice" made me laugh. There's a reason i have you on my favorites list as "amusing tea bag retard troll".

ringersol: KimNorth: "Is it to protect him from the TB many of the protesters caught while in LA and New York protest?"

"many" ? "LA and New York" ?

I read there were a couple cases in Atlanta, but that's about it.
You'd think *tuberculosis*, were it spreading to "many" protestors, would have gotten significant air-time back when mayors were talking in vague terms about 'sanitation concerns' being behind the forced evictions.

Actually the TB cases in Atlanta had nothing to do with the Occupy Movement. When Occupy Atlanta had been evicted from the park they were at they decided to set up a temporary head quarters in a homeless shelter that unknown to them, had a problem with ongoing outbreaks of TB in the past. However none of them came in contact with TB. Of course the Right Wing twisted that into TB is spreading among the Atlanta Occupy Movement.

mitEj: Salacious Salad: mitEj: Salacious Salad: More like 1500. It was enough people to completely fill the steps of the supreme court.

Source: was there

Sounds cool.
Did you get some Pics?

No the camera on my phone ate the dust. Keep in mind this happened around 6:30 p.m. so it was way too dark to get any quality shots anyways. Was somewhat enjoyable although some of the protestors reinforced a lot of stereotypes unfortunately.

Also, you should notice how every shot of the protest in the MSM has no more than 4 or 5 people and that the shots were taken during the middle of the day (long before the march started). The media does everything it can to marginalize the OWS.

I do not disagree with you.

I just was hoping for something cool like BagDog. I love that little guy.

The dog in the home-made jacket? That was pretty hilarious.

Salacious Salad: mitEj: Salacious Salad: More like 1500. It was enough people to completely fill the steps of the supreme court.

Source: was there

Sounds cool.
Did you get some Pics?

No the camera on my phone ate the dust.

Sorry to hear that, man. I've got a few for anyone interested.

This one was taken early on, around 9:30 a.m. Only a hundred people were there at that time.




Later on, during the General Assembly. I'd stay between 1000-1500 were there.

Still haven't accomplished Jack, despite having an incredibly passionate and dedicated and diverse group of people. Think about how inefficient you have to be to squander millions of man hours and accomplish essentially nothing.

"Raising public awareness" = accomplishing nothing. Until you change something concrete, it's just background noise.

Where are these general strikes that were threatened? What has been accomplished?

What a waste. Get organized you idiots.

Forgot_my_password_again: The Occupy movement had very good points and I fully supported them. But their "lets not have anyone in charge or organize into a bigger organized movement" wasn't exactly the recipe for success.


It's either a true mass movement or it's a production.

/no puns, please

ringersol:

Refocus on: get the money out of politics. Hammer that point. Over and over. There's literally no other issue the OWS crowd should be talking about.

And when that fails, because "the Establishment" has so much money and wants even more, there are guillotine plans all over the Internet. Seriously, US politics is all about money; you might as well be demonstrating against water being wet.

Think about redistribution of wealth. Rob the rich and share their stuff, legally if possible.

Boxingoutsider: Still haven't accomplished Jack,


People are talking, and learning. Worst case scenario.

For gad's sakes already. It's not about wealth, it's about corruption.

Who's holding up a sign saying baseball players make too much money? None? Because it's not about wealth you farking meatheads.

Rich Cream: Boxingoutsider: Still haven't accomplished Jack,


People are talking, and learning. Worst case scenario.

People talk and learn about poop. That doesn't amount to anything either.

How do you plan to change a huge problem where the perpetrators are among the most insulated in the entire world, by talking and sitting in parks?

Political action is the only way to change things, and OWS sucks at that and has in many cases specifically eschewed that as a method to get things done.

Tell me how you're going to influence the chairman of BOA. Tell me how you're going to get congressmen to pass laws that reflect your viewpoint.

Rich Cream:

Boxingoutsider: Still haven't accomplished Jack,


People are talking, and learning. Worst case scenario.

Will they learn the material or just learn how to pass the tests?

Unfortunately this first step is taking a while because the white American middle class has insisted on being complacent and stupid for at least 40 years. At least these kids are doing SOMETHING.

Boxingoutsider:

Tell me how you're going to influence the chairman of BOA. Tell me how you're going to get congressmen to pass laws that reflect your viewpoint.

Pass out scythes and pitchforks.

Boxingoutsider: Rich Cream: Boxingoutsider: Still haven't accomplished Jack,


People are talking, and learning. Worst case scenario.

People talk and learn about poop. That doesn't amount to anything either.

How do you plan to change a huge problem where the perpetrators are among the most insulated in the entire world, by talking and sitting in parks?

Political action is the only way to change things, and OWS sucks at that and has in many cases specifically eschewed that as a method to get things done.

Tell me how you're going to influence the chairman of BOA. Tell me how you're going to get congressmen to pass laws that reflect your viewpoint.

Haters gonna hate. Well, "talking and sitting in parks" outside the offices of the perpetrators is better than just electing the same suits beholden to those same perpetrators into office through "political action".

You just keep finding a way to be superior to other people over the internet while other people do what little they can, short of proper revolution, to make your life better.

/Most common criticism of OWS, you know, the people who have the gumption to do more than "talk and sit" on the internet, is that somehow that's not enough.
//"You're so ineffective you should just stop." has to be one of the most ironic statements to come out of these criticisms.

Hey, remember that time that Ghandi managed to gather support for his Indian Independence movement and accomplish his goals in the time between January ₍₁₉₁₅₎ and June ₍₁₉₄₇₎?

Boy howdy did change used to come fast. These kids don't know the first thing about making a difference. Been at it for 4 months now and what have they done again? "Changed the nature of the dialogue in this country?" Pfff. Whatever. Go suck a rock and try to photosynthesize, you hippies.

change1211: Forgot_my_password_again: The Occupy movement had very good points and I fully supported them. But their "lets not have anyone in charge or organize into a bigger organized movement" wasn't exactly the recipe for success.

A friend of my girlfriend is part of the Occupy Vancouver movement and apparently they have a leadership council of which he is the leader. From what he's told her it sounds like pure hell for him, no one can agree on anything and whenever someone is being disruptive and yelling they can't have them removed because it requires a vote. Oh, and apparently the 9/11 truthers are being really annoying as well.

Maybe there are some benefits to having a leaderless organization.

These issues become 100X worse without leadership. Imagine a crapload of well-intentioned juggalos trying to affect public policy. Unfortunately that's about as sophisticated as many who elect to become radical activists are.