Build million dollar mosque

Forbid westerners from even entering the city of Mecca.

I am noticing an imbalance in adaptation here. It seems we are supposed to allow them everything while gaining nothing from it.

atomicmask: Build million dollar mosque

Forbid westerners from even entering the city of Mecca.

I am noticing an imbalance in adaptation here. It seems we are supposed to allow them everything while gaining nothing from it.

Westerners are allowed to enter Mecca all they want, so long as they're Muslim.

Also, Saudi Arabia isn't a free, democratic country. Switzerland supposedly is. Being a free country means freedom for everyone, including "them".

caution: I thought Switzerland banned the building of new mosques a couple of years ago.

Switzerland? I thought that was Australia.

atomicmask: Build million dollar mosque

Forbid westerners from even entering the city of Mecca.

I am noticing an imbalance in adaptation here. It seems we are supposed to allow them everything while gaining nothing from it.

Why? Is your life going to end if you can't go to Mecca?

You can always spread pig blood and body parts on the site they plan to build on, after they buy it.

Bacon!!!

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Why would they have trouble raising money for it? Aren't all those oil-rich Arab countries sympathetic to their cause and with plenty of money to spare?

patrick767: Nothing in that article explains why TFA is using the term "radical". Then again, the minaret ban made it clear that when it comes to bigotry, the Swiss make much of the US right wing look like amateurs.

Fark off, bigots.


They have their own particular brand of bigotry... They're really more xenophobic than bigoted, per se. It's an interesting place. A European country with largely European sensibilities, but also strongly xenophobic and one of the gun lovin-est countries in the world. There's been people on those lands for a looooong time, and they have a long history of getting stomped down by armies passing through to other places, which I'm sure has a lot to do with both their xenophobia and their love of an armed citizenry.

They're sort of like what you'd get if you made America really really small, introduced everyone to the European lifestyle and didn't take their guns away.

BurnShrike: Why are Muslims "radical Muslims" but Christians are "conservative Christians"?

Nothing I read in the article makes these people seem like "radicals".

Radical would make hard-line christians sound deceptively interesting.

Jake Havechek: atomicmask: Build million dollar mosque

Forbid westerners from even entering the city of Mecca.

I am noticing an imbalance in adaptation here. It seems we are supposed to allow them everything while gaining nothing from it.

Why? Is your life going to end if you can't go to Mecca?

No, is theirs if they can't come to Europe and the United States?

I wish to god we could preserve our own culture for a change.

atomicmask: Jake Havechek: atomicmask: Build million dollar mosque

Forbid westerners from even entering the city of Mecca.

I am noticing an imbalance in adaptation here. It seems we are supposed to allow them everything while gaining nothing from it.

Why? Is your life going to end if you can't go to Mecca?

No, is theirs if they can't come to Europe and the United States?

I wish to god we could preserve our own culture for a change.

I presume you don't mean the culture of religious tolerance.

What is inherently wrong with wanting to preserve the look and feel for a given area?

It's one thing to tell people they can't practice whatever religion they choose to practice, but what is the problem with establishing building codes to preserve the identity of the area.

If your god is so damned picky that he demands a type of architecture that is native to a specific region, perhaps that wasn't your god telling you to build that architecture, maybe that was your god telling you to live in that original area.

Of course it has nothing to do with religion from my perspective, I get pissed off when CVS tries to build their fugly predesigned stores in the middle of a historic district.

Muslims that surf.

Not just radical but "Totally Radical, Dude!"

Arkanaut: atomicmask: Jake Havechek: atomicmask: Build million dollar mosque

Forbid westerners from even entering the city of Mecca.

I am noticing an imbalance in adaptation here. It seems we are supposed to allow them everything while gaining nothing from it.

Why? Is your life going to end if you can't go to Mecca?

No, is theirs if they can't come to Europe and the United States?

I wish to god we could preserve our own culture for a change.

I presume you don't mean the culture of religious tolerance.

If you really get down to it, religious tolerance may never have been a part of that culture.

If never tested, how can you claim a value with true conviction? I can say that if I found a briefcase full of cash in an alley that I would turn it over to the police, but not having ever been faced with that case of cash, I can't be certain if I would turn it in. Or at least, I might be sure, but someone else shouldn't be.

So it might just be that it's easy to be tolerant when the situation remains hypothetical.

brantgoose: This illustration shows may show why those Iranian missiles keep crashing:

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They really need to reduce the size of their balustrades.


"May the Blessings of the Bomb Almighty, and the Fellowship of the Holy Fallout, descend upon us all. This day and forever more. Amen."



/So mote it be.

The taxpayer should build all places of worship. Then we can consolidate all the radical religious nutjobs into one shared building away from civilised society and let nature take its course.

I would dub this the "Jerusalum Plan".

Muslim: All other religions that worship idols are wrong.

Hume: In what way?

M: They bow down to lumps of rock. Can't you see that's wrong?

H: And when *you* pray, what do *you* pray to?

M: We pray to Allah!

H: So since Allah is everywhere, it doesn't matter which way you face?

M: We must face Mecca.

H: And if you're *in* Mecca, which way do you face?

M: We face the Ka'abah

H: And what *is* the Ka'abah?

M: It's this huge rock...

kim jong-un: What is inherently wrong with wanting to preserve the look and feel for a given area?

It's one thing to tell people they can't practice whatever religion they choose to practice, but what is the problem with establishing building codes to preserve the identity of the area.

If your god is so damned picky that he demands a type of architecture that is native to a specific region, perhaps that wasn't your god telling you to build that architecture, maybe that was your god telling you to live in that original area.

Of course it has nothing to do with religion from my perspective, I get pissed off when CVS tries to build their fugly predesigned stores in the middle of a historic district.

I don't think many people would have much of a problem i there was zoning to prevent construction in a historic area (though specifically banning minarets is an issue, there are plenty of other architectural features just as disruptice that weren't banned), there are plenty of places that have such zoning laws (i.e. no structure over X height). The big problem is that the law bans it in the entire country. While switzerland is fairly small and has lots of history, there are plenty of places to build things that won't destroy a historical skyline.

And so it begins....

Diogenes: The Swiss are at once both the most hospitable and most xenophobic people you'll find in Europe.

Fixed that for residents of Japan, who agree, of course because it would be rude not to.

Diogenes: kim jong-un: What is inherently wrong with wanting to preserve the look and feel for a given area?

Not necessarily, but the entire country? I know it's a smallish country, but I'm sure they have some place to put a mosque.

But a mosque could be built if it didn't have additional structures of a certain height, right? The issue in the original ban wasn't the place of worship, it was the architectural design-- minarets would alter the skyline/landscape of Swiss cities in a way the locals don't want.

Limitations like that happen in cities and prefectures all over-- the local governments can prohibit buildings from being made of dark stone, or having too few windows, too much paint or stucco, etc. Sounds like these locals are just saying "no religious broadcast towers".