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(Houston Chronicle) Obvious Houston the fastest growing economy in North America this past year. Of course it is. Guns, gasoline, and cheap illegal labor all good earners y'all   (chron.com) divider line 20
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2012-01-18 08:25:19 AM
In particular, it's the cheap, illegal labor. Can you imagine how real estate would work if they actually had to pay those contractors legal wages?
 
2012-01-18 10:32:30 AM

Houston is like Colorado in the reality version of _Atlas Shrugged_.

It has no zoning. That's right, no real-estate zoning, anywhere, ever. It's the sort of thing that, if it didn't actually exist, city planners and lefties would carefully explain to us would lead to chaos and economic collapse.

There is no state or local income tax. Like Alaska, Texas makes enough money from oil pumping that it can forego the economic wet-blanket of an income tax.

Houston has hardly any mass-transit system, save for a very basic bus network. That means that Houston only has about a one percent local sales tax to fund it. Yet Houston is geographically massive, one of the largest cities in the world. Here, having someone say "Oh yeah, I live in the same city as you!" does NOT automatically mean that they live within 20 minutes' drive.

Housing and living costs are dirt cheap. A two-bedroom apartment in a typical upper-lower-class complex runs $600-$800. 2,200 square foot 4-2-2 houses on quarter-acre lots in average exurbs are everywhere for $80,000-$150,000, depending on age.

I've lived and worked here for 20 years, and it's a great place. Very hot and humid in the summer though.

 
2012-01-18 10:52:44 AM
Breathe Laugh Twitch: Houston is like Colorado in the reality version of _Atlas Shrugged_.

Housing and living costs are dirt cheap. A two-bedroom apartment in a typical upper-lower-class complex runs $600-$800. 2,200 square foot 4-2-2 houses on quarter-acre lots in average exurbs are everywhere for $80,000-$150,000, depending on age.
I've lived and worked here for 20 years, and it's a great place. Very hot and humid in the summer though.


Folks on Fark always say things like "Texas is crap because they use the federal minimum wage, not like enlightened California. Which has a higher state minimum wage". $7.5/hr in Houston is worth about $12/hr in LA, $15/hr in San Francisco and even $9/hr in a "cheap" place like Fresno.
 
2012-01-18 10:57:58 AM
Vertdang: In particular, it's the cheap, illegal labor. Can you imagine how real estate would work if they actually had to pay those contractors legal wages?

Los Angeles has a bunch of illegals and oil (California [500kbbl/day] is the 3rd largest producer of oil after Texas [900 kbbl/day] and Alaska [600 kbbl/day]) so why do they have 11% unemployment and out of control housing prices?
 
2012-01-18 11:05:20 AM
Aside from the absurdly hot and humid summers here, it really is a great place to live.
 
2012-01-18 11:18:54 AM
Its a total shiat hole in THE shiathole state.

Even Florida is better and Florida sucks.
 
2012-01-18 11:28:25 AM
Breathe Laugh Twitch: It has no zoning. That's right, no real-estate zoning, anywhere, ever. It's the sort of thing that, if it didn't actually exist, city planners and lefties would carefully explain to us would lead to chaos and economic collapse

Yes, and that makes it ugly as all get out. I was born and raised there and have lived 2.5 yrs out of my 11 yrs of professional life.

I can't say with certainty I won't ever move back (b/c of my industry - GIS) but it's a damn ugly city b/c of the zoning thing. Except for maybe the Heights and Montrose, I'm out!
 
2012-01-18 11:41:18 AM

The absence of zoning means that everything is mixed up together. That means you don't have to drive fifteen minutes to find a grocery store or oil-change shop, as you do in the "master-planned" exurbs. It also means you can find an apartment or condo just 1000 feet from your office -- a fact I have personally exploited.

Control freaks find it distressing ("ugly"), but it is more efficient than the "houses over here, business way over there" layout that helps calm their brains down.

 
2012-01-18 12:14:09 PM
fillahbuster: Vertdang: In particular, it's the cheap, illegal labor. Can you imagine how real estate would work if they actually had to pay those contractors legal wages?

Los Angeles has a bunch of illegals and oil (California [500kbbl/day] is the 3rd largest producer of oil after Texas [900 kbbl/day] and Alaska [600 kbbl/day]) so why do they have 11% unemployment and out of control housing prices?


That's pretty lazy to say "out of control" in the whole state. It's very expensive to live in Santa Cruz or Palo Alto because a lot of people with money want to live in those very nice places and they aren't building any more houses there. You can get a house for dirt cheap in San Bernadino or the Central Valley. Nobody with money wants to live there.
 
2012-01-18 12:15:38 PM
I have live here in the area for almost a year. I like it. I didn't mind the summer at all, I hate being cold. But this drought shiat was insane.
 
2012-01-18 12:53:10 PM
I can walk to Petrol Station.

I love Houston.
 
2012-01-18 01:02:04 PM
Like Bullitt and BLT said, housing is mixed with all of life's necessities, like bars and the place they sell the toilet paper. And living in the height or better still, the Montrose, you can work in downtown office and bike, bus, walk to work.

Oh yeah, and the Montrose was named one of the 10 best neighborhoods in the country so there's that!

/HA!
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2012-01-18 01:09:10 PM
fillahbuster: Vertdang: In particular, it's the cheap, illegal labor. Can you imagine how real estate would work if they actually had to pay those contractors legal wages?

Los Angeles has a bunch of illegals and oil (California [500kbbl/day] is the 3rd largest producer of oil after Texas [900 kbbl/day] and Alaska [600 kbbl/day]) so why do they have 11% unemployment and out of control housing prices?


easy, ocean and weather. and everyone wants to live there for those to reasons.
 
2012-01-18 01:12:30 PM
html_007: I have live here in the area for almost a year. I like it. I didn't mind the summer at all, I hate being cold. But this drought shiat was insane.

You will hate it when the rain returns, Houston floods from a light fog.

As others have mentioned, it is the butthole of Texas. If you are moving here, move to Austin, Dallas or San Antonio. The rest is crap.

/Florida sucks, only place I have been that makes my Texan neighbors seem sophisticated.
 
2012-01-18 02:10:25 PM
Cthulhu_FTW: html_007: I have live here in the area for almost a year. I like it. I didn't mind the summer at all, I hate being cold. But this drought shiat was insane.

You will hate it when the rain returns, Houston floods from a light fog.

As others have mentioned, it is the butthole of Texas. If you are moving here, move to Austin Dallas or San Antonio, Ft Worth or Houston. The rest is crap.

/Florida sucks, only place I have been that makes my Texan neighbors seem sophisticated.


/FTFY
 
2012-01-18 04:57:23 PM
Vertdang: fillahbuster: Vertdang: In particular, it's the cheap, illegal labor. Can you imagine how real estate would work if they actually had to pay those contractors legal wages?

Los Angeles has a bunch of illegals and oil (California [500kbbl/day] is the 3rd largest producer of oil after Texas [900 kbbl/day] and Alaska [600 kbbl/day]) so why do they have 11% unemployment and out of control housing prices?

easy, ocean and weather. and everyone wants to live there for those to reasons.


Well not solely those 2 reasons, but basically this. Also, LA is rather limited in scope due to mountains on one side and ocean to another so once you've reached those two barriers you limit new growth. Unless you want to live in Hemet.

And no one wants to live in Hemet.

I'd also post a wiki link to Prop 13 but SOPA
 
2012-01-18 05:00:46 PM
I was born in Houston, well Webster, and have lived in Houston (Clear Lake) for 32 of my almost 35 years... I have always lived out in the suburbs where there is at least master planned zoning laws.
But, I actually love it here and can't imagine living anywhere else (I lived in Austin for 3 years, hated it).. I have always had a job here, and at least two waiting in the wings...
The commute sometimes sucks, and being far away from most decent concert venues sucks, but being 1 mile from Galveston Bay is pretty sweet.
I can knock Houston because I know it so well, but I chose not to..
We have the worlds largest Medical Center, world class museums, every ethnicity restaurant, great bars and a fairly decent freeway system.
 
2012-01-18 10:24:01 PM
dated a girl who lived in league city which is just outside Houston. We hung out in Houston all the time, I liked it a lot actually.

/lives in Dallas
 
2012-01-19 09:46:01 PM
Houston has lots of really good food. The light rail is decent, and there are some neat museums and stuff to do. If you're into sports they do ok there too.

But man the zoning thing makes huge areas of the city look like shiat. You walk from a nice restaurant or park to your car two blocks and you'll pass a vietnamese massage parlor with boarded up windows, a nice coffee shop, a plot full of rubble, a dry cleaner that stinks to high heaven, a dog-fighting house, high end bank, a french bakery, a pawn shop, and a nice skateboard store.

Be like other cities and cluster your goddamn ghettos together.
 
2012-01-19 09:51:09 PM
sararenne: We have the worlds largest Medical Center

I'm sure it's great if you have cancer or something, but I made the mistake of booking a hotel near there once. Only blessing was the rail line being close. God that was dull, absolutely nothing happening after 5pm. I really thought there had to be something for the shift workers, but they must all scarf down in their cafeterias or something.

Someone is seriously missing out on an easy money maker. Thousands of people visiting sick family need something to do.
 
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