Are they statistically unsafe?

Okay guys you are so smart, why is this story so ridiculous?

The speed at which she listed, the speed at which she turned over seems to indicate the Costa Concordia is a very unstable ship. She has half a dozen other ships designed just like her, each carrying 4000 people.

Just because you get away with a risky design and risky behaviors for a long time does not mean you are safe. It just means you are lucky.

They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em sink.

skinnycatullus: dj_bigbird: Don't you mean 1915? The Lusitania was torpedoed in 1915, the Italian ship was torpedoed in 2012.....

The Titanic, you dolt!

/hehe

You're way off. Titanic was 1997. They didn't even have talking movies in 1912, let alone special effects of that caliber.

I just want to know what kind of crazy person designs a ship made of steel. Everyone knows that steel can't float. To make sure I did some tests: I filled my bathtub with water and threw some forks, a wrench and a hammer into it. They all sank.

It's amazing the ship went as long as it did before sinking.

miss diminutive: I just want to know what kind of crazy person designs a ship made of steel. Everyone knows that steel can't float. To make sure I did some tests: I filled my bathtub with water and threw some forks, a wrench and a hammer into it. They all sank.

It's amazing the ship went as long as it did before sinking.

Wait until you find out what they make airplanes out of. You're going to totally flip out.

I have no idea if Suri is safe.

xl5150: They bought their tickets, they knew what they were getting into. I say, let 'em sink.

came for airplane reference; leaving satisfied.

Yo, dawg! I heard you like a boat on the ocean, so I put some ocean on your boat on that ocean!

/Standard 2AM-got-nothin'

Yes. Mostly. About as safe as any other form of transportation.

RoyBatty: Okay guys you are so smart, why is this story so ridiculous?

The speed at which she listed, the speed at which she turned over seems to indicate the Costa Concordia is a very unstable ship. She has half a dozen other ships designed just like her, each carrying 4000 people.

Just because you get away with a risky design and risky behaviors for a long time does not mean you are safe. It just means you are lucky.

No, it indicates that the captain was an idiot who made a sharp turn in complete disregard of the free-surface effect. Most ships would turn over like that if you put a large hole in them and then made a sharp turn; about the only ones who wouldn't are full and down bulkers and oil tankers.

It's not a a dangerous design, just a colossal moron who fell asleep during stability class.

"Four weeks? What are you, out of your mind? You think I'm gonna spend the last four weeks of my life drifting around on that dago boat?!?"

RoyBatty: Okay guys you are so smart, why is this story so ridiculous?

The speed at which she listed, the speed at which she turned over seems to indicate the Costa Concordia is a very unstable ship. She has half a dozen other ships designed just like her, each carrying 4000 people.

Just because you get away with a risky design and risky behaviors for a long time does not mean you are safe. It just means you are lucky.

Have you seen the size of the hole in the hull?

Tens, maybe even hundreds of thousands of gallons of water were flooding into the ship a minute. This was no ordinary accident, it would have sunk just about any passenger ship in the world.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: My biggest worry about a cruise as a potential vacation has more to do with being trapped with the same mouth-breating asspipes for every meal for a week as they tell me about their grandchildren being incipient geniuses, undying love for "Gallagher," belief that queers are ruining the soil, investment plans via "Goldline" and Apocalypse Chow, adoration of (insert SEC team here), and fervent insistence that the $1/hour Dominican cook is rubbing his balls on our Crab Imperial.

Um...so those are bad things?

As far as I'm aware, it was crew incompetence. DIdn't they run aground because they were too close to shore? Don't they have radar or maps?

Washington State Ferry captains cross through the San Juan islands every day in all kinds of weather. Depending on the tide, many of the islands can be submerged and just below the surface, but invisible. They ferries still somehow manage to avoid colliding with them.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: and fervent insistence that the $1/hour Dominican cook is rubbing his balls on our Crab Imperial.

I believe you have to pay extra for that.

Rich white people problems. ...

untaken_name: miss diminutive: I just want to know what kind of crazy person designs a ship made of steel. Everyone knows that steel can't float. To make sure I did some tests: I filled my bathtub with water and threw some forks, a wrench and a hammer into it. They all sank.

It's amazing the ship went as long as it did before sinking.

Wait until you find out what they make airplanes out of. try burning them. You're going to totally flip out.




/That image was as close as i could get to finding the one that looks like someone is trying to set a bird cage on fire.

//Nevah fergit.

farkityfarker: As far as I'm aware, it was crew incompetence. DIdn't they run aground because they were too close to shore? Don't they have radar or maps?

Washington State Ferry captains cross through the San Juan islands every day in all kinds of weather. Depending on the tide, many of the islands can be submerged and just below the surface, but invisible. They ferries still somehow manage to avoid colliding with them.

In this latest instance, they were too close to shore because the head chef or someone wanted to wave to his family staying on a privately owned island. The captain intentionally took it off course just for this reason. And he wrecked it, lied to the coast guard about it being an emergency, left the ship, and refused to re-board it to coordinate rescue more than five times. Basically, he did absolutely nothing that would help him in any way in the coming show trial.

farkityfarker: As far as I'm aware, it was crew incompetence. DIdn't they run aground because they were too close to shore? Don't they have radar or maps?

Washington State Ferry captains cross through the San Juan islands every day in all kinds of weather. Depending on the tide, many of the islands can be submerged and just below the surface, but invisible. They ferries still somehow manage to avoid colliding with them.

They ran aground because the captain was showboating and chose to attempt to pass in between two rocks just barely farther apart from each other than the beam of his ship.

One could argue that the charts showed that the ship *could* pass in between the rocks, as long as it was dead center in the middle. Of course anyone with half a brain would also see that the passage was never intended or surveyed to be a navigable channel for such a large vessel.

farkityfarker: As far as I'm aware, it was crew incompetence. DIdn't they run aground because they were too close to shore? Don't they have radar or maps?

Washington State Ferry captains cross through the San Juan islands every day in all kinds of weather. Depending on the tide, many of the islands can be submerged and just below the surface, but invisible. They ferries still somehow manage to avoid colliding with them.

I looked at the spot of the accident on Google Maps satellite whatever (new window). there is a very large rock in the water there.

Or, there was.

No, they are not safe: Nothing will protect you from the bad perfume, horrid conversation, and all around brain-killing experience that is the modern cruise. If you want to eat crappy food, sleep in a sh*thole, and surround yourself with the equivalent of lobotomized sports fans, by all means go on a cruise.

I'd rather rent a houseboat with friends and drink myself into a coma.

Aboleth: I have no idea if Suri is safe.

I'm pretty sure she's still a virgin, so as long as you get to her first...

/use a condom anyway, though
//just in case

"The possibility of sinking is the last thing you want to think about when booking a carefree vacation at sea."

The possibility of crashing is the last thing you want to think about when booking a flight.

The possibility of crashing is the last thing you want to think about when driving to (insert location here).

lohphat: 40,000+ die on the road in the US annually but we don't make driving safer through more stringent driver's exams and equipment mandates.

If we made driving as arduous to remain legally current to drive as we do to fly, we'd not have all that carnage.

If people were strictly liable for any damage they caused through negligence, that would help, too. Mandatory insurance doesn't make people safer - it causes them to relax their vigilance since they expect the insurance company to pay for their mistakes.

The only thing less safe than being on a cruise is to skydive into one.

lohphat: 40,000+ die on the road in the US annually but we don't make driving safer through more stringent driver's exams and equipment mandates.

If we made driving as arduous to remain legally current to drive as we do to fly, we'd not have all that carnage.


That would have been a better presidential response on 09/12/01 than going on live TV and defecating himself. Then wiping his ass with the bill of rights.
/aristocrat.

Indolent: At least no icebergs were hurt this time.

Save the icebergs!

no love for the Greenbergs?

It's a pretty small car, but it does have airbags:

Mr. Coffee Nerves
belief that queers are ruining the soil,

heheh

RoyBatty: Okay guys you are so smart, why is this story so ridiculous?

The speed at which she listed, the speed at which she turned over seems to indicate the Costa Concordia is a very unstable ship. She has half a dozen other ships designed just like her, each carrying 4000 people.

Just because you get away with a risky design and risky behaviors for a long time does not mean you are safe. It just means you are lucky.

It took 45 minutes between the impact and the order to abandon ship, that's a fair old time as far as i am concerned. Also did you see the damage to the hull? That is not your average collision!

Is this CNNs MO now?

gmoney101: RoyBatty: Okay guys you are so smart, why is this story so ridiculous?

The speed at which she listed, the speed at which she turned over seems to indicate the Costa Concordia is a very unstable ship. She has half a dozen other ships designed just like her, each carrying 4000 people.

Just because you get away with a risky design and risky behaviors for a long time does not mean you are safe. It just means you are lucky.

It took 45 minutes between the impact and the order to abandon ship, that's a fair old time as far as i am concerned. Also did you see the damage to the hull? That is not your average collision!



She DOES look pretty top-heavy, but that's hardly a professional engineering analysis.

I'm not saying it was aliens...

Oznog: gmoney101: RoyBatty: Okay guys you are so smart, why is this story so ridiculous?

The speed at which she listed, the speed at which she turned over seems to indicate the Costa Concordia is a very unstable ship. She has half a dozen other ships designed just like her, each carrying 4000 people.

Just because you get away with a risky design and risky behaviors for a long time does not mean you are safe. It just means you are lucky.

It took 45 minutes between the impact and the order to abandon ship, that's a fair old time as far as i am concerned. Also did you see the damage to the hull? That is not your average collision!

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She DOES look pretty top-heavy, but that's hardly a professional engineering analysis.

So do Aircraft carriers. Looks can be deceiving mainly because you can't really tell how well it's ballasted just by looking at it from the outside. You can bet that before they bought one bit of steel for the hull that they crunched the numbers and took a hard look at the results. That the ship stayed upright for as long as it did with the hole as big as it was is actually a testament to how well it was designed and built.

This incident was completely avoidable and I don't think that the basic design had anything to do with it. This is just a very good example of piss poor seamanship on many different levels and why the captain will get most of the blame for the sinking. Carnival will also get some of the blame for hiring such an incompetent captain and I wouldn't be surprised if the insurance company catches some heat too (they have to approve the captains of the ships that they insure. No approval, no insurance). Regardless, nobody is going to come out of this smelling like roses.

Mr. Coffee Nerves: belief that queers are ruining the soil,

You know what Mr. Coffee Nerves, I like you. You're not like other people, here on fark.