Elite(bow?)

Did he have to ask his dad?

DanZero: Elite(bow?)

Dang. Is this, like, six degrees of Tim Tebow or something? :P

/because if it is, I might have to start drinking a lot harder
//nothing against Tebow really - he seems like a nice kid and all - but the hype is ridiculous.
///obvious statement is obvious, old news is so exciting, etc.

becksellent: DanZero: Elite(bow?)

Dang. Is this, like, six degrees of Tim Tebow or something? :P

/because if it is, I might have to start drinking a lot harder
//nothing against Tebow really - he seems like a nice kid and all - but the hype is ridiculous.
///obvious statement is obvious, old news is so exciting, etc.

I actually did it wrong -- Eli - te(bow)

If everyone else can do it, can I? :D

But yes I do agree with you on the hype machine.

DanZero: I actually did it wrong -- Eli - te(bow)

If everyone else can do it, can I? :D

But yes I do agree with you on the hype machine.

Eh, I knew what you meant. ;) We were kind of on the same wavelength, I guess - and that should probably worry you, lol.

/if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? :P

becksellent: DanZero: I actually did it wrong -- Eli - te(bow)

If everyone else can do it, can I? :D

But yes I do agree with you on the hype machine.

Eh, I knew what you meant. ;) We were kind of on the same wavelength, I guess - and that should probably worry you, lol.

/if everyone else jumped off a cliff, would you? :P

Worried? NAW! When it comes to football, that's great.

I'd not jump off a cliff! All the Fark I could handle by myself! All my bad headlines would be greened, and I'd be able to collect many more pics for my collection!

/and then crawl in the corner all bored and FOREVER ALONE.

every giant fan i knew blamed him for the non-playoff season last year.

Three Crooked Squirrels: I can't stand Eli because he held the draft hostage. fark him.



John Elway says "I got away with it. Why can't Eli?"

expobill: every giant fan i knew blamed him for the non-playoff season last year.

This. Many were calling for him to go.
Also, Eli plays for the giants defense? Because that was the only elite squad on the field in lambeau.

Nadie_AZ: Three Crooked Squirrels: No, your not wrong. But as a Bengals fan, what Eli pulled could easily happen to us. The draft is the draft. Play by the rules. And while I'm at it, fark Elway for pulling his draft crap, too.

We agree. He should have gone to the Colts, Payton to the Chargers and Eli to the Chargers. Come to think of it, the Chargers could have been the home to many HoF QBs ....

Nope.

I'm sorry, but if you're a top prospect, and you know going into the draft that the team that is going to draft you is absolutely incompetent, then you have every right to do what is necessary to get drafted into a better organization. Considering how easily players get screwed over by teams, if labor is good enough to keep a bad organization from drafting him more power to him.

Elway could see that Robert Irsay was a train wreck, and the Mannings' opinion of AJ Smith's ability to run the Chargers' front office have been entirely validated.

Three Crooked Squirrels: I can't stand Eli because he held the draft hostage. fark him.

He told San Diego that he did not want to play there. They knew that drafting him was not going to be a good idea. Yet they did it anyways, with the plan that they would trade him to someone else since he was the most valuable player available in the draft.

As far as the "why" he didn't want to go play for the Chargers...Well, let's just say there are some rumors about their treatment of rookie QBs, particularly Ryan Leaf:

... After they were drafted, [Peyton] Manning told Leaf about how well the Colts organization treated him. They basically bent over backward to make his transition to the NFL as smooth as possible, taking care of all the non-football stuff so Peyton could concentrate on immersing himself into the Colts offense.

Manning was stunned to hear that Leaf's experience was completely different. Our golfing partner said that Leaf was basically left to figure it out for himself. If that's true, you combine it with the legendary stories about what an immature jerk Leaf is and begin understand why he crashed so quickly. Again, this is coming from a family friend. Who knows what the Chargers did or did not do for their rookie QB, or whether their management team was equipped to deal with such a high-maintenance player.

Regardless of who was at fault for the failed Leaf-Chargers marriage, the allegedly shabby treatment of Leaf stuck with the Manning clan. And, our new golf buddy explained, that's why Archie Manning, the patriarch, threw such a fit on draft day when Eli was picked by San Diego.

If a player says off the bat that they don't want to play for your team, you'd be a fool to draft them. Even if you plan to trade them away, you won't get full value for them because the receiving team knows you're desperate.

As a New Englander I pains me to say it but there are few QB's that show up in big games like Eli does. He's still got that koont boo boo face but the kid is money.

Dinobot: I'd find it hilarious if Eli ends up with more rings that Peyton.

Why? The Giants were already winners before Eli came along. The Colts have a long history of failure. One player isn't going to change the entire culture of a team, even if it is The Manning.

FreakinB: expobill: every giant fan i knew blamed him for the non-playoff season last year.

Eh. Eli wasn't great and did some dumb shiat, but a lot of his interceptions were tipped by his own receivers. Not that it was a good year, but his INT numbers were a bit misleading. He shouldn't have had *that* many.

But this year he was the absolute MVP of the team. No running game and crappy D for long stretches of the year and the Giants still win the division.

i guess that was my point, how things can change.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: UNC_Samurai: I'm sorry, but if you're a top prospect, and you know going into the draft that the team that is going to draft you is absolutely incompetent, then you have every right to do what is necessary to get drafted into a better organization.

This is patently absurd. If you know you're going to be a top 5 pick you have every reason to expect that you will be going to a horrible team. That is what the draft is all about, improving horrible teams at the expense of demonstrably good ones.

There's a difference between bad teams missing a piece here or there and toxic waste sites.
Just sayin'

I don't care. I love Eli and am thrilled he's the QB for my favorite team. I couldn't care less if he's classified as "elite" by the peanut gallery.

Yanks_RSJ: I don't care. I love Eli and am thrilled he's the QB for my favorite team. I couldn't care less if he's classified as "elite" by the peanut gallery.
Agreed. I know as a fan, I'd much rather my team win a Super Bowl than not win a Super Bowl. I don't care who the QB is. Even if it's freaking Brad Johnson or Jeff Hostetler.

Adolf Oliver Nipples: UNC_Samurai: I'm sorry, but if you're a top prospect, and you know going into the draft that the team that is going to draft you is absolutely incompetent, then you have every right to do what is necessary to get drafted into a better organization.

This is patently absurd. If you know you're going to be a top 5 pick you have every reason to expect that you will be going to a horrible team. That is what the draft is all about, improving horrible teams at the expense of demonstrably good ones.

If you believe Peter King's account of it (and I completely understand if you don't because PK is a buffoon) San Diego liked Rivers more but drafted Eli because they knew how badly the Giants wanted him and figured they could pick up other assets in a trade. Which they did.

In other words, every team ended up with the QB they wanted, and people from San Diego can just go climb a rope because they know how dysfunctional they are as an organization. For one thing, they used one of the picks they got from the Giants on a kicker who missed every important FG he ever attempted. They used another on roid freak who flamed out. Now, they've embraced mediocrity as an organization by retaining the men responsible for annual underachievement.

Gee, why didn't Eli want to play there.

FreakinB: merkey88: Also, Eli plays for the giants defense? Because that was the only elite squad on the field in lambeau

I don't think you're giving Eli enough credit there, but holy shiat was the D awesome. Especially when you consider that both of the Packers' touchdown drives were kept alive by bad calls.

They've been much better now that the entire D-Line has finally been healthy. With everyone playing on the line the Giants don't really need to blitz, so they can be more conservative with their relatively shiatty LB's and secondary.

I'm fully aware of the turnaround Eli has had. I passed on him in several rounds in fantasy because he had so many turnovers, and he lost smith in the offseason. Obviously I regretted that quite early. Although I did pick up Cruz so that went well.

skinink: Don't fark this up, Niners!!!
Really, was that all Eli's skill to score that Hail Mary TD before the half or just a huge farkup by the Packers' defense? For an elite QB, Manning sure throws his share of wounded duck passes.

six of one..

though really, Eli doesn't get enough credit for his 2 minute game. He's actually better than his brother in some ways.

Peyton is more organized in general, and there's no QB.. no one.. I'd rather have before the snap, if you need to improvise.
Eli, however, is a lot better at improvising -after- the snap, and to my eyes, handles pocket pressure better as well.

UNC_Samurai: Nadie_AZ: Three Crooked Squirrels: No, your not wrong. But as a Bengals fan, what Eli pulled could easily happen to us. The draft is the draft. Play by the rules. And while I'm at it, fark Elway for pulling his draft crap, too.

We agree. He should have gone to the Colts, Payton to the Chargers and Eli to the Chargers. Come to think of it, the Chargers could have been the home to many HoF QBs ....

Nope.

I'm sorry, but if you're a top prospect, and you know going into the draft that the team that is going to draft you is absolutely incompetent, then you have every right to do what is necessary to get drafted into a better organization. Considering how easily players get screwed over by teams, if labor is good enough to keep a bad organization from drafting him more power to him.

Elway could see that Robert Irsay was a train wreck, and the Mannings' opinion of AJ Smith's ability to run the Chargers' front office have been entirely validated.

I agree... the ownership of the Colts and their stadium situation put that entire franchise in disarray. Had the Colts had solid ownership and a stadium deal, Elway would have been a Colt.

Eli's lacking that certain je ne sais quoi.

The Bestest: skinink: Don't fark this up, Niners!!!
Really, was that all Eli's skill to score that Hail Mary TD before the half or just a huge farkup by the Packers' defense? For an elite QB, Manning sure throws his share of wounded duck passes.

six of one..

though really, Eli doesn't get enough credit for his 2 minute game. He's actually better than his brother in some ways.

Peyton is more organized in general, and there's no QB.. no one.. I'd rather have before the snap, if you need to improvise.
Eli, however, is a lot better at improvising -after- the snap, and to my eyes, handles pocket pressure better as well.

The fact that Eli threw for first downs on at least seven or eight 3rd-and-long plays is all luck too. Every time he completes a pass it's either luck or bad defense. He's clearly the luckiest player in the history of the NFL.

side-note, how many goats nightly do you think the NY media is sacrificing in hopes the Jets trade for Peyton?

Gulper Eel: Nadie_AZ: But he's matured an seems to just fine as a quarterback. Good for him. He's the only QB that has given the NE Patsies an SB loss after a perfect season. I'm no fan of the Giants, but I've much love for that- and if they do it again, I'll give them all the more love.

Good luck with that, but Brady looked like he wanted to throw another five TD passes on Saturday, just in case there were any sportswriters still confused about who was the motherfarkin' boss.

The Giants are peaking at the right time and I figure they can scrape out a win at San Francisco, but Brady is peaking too. I give the Ravens even less of a shot than I did Denver.

I'm a huge Pats fan and while I admire the confidence I must say what a dumb last sentence that is

Adolf Oliver Nipples: You have to give him credit, but there's just something about him that makes me reluctant to say that he's elite. Rodgers, Peyton, Brees, Roethlisberger, they make it look easy. Eli makes everything look like an adventure.

Yep. Eli's awesome in the fourth quarter when the game is winnable and he's amazing in the big games. Ironically, it's his lackluster performance against lesser teams that keep him from being spoken of in the same sentence as those guys. Giants v. Saints, I'll pick the team with Eli. Saints v. Panthers and Giants v. Panthers the next week? Give me the Saints to beat the spread the first week and the under and no bet on the winner for the following week.

Manfred J. Hattan: Y Saints v. Panthers and Giants v. Panthers the next week? Give me the Saints to beat the spread the first week and the under and no bet on the winner for the following week.

When the Panthers win the NFC South next year, a lot of you are gonna look silly.

robsul82: Manfred J. Hattan: Giants v. Saints, I'll pick the team with Eli.

I'd take the Saints to replicate what happened Week 12, but hey.

I'd probably have to agree, I considered the Superdome the only place the Giants couldn't win this postseason. Fortunately, they don't have to worry about that.