To what, sixteen? Yippee.

[IRONIC] Choking old fatties bump off homocide.

Headline: Republican taking point supported by evidence
Article: Liberal talking point supported by evidence.

I wonder what took its place on the list? Heavy sack beatings?

RexTalionis: RexTalionis: miss diminutive: I wonder what took its place on the list? Heavy sack beatings?

FTA: "-Heart disease and cancer remain the top killers, accounting for nearly half the nation's more than 2.4 million deaths in 2010. But the death rates from them continued to decline."

Whoops, misread. Homicide's place was taken up by pneumonitis, which is some sort of lung complication.

Yeah, I clearly didn't read the article.

Vodka Zombie: The Right's bedwetting over the Left's non-existent desire to take their beloved guns away is one of the most amusing things about America today. It's a nice, convenient lie, fabricated to sell guns and ammo, and it's told to them every time a Democrat takes office anywhere.

Yeah, but without bullshiat non-issues, all the right has is "we want to take your money and give it to the aristos".

RexTalionis: Yeah, nope, nothing about increased concealed carry leading to higher homicide rates.

Everyone wins!

GAT_00: The idea that concealed carry laws reduce crime is a myth. There simply isn't statistical evidence to back it up.

If they don't increase or decrease the rate of murder then why did anyone care about concealed weapons to begin with?

/There's alot of money spent on gun laws.
/Giving firearms to Mexican cartels isn't cheap.

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I don't give a rat's ass how much or little crime it stops.

I feel safer for having a concealed weapon.

So suck it. Cops can't be everywhere. It's reason enough.

Murders were plummeting before CC, and they've plummeted regardless of whether a state has CC or not.

But don't tell it to the shiat-kickers.

Well I am not going to read this as CC lowers violence rates but one can easily see that allowing CC does not jump violence rates. SO GET WITH THE PROGRAM SPRINGFIELD/CHICAGO. I can haz CC in some form here?

GAT_00: Crime rates have been dropping every year, with the exception of IIRC 2001 - not including 9/11 - since 1994. They drop whether or not carry laws are in place. Texas for example had most of it's crime rate drop from the 1994 peak happen BEFORE concealed carry was legalized. The pace of crime dropping did not increase from the previous year's rate, or really greatly change.

The idea that concealed carry laws reduce crime is a myth. There simply isn't statistical evidence to back it up.

Yep. Contrary to popular belief (think of the children!), we're just becoming a safer society in general, a little more each year.

RickyWilliams'sBong: Murders were plummeting before CC, and they've plummeted regardless of whether a state has CC or not.

Exactly.

/personally has no problem with CC permits being issued

Since this is turning into a gun thread, is anyone keeping track of the number of accidental shootings of children who find dads gun in the nightstand?
Or the ever popular "I was cleaning it and didn't realize it was loaded."

TwistedIvory: RexTalionis: Yeah, nope, nothing about concealed carry.

Indeed. It's not cited as a primary mover, but it very well could be. Complex issues often have complex tributaries.

Nadie_AZ: Hey submitter, a lot of us liberal leaning people here in AmericaLand are actually pro-gun ownership and own guns.

Imagine that. I thought that if you were a gorram dirty librul you were automatically against all guns and were a pansy-ass weakling who likes to smell your own farts.

Guess not.

Nope. As a liberal I fully support gun ownership. I'm thinking it's just some of that old fashioned spin trying to pit us up against each other for really no good reason. Though I do think, in terms of weapon control, that there are indeed people who shouldn't be allowed near a pencil, let alone a gun. But otherwise, the more the merrier.

dustman81: Hey Illinois, get with the program and do what 49 states have already figured out. Armed citizens = lower crime rates. Why? Because criminals don't want to get perforated.



Illinois has lower crime rates now, too. Since you are suggesting that we follow states that have, or have not, enacted laws that led to lower crime rates, I also assume you'd be for stricter gun control on strates that have passed CC based on Illinois' stats?

GAT_00: way south: If they don't increase or decrease the rate of murder then why did anyone care about concealed weapons to begin with?

Because people think guns make them safer. The most common use of your gun in a crime is against you. It's also so people can carry their penis extension with them.

spoken like a true moron. If you know what you're doing with a gun, can handle it and have been trained to use it in the right situation, your chances of protecting yourself in an attack are far greater.

It's funny, because every time I decide to put the gun away for awhile and decide to believe in the inherent good nature of my fellow man, some dirtbag bum, who could be desperate to get five bucks from me, or some asshole whose had too much to drink, or some road rage asshole decides to change my mind.

You don't like guns? You don't want to own a gun? Fine. Be a sucker, that's your choice.

But leave my guns the fark alone.

thalidomide new and improved: It's funny, because every time I decide to put the gun away for awhile and decide to believe in the inherent good nature of my fellow man, some dirtbag bum, who could be desperate to get five bucks from me, or some asshole whose had too much to drink, or some road rage asshole decides to change my mind.

Do you often pull a weapon on drunks, panhandlers, or asshole drivers?

thalidomide new and improved: I don't give a rat's ass how much or little crime it stops.

I feel safer for having a concealed weapon.

So suck it. Cops can't be everywhere. It's reason enough.

I would feel safer if you didn't have a gun.

/Guns don't kill people. Stupid people with guns kill people.

Sgygus: Aborted fetuses do not commit murder.

/am I doing this right?

But, aborted fetuses can vote according to Projectile Veritas.