Somehow I doubt that classes advocating the overthrow of the American government was really a problem.

violentsalvation:


Thank you. There is enough to hate about that law without having to lie about it, Salon did not do themselves or anyone justice with that crap journalism, even I bought into it.

people buy into these stories because they want to believe it. people don't want to think for themselves anymore.

a law that wants to get rid of racial divisive teaching is just another variation of political correctness.

"The law he wrote with help from his predecessor, now-Attorney General Tom Horne, bans classes that promote the overthrow of the U.S. government, encourage resentment toward a race or a class of people, are designed solely for students of a certain ethnicity and advocate for ethnic solidarity instead of the treatment of students as individuals. "

history's greatest monsters.

snuff3r: How is "moving it to a warehouse" not the same end purpose as banning it? If i deprive you from using your car because i moved it three blocks away, i still farking stole it.

The libraries still have the books. The texts that were used in the class that no longer exists were shipped. Does the library need 30 books of Critical Race Theory?

Several people pointed all this out when the original article caused much hyperventilation on fark. The Salon claim was a 50/50 mixture of extreme exaggeration and complete fabrication. Like most everything else on that nutjob website. There was no ban whatsoever, the books are still available to students, and the court action affected one school rather than statewide.

snuff3r: How is "moving it to a warehouse" not the same end purpose as banning it? If i deprive you from using your car because i moved it three blocks away, i still farking stole it.

how is The Tempest not removed from classrooms not the same as The Tempest has been removed from classrooms?

Wow, someone moving a car 3 blocks is stealing it? You must hate music pirates and people who moved your cheese.

germ78: They don't need to burn the books, the just remove them. While large warehouses fill as quick as the cells.

/rally 'round the family

Large warehouses called "libraries"?

/dey stole er BOOOOOOOOKKKKKKKKKS!

Satanic_Hamster: Somehow I doubt that classes advocating the overthrow of the American government was really a problem.

You can always read the judicial opinion on the matter... but nah, that would be too difficult and might actually stop you from being ignorant on the matter.

It gets really good at paragraph 69. http://www.azag.gov/issues/TUSD%20Ethnic%20Studies%20Ruling.pdf


81. As represented on the MAS website as well as in the article, the "barrio
pedagogy" used in the MAS program utilizes "critical Latino race" theory and "critical
pedagogy" as the foundation of MAS classes. Ex. 3; Ex. 5 at ADE 000945-000946;
MAS Director Arce, Day 2 (p.m.) at 31:20-32:16; District Superintendent Pedicone, Day
2 (a.m.) at 87:9-13.
82. According to MAS Director Arce, "critical race theory utilizes a racimized6 lens to
look at different issues, different problems within our society." MAS Director Arce, Day
2 (p.m.) at 61:4-7.
83. MAS Director Arce and Dr. Romero state in the article that the rationale behind
this "racismized" pedagogy is premised upon the belief that "the United States of
America was founded and constructed on racism" and that ""[f]rom its inception,
America and Americans have operated on the belief that whites were superior to all
other races." (Ex. 5 at ADE 000926).

There's only so long those books will sit in the warehouse. Do people really think there are giant warehouses where lonely little books go to await adoption? Sorta, but not really. Most book warehouses are just holding areas for books until they can be sold to be turned into pulp.

federal judge has dismissed the claims by the teacher and director, but let students in the program or who hoped to be in the program to pursue their lawsuit, in which they claim that the state law banning the Mexican-American studies program infringes on their First Amendment and constitutional rights, court records show

Eyeroll. As a teacher you do not have a constitutional right to free speech in such as pertains to your teaching. You are an employee and you are beholden to what is allowed to you.

Mentat: The Tempest was taken off of the curriculum because it was being used to discuss oppression issues which the "We're Not Racist" crowd hates. This actually isn't the first time that The Tempest has been targeted in this way. Anything which does not portray America as perfect and blessed by God or which can be used to suggest that maybe we're not a perfect nation is targeted by these guys.

The Tempest, written in 1610, is about America?
Was Alonso, the King of Naples, about Naples Florida?

You are an idiot.

violentsalvation: tenpoundsofcheese: violentsalvation:


Thank you. There is enough to hate about that law without having to lie about it, Salon did not do themselves or anyone justice with that crap journalism, even I bought into it.

people buy into these stories because they want to believe it. people don't want to think for themselves anymore.

a law that wants to get rid of racial divisive teaching is just another variation of political correctness.

I bought into it because little in Arizona surprises me anymore, thankfully Salon was full of shiat.

I don't like this law, it forces a narrow "accepted" perspective of history, that said, I don't know that I like TUSD's former Mexican American history and culture curriculum either, I was not a student in Tucson. But I would have probably had issues with it too.

No, no it does not. There are still many various history classes. This single program was found in violation. There were many ways they could have avoided the suit to stop the class. For one they could have actually submitted the lesson plans to TUSD as they are REQUIRED TO DO. Read the ruling, believe that's around paragraph 50.

tenpoundsofcheese: snuff3r: How is "moving it to a warehouse" not the same end purpose as banning it? If i deprive you from using your car because i moved it three blocks away, i still farking stole it.

how is The Tempest not removed from classrooms not the same as The Tempest has been removed from classrooms?

Wow, someone moving a car 3 blocks is stealing it? You must hate music pirates and people who moved your cheese.

A warehouse can hold the worth of several classes of books while the library can logistically only hold one or two copies. Surely if a student wants a checked out book that has inventory in the warehouse will be issued a warehouse book.

germ78: They don't need to burn the books, the just remove them. While large warehouses fill as quick as the cells.

/rally 'round the family

The books will be handled by top men.


Top.

Men.

Remember how the Tucson, AZ school district imposed repressive right-wing-based political mandates on how and what its elementary teachers could teach?

Turns out exactly that much.

Derp in power strikes again.

BuckTurgidson: Remember how the Tucson, AZ school district imposed repressive right-wing-based political mandates on how and what its elementary teachers could teach?

No. I don't think anyone remembers that. Most people don't generally "remember" things that didn't happen.

You write for Salon don't you?

Mentat:
I see the morons are still pushing this meme from the original thread.

Yes, the left-wing morons are still trying to pretend that books were being banned when they certainly weren't.

Yeah, the classes are banned, not the books. The books are just removed from the school, not banned. So, see? Everything is okay.

Actually, it looks to me like two of the books weren't written by Latinos. One of them isn't even about Latino studies. (Freire.) Freire's a writer who makes powerful arguments about the political realities that exist within democracies and how inequality continues to exist and perpetuate itself in societies ostensibly based on people being equal. The arguments are universal, and Freire writes about lots of examples in European and North American culture as well.

Does the book cover happy, pleasant subject material? Could it make people look cynically or question the hegemony that exists in the US today? It could even open students' eyes to hegemony and how it exists in this country. You don't need to study Mexico to see it. Pedagogy of the Oppressed is a great text that provides a vital argument for civic health and the issues that need to be discussed for a more perfect polity.

ThrobblefootSpectre: BuckTurgidson: Remember how the Tucson, AZ school district imposed repressive right-wing-based political mandates on how and what its elementary teachers could teach?

No. I don't think anyone remembers that. Most people don't generally "remember" things that didn't happen.

Right you are, it wasn't just the Tucson, AZ school district.

It was, according to TFA, the State of Arizona Superintendent of Public Instruction who had the offensive materials removed from the premises of all public schools and sequestered in ([flame on] pre-bonfire [flame off] warehouses:

"The books... have been moved to the district storage facility because the classes have been suspended as per the ruling by Arizona Superintendent (of) Public Instruction John Huppenthal," Rene wrote.

A left wing rag lied and exaggerated about what was really happening? Shocking. Next you're gonna tell me TPM and Huffington Post are often full of shiat too.

muck4doo: A left wing rag lied and exaggerated about what was really happening? Shocking. Next you're gonna tell me TPM and Huffington Post are often full of shiat too.

If you don't trust TPM, you don't trust the Word of God Himself. Do you hate God? If so, why are you a Satan-loving God hater?

The texts were among several classroom materials that Huppenthal had said he found troubling last summer, when he announced that the district's Mexican American studies program was illegal.

This is the main issue as far as I see it. How can a Mexican-American studies program be illegal? WTF Arizona?

It's generally a good idea not to treat untestable theories as if they have legitimacy or a place in the curriculum. So let's leave Critical Race Theory out of high school. Let the kids wait a year or two and they can make fun of it in college.

BuckTurgidson: ThrobblefootSpectre: BuckTurgidson: Remember how the Tucson, AZ school district imposed repressive right-wing-based political mandates on how and what its elementary teachers could teach?

No. I don't think anyone remembers that. Most people don't generally "remember" things that didn't happen.

Right you are, it wasn't just the Tucson, AZ school district.

It was, according to TFA, the State of Arizona Superintendent of Public Instruction who had the offensive materials removed from the premises of all public schools and sequestered in ([flame on] pre-bonfire [flame off] warehouses:

"The books... have been moved to the district storage facility because the classes have been suspended as per the ruling by Arizona Superintendent (of) Public Instruction John Huppenthal," Rene wrote.

I thought TFA made it pretty clear that copies of these books are still available for check-out from school libraries.

TFA: In a statement Tuesday, TUSD spokeswoman Cara Rene wrote that the books were not banned. They are still available to students through their school libraries, she wrote.

But seeing has how there is no longer a class built around them they felt they don't need hundreds of copies of each one clogging up their libraries so they sent all but a few for each library to a warehouse for storage. Now proceed with your OUTRAGE!

/hack leftwing sites are just as full of shiat as their hack rightwing counterparts

It's pleasant to see my liberal friends with some sense backtrack and apologize for being swindled by that (pos) website Salon. It's also funny seeing a bunch of holdouts clinging the lies and misrepresented facts of some slanted article.

/Also, hehehe told ya so :)

Frank N Stein: It's pleasant to see my liberal friends with some sense backtrack and apologize for being swindled by that (pos) website Salon. It's also funny seeing a bunch of holdouts clinging the lies and misrepresented facts of some slanted article.

/Also, hehehe told ya so :)

The majority of them won't show up to this thread. They already spewed their derp yesterday, and really don't care that they were made to look like gullible fools.

Pincy:
This is the main issue as far as I see it. How can a Mexican-American studies program be illegal?

It wasn't illegal for being a Mexican-American studies program. it was illegal for teaching bias and hate.

From the ruling (new window):
"The Administrative Law Judge concludes that A.R.S. § 15-112(F) permits the
historical (objective) instruction of oppression that may, as a natural but unintended
consequence, result in racial resentment or ethnic solidarity. However, teaching
oppression objectively is quite different than actively presenting material in a biased,
political, and emotionally charged manner, which is what occurred in MAS classes.
Teaching in such a manner promotes social or political activism against the white
people, promotes racial resentment, and advocates ethnic solidarity, instead of treating
pupils as individuals."

There's a lot more in the ruling.

The local library has algebra books.
If they stop teaching algebra in class, are students going to take it upon themselves to go learn algebra?
We stopped teaching philosophy years ago, and how many students are exposed to it not before they graduate?

Access to a subject in a library is not the same as guided instruction and discussion in a class.
The shame here is that a real issue is being hidden from students because it makes a certain group of people uncomfortable.

King Something: germ78: They don't need to burn the books, the just remove them. While large warehouses fill as quick as the cells.

/rally 'round the family

The books will be handled by top men.


Top.

Men.

Excellent

cirby: Pincy:
This is the main issue as far as I see it. How can a Mexican-American studies program be illegal?

It wasn't illegal for being a Mexican-American studies program. it was illegal for teaching bias and hate.

See, pointing out that your grandfather or that white people in the country were racist 200+ yeas ago makes YOU the real racist.

You know I don't know much at all about the backstory and I can't even be bothered to look. It just amazes me how many people can't wrap their brains around the simple concept of "class is canceled, send the books to the warehouse and three or four copies to the library". It's like, such a simple concept really... very standard. But everyone's all like "Books is banned!"

Don't worry, the "you're racist if you disagree with us" crowd will find another issue to work itself into a frenzy of faux poutrage soon enough.