Not low enough.

Di Atribe: Perhaps Republicans are starting to figure out that Obama hasn't ruined their lives. Could it be.... possible?

That would be lovely, but judging from internet comments on almost every news site Fark links to... Unlikely.

Code_Archeologist: tallguywithglasseson: Looks like the eventuality of Romney being the nominee is finally dawning on the "true conservatives".

Yeah... the only thing that conservatives can do now is vote for the Libertarian candidate, or try to get somebody decent in the second place position so that it will be "their turn" in 2016.

But as it is looking right now, it will be Newt Gingrich or Rick Santroum's turn next... and if that is the case, get used to the idea of President Elisabeth Warren.

Getting a President Warren would be worth that campaign season. It would be worth quite a bit more actually.
/a man can dream..

Code_Archeologist: tallguywithglasseson: Looks like the eventuality of Romney being the nominee is finally dawning on the "true conservatives".

Yeah... the only thing that conservatives can do now is vote for the Libertarian candidate, or try to get somebody decent in the second place position so that it will be "their turn" in 2016.

But as it is looking right now, it will be Newt Gingrich or Rick Santroum's turn next... and if that is the case, get used to the idea of President Elisabeth Warren.

I'm okay with that.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: When the Cognitive Dissonance sets in Romney will suddenly be the man who handed Reagan the sledgehammer used to knock down the Berlin Wall with a single mighty blow, and the man who is getting the wink & thumbs-up from Jesus Himself.

You excluded the part where Romney exposes (in a suitably dramatic fashion; perhaps some sort of bare knuckle brawl in the oval office) that Obama is actually a Kenyan Muslim who eats WASP babies.

How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Code_Archeologist: President Elisabeth Warren.

She makes me feel kinda funny, like when we used to climb the rope in gym class.

Here is the thing, the Republican party of today is effectively two or three parties. The social/economic conservatives, the social only conservatives, and the economic only conservatives.
Candidates that appeal to one group don't necessarily appeal to the other groups. So once the primaries are over and we have a nominees, either the nominee is a watered down candidate who can slightly appeal to all and get no enthusiasm, or someone who appeals strongly to one group but will get no/few votes form other groups. If the party split up you would have much more enthusiasm from each group about its candidate. Unfortunately the two party system doesn't allow for this.

Carth: How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Did you see the RP supporter interviewed on CNN after the New Hampshire debate; he said flat out, if RP does not get the nod he is voting for Obama

make me some tea: I'd just like to point out, yes again, that the election is still 10 months away and Obama hasn't even begun to campaign yet.

There's no need. Obama has a job to do, and every day he spends doing it is quite actually a point for his upcoming campaign.

meat0918: And they are half right. Mitt has a liberal problem. He too liberally changes his mind when the winds change.

Yep. Romney's a waste of time. He's been picked because he's the most photogenic example of the "rich, white, upstanding Republican candidate" template. Never mind that he's part of the problem, or that he's useless, or that he can't even articulate a simple "yes or no" answer to basic, direct questions because he's terrified he won't be able to weasel out of an undesirable answer on a later date. No, he's white, rich, well-coiffed, dresses well, and so all of that allows him to at least meet the minimum requirements for Republican office.

It doesn't matter who the Republicans field - to a person, their Presidential candidates are "throwaways", meant to burn Democratic funds in a Presidential "race" magnified by media anxious to garner eyes, while the GOP hunker down & hope that the Congressional "race" doesn't cost them Congress. Congress is where it's at right now - the Republicans have spent years grinding the country into the dirt. Blockading anything & everything that may make a Democrat look good or useful, pushing ridiculous legislation that has undermined the very foundations of this country, all the while crowing about how they're going to guarantee that Obama is a one-term President.

The Republicans in Congress have failed, and they don't want too many people to realize it, so they've drummed up this ridiculous dog-and-pony show, a year and a half before the 2012 elections, to keep your eyes & ears firmly glued to the five morons that remain on the GOP Presidential roster. The GOP knows full well they have a snowball's chance in Hell of getting into the Oval Office in 2012, but letting these idiots fund their own campaigns, along with blowing whatever teabagger money they can scrape up to ensure that the teabaggers can't derail the GOP's 2012 Congressional efforts, is a sound strategic ploy.

monoski: Carth: How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Did you see the RP supporter interviewed on CNN after the New Hampshire debate; he said flat out, if RP does not get the nod he is voting for Obama

Exactly. Ron Paul and Obama share almost zero policy stances. I have no idea why his supporters would switch to Obama.

Carth: monoski: Carth: How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Did you see the RP supporter interviewed on CNN after the New Hampshire debate; he said flat out, if RP does not get the nod he is voting for Obama

Exactly. Ron Paul and Obama share almost zero policy stances. I have no idea why his supporters would switch to Obama.

They are both "Not Mitt Romney", so there's that.

FormlessOne: make me some tea: I'd just like to point out, yes again, that the election is still 10 months away and Obama hasn't even begun to campaign yet.

There's no need. Obama has a job to do, and every day he spends doing it is quite actually a point for his upcoming campaign...

Yeah, this.

WILLARD.

ROMNEY.

OBSOLESCENCE.

Carth: monoski: Carth: How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Did you see the RP supporter interviewed on CNN after the New Hampshire debate; he said flat out, if RP does not get the nod he is voting for Obama

Exactly. Ron Paul and Obama share almost zero policy stances. I have no idea why his supporters would switch to Obama.

They are both personalities, even celebrities in a way, whose very presence represents something greater than themselves, and I don't mean that necessarily as a negative for either of them. Obama stands as a visual representation of change from the normal, even if his actions may or may not confirm that. Ron Paul stands as a radical deviation from the normal, at least rhetorically. Romney is about as normal a politician as you can find.

Carth: monoski: Carth: How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Did you see the RP supporter interviewed on CNN after the New Hampshire debate; he said flat out, if RP does not get the nod he is voting for Obama

Exactly. Ron Paul and Obama share almost zero policy stances. I have no idea why his supporters would switch to Obama.

It's almost as if Ron Paul supporters are blithering morons who don't really know anything about politics.

Lost Thought 00: Carth: monoski: Carth: How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Did you see the RP supporter interviewed on CNN after the New Hampshire debate; he said flat out, if RP does not get the nod he is voting for Obama

Exactly. Ron Paul and Obama share almost zero policy stances. I have no idea why his supporters would switch to Obama.

They are both personalities, even celebrities in a way, whose very presence represents something greater than themselves, and I don't mean that necessarily as a negative for either of them. Obama stands as a visual representation of change from the normal, even if his actions may or may not confirm that. Ron Paul stands as a radical deviation from the normal, at least rhetorically. Romney is about as normal a politician as you can find.

They both appear to treat voters as intelligent human beings. The rest of candidates have no problem supporting the idiotic right wing meme of the day. (Though I did catch a few nutty anti-Obama stuff come out of the RP camp early in Obama's Presidency, it upset me as I thought RP was above such stupidity :( )

Mr. Coffee Nerves: When the Cognitive Dissonance sets in Romney will suddenly be the man who handed Reagan the sledgehammer used to knock down the Berlin Wall with a single mighty blow, and the man who is getting the wink & thumbs-up from Jesus Himself.

Yup. This is why I cringe when I hear Democrats/liberals say that Romney doesn't have a chance against Obama because conservative voters hate him. These are the same people who by February 2009 had forgotten that it was Bush and not Obama who bailed out the banks when the recession hit. Ten months is more than enough time for these people to forget that they had once hated Romney.

what_now: Lets not sucking each other's dicks quite yet. She needs to be elected to the Senate first.

NOW you tell me ... sheesh

Code_Archeologist: tallguywithglasseson: Looks like the eventuality of Romney being the nominee is finally dawning on the "true conservatives".

Yeah... the only thing that conservatives can do now is vote for the Libertarian candidate, or try to get somebody decent in the second place position so that it will be "their turn" in 2016.

But as it is looking right now, it will be Newt Gingrich or Rick Santroum's turn next... and if that is the case, get used to the idea of President Elisabeth Warren.

Newt will be far too old in 2016. Hell, he's already too old, but in 2016 not only would he still have all his old skeleton's in his closet, he'll be 73... sorry man, that is WAY too old. And Santorum is simply unelectable.

FWIW, Elizabeth Warren will be 67 in 2016... and, IMHO, that is pushing the bounds of viability for a first time presidential candidate.

max_pooper: Carth: monoski: Carth: How could anyone who has to choose from the current selection be enthusiastic? The fact RON PAUL supporters are so vocal for their candidate just shows they aren't quiet right in the head.

Did you see the RP supporter interviewed on CNN after the New Hampshire debate; he said flat out, if RP does not get the nod he is voting for Obama

Exactly. Ron Paul and Obama share almost zero policy stances. I have no idea why his supporters would switch to Obama.

It's almost as if Ron Paul supporters are blithering morons who don't really know anything about politics.

Or they see Fartbongo as the best republican in the field???
//If you are a republican; is there a candidate you would vote for in this group. Meh, yes registered GOP voter and will be voting Obama

My enthusiasm has dropped so low and the GOP fiscal conservative focus become so muddled that I figure I'm close enough on most of my other views to switch teams (not that way perverts).

In all honesty when I think about it on a deeper level the D's have come so far right in the last 20 years they're closer to my own views anyway....

/would love some middle groun 3rd party already...

Fizpez: My enthusiasm has dropped so low and the GOP fiscal conservative focus become so muddled that I figure I'm close enough on most of my other views to switch teams (not that way perverts).

In all honesty when I think about it on a deeper level the D's have come so far right in the last 20 years they're closer to my own views anyway....

/would love some middle groun 3rd party already...

Personally, I am hoping for a left of center 3rd party. As you describe the D's are so far right that they are more conservative than recent GOP presidents. I would just like something to pull the discussions to the left a bit rather than just "less right".

Code_Archeologist: Yeah... the only thing that conservatives can do now is vote for the Libertarian candidate, or try to get somebody decent in the second place position so that it will be "their turn" in 2016.

The likely Libertarian candidate, Gary Johnson, pretty much burned his bridges with conservatives with this little gem (in response to a call for GOP candidates to sign the "Family Leader Pledge")...

"...While the Family Leader pledge covers just about every other so-called virtue they can think of, the one that is conspicuously missing is tolerance. In one concise document, they manage to condemn gays, single parents, single individuals, divorcees, Muslims, gays in the military, unmarried couples, women who choose to have abortions, and everyone else who doesn't fit in a Norman Rockwell painting.

The Republican Party cannot afford to have a Presidential candidate who condones intolerance, bigotry and the denial of liberty to the citizens of this country. If we nominate such a candidate, we will never capture the White House in 2012. If candidates who sign this pledge somehow think they are scoring some points with some core constituency of the Republican Party, they are doing so at the peril of writing off the vast majority of Americans who want no part of this 'pledge' and its offensive language."

That's the kind thing which can, and in this case did, drum your ass right out of the GOP.

It's a good thing that Obama is an uncharismatic fellow with a poor command of public speaking, otherwise Romney would not stand a chance. [\sarcasm]

/The GOP really screwed up by having so many debates.
//They've already exhausted all of their talking points.

Wicked Chinchilla: Getting a President Warren would be worth that campaign season. It would be worth quite a bit more actually.
/a man can dream..

Hell I'd vote for her this year if she ran against Obama in a primary.

My daughters spot on analysis of Romney. " Santorum is a jerk but Romney is worse at least you know what Santorum stands for Romney gives you the impression he will say anything to get elected. "