as far as i know...there has never been any time travel mentioned in star wars.

they do that on a regular basis in star trek.

-so...the federation would stop the sith, any way they could.

the star wars galaxy is "just a galaxy" in the universe.

there is no distinct reference to a hyperdrives capabilities vs. a warp driven starship.

and the empire hasn't even figured out how to build a transporter.

although lucas hinted at that tech in the original "star wars".

-there was no evidence to support that claim, however.

the ability to teleport matter...is astounding, in the extreme.

hell...even sg-1 could have kicked the empires ass.

o'neill...with "2 L's"...ftw.

and i never saw any evidence that the "death star" could make the jump into hyperspace.

it was taken out by inferior spaceships, twice.

if i trot out my "star wars" map of their galaxy...it's not "that far" from alderaan to yavin.

if the thing had hyperspace capabilities...it would have been there before the millenium falcon had time to "refuel".

right?

Bauer: and i never saw any evidence that the "death star" could make the jump into hyperspace.

it was taken out by inferior spaceships, twice.


The battlestation also included two massive sublight engines in the midsection, as well as a formidable hyperdrive system. Driven by 123 individual generators tied to one navigational matrix, the Class 4 hyperdrive was fast enough to allow the Death Star to travel thousands of light years from Alderaan to Yavin IV in only a few hours. (new window)

The first time it was taken out by the force, the second time it was those damn Ewoks. The most feared race in all the Galaxy.

NuttierThanEver: Sorry but the Enterprise was more manueverable but in an average battle on the show they lose their shields in about 3 hits. The superior weaponry of the Empire would prevail

you are assuming that "turbo lasers" can penetrate a federation starships shields.
the federation has bested many an opponent using that type of weapon.

and with abolative armor...and modulated shields...the empire would be no match for the feds.

a standard photon torpedo is capable of much more damage than any imperial craft could withstand.

and also...a federation ship could easily beam a photon torpedo into the death star, once the shields have been "cracked".

even with the death stars mighty "blaster"...it only faces one side.

there is no way the federation would lose in a battle with a death star.

the federation would win...hands down.

if the emperors "force powers" were so magnificent...he wouldn't need a death star.

i get it...

lightsabers are cool...but they are no match for the federation.

Bauer: NuttierThanEver: Sorry but the Enterprise was more manueverable but in an average battle on the show they lose their shields in about 3 hits. The superior weaponry of the Empire would prevail

you are assuming that "turbo lasers" can penetrate a federation starships shields.
the federation has bested many an opponent using that type of weapon.

and with abolative armor...and modulated shields...the empire would be no match for the feds.

a standard photon torpedo is capable of much more damage than any imperial craft could withstand.

and also...a federation ship could easily beam a photon torpedo into the death star, once the shields have been "cracked".

even with the death stars mighty "blaster"...it only faces one side.

there is no way the federation would lose in a battle with a death star.

the federation would win...hands down.

"Quadanium steel or Quadanium alloy was an extremely durable metallic substance. The surface of the first and second Death Stars were made of quadanium steel. The planet Despayre was a source of quadanium for the construction of the first Death Star. Quadanium was a registered trademark within the Empire. The TIE/ln starfighter and all of its decedents were also made out of Quadanium steel."

i'm sure that lucas came up with all of this. lol!

that explains why a tie fighter could easily be desrtoyed...and yet, the death star was so badass.

and the "information" on the death stars "hyperdrive"?

lol lol lol

well then...the enterprise could summon demons with a six demon bag!!!

i heard it somewhere...so it must be true!

AmorousRedDragon: Bauer: NuttierThanEver: Sorry but the Enterprise was more manueverable but in an average battle on the show they lose their shields in about 3 hits. The superior weaponry of the Empire would prevail

you are assuming that "turbo lasers" can penetrate a federation starships shields.
the federation has bested many an opponent using that type of weapon.

and with abolative armor...and modulated shields...the empire would be no match for the feds.

a standard photon torpedo is capable of much more damage than any imperial craft could withstand.

and also...a federation ship could easily beam a photon torpedo into the death star, once the shields have been "cracked".

even with the death stars mighty "blaster"...it only faces one side.

there is no way the federation would lose in a battle with a death star.

the federation would win...hands down.

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lol

are we going to base this "discussion" from what was shown in the actual movies...or some fanbois heresay?

tada!

NeedlesslyCanadian: Bauer: if i trot out my "star wars" map of their galaxy...it's not "that far" from alderaan to yavin.

Alderaan's a Core world while Yavin is in the Outer Rim, and off of the main hyperspace spines.

that's just a run around the block to a warp driven starship.

look at how quickly the "new" enterprise made it to vulcan, from earth.

you have to ask yourself...why choose the name "star wars".

obviously..."the adventures of luke starkiller"...or "the star wars"...didn't have the punch to compete with star trek.

so you have "star wars".

that in itself, is an admission of inferiority...and "i got nothing", on lucas' part.

Bauer: are we going to base this "discussion" from what was shown in the actual movies...or some fanbois heresay?

Alright buddy.

Death Star II

Size:
>900KM (~450KM to burn through to reach the fusion core, Enterprise was too wide to fly into the superstructure)

Armament:
Composite Superlaser
15000 Turbolaser batteries
15000 Heavy Turbolaser batteries
7500 Laser cannon batteries
5000 Ion cannon batteries
760 Tractor beam generators
7200 TIE starfighters
16 Capital ships
2480 GAT-12 Skipray blastboats
1860 Dropships
13000 Support craft, including ground assault

Personnel:
485560 Crew
152275 Gunners
1295950 Troops
127570 Infantry
75860 Technical personnel
334432 Pilots

Impenetrable Shield projector protected by a legion of elite Stormtroopers

Enterprise NCC-1701-D

Size:
642M Wide
467M Long
137M High

Armament:
12 Typ-X phaser banks (5.1 MW)
3 Photon torpedo launchers (275 ammo capacity)

Crew:
1012 Standard
5000 Maximum

Crappy shield generator that would go down within 10 minutes during a full-on assault.
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Let's say the Enterprise miraculously manages to survive long enough to take out the shield projector, well now it's the #1 target of the entire battlegroup. You think with the Deathstar fully operational the Enterprise would even be able to get within range to beam anything inside the core? The Superlaser would already have been brought to bear on it at this point.

I'll let the facts speak for themselves as to who would be utterly destroyed in this fight.

Teknowaffle: The ships in the Star Trek universe are severely undergunned. It seems like direct phaser hits barely scratch the hulls of enemy ships. And their size is tiny it seems.

Cardassian ships are freaking huge compared to most of the ships in the Federation.

Also, I could never understand why the Defiant was so damn small.

The Defiant was a warship, not an standard Federation-ship. It's intentionally small, there's no reason for it to be bigger.

The thing is, the Death Star is so large that even without it having shields the Enterprise would lack the offensive firepower necessary to destroy it. It could take the entire arsenal of torpedoes and all the directed energy in the phaser banks and still remain functional.

RexTalionis: netweavr: The thing is, the Death Star is so large that even without it having shields the Enterprise would lack the offensive firepower necessary to destroy it. It could take the entire arsenal of torpedoes and all the directed energy in the phaser banks and still remain functional.

Unless if the Enterprise sends a shuttle craft, or maybe a Peregrine-class ship and shoot a torpedo into the exhaust pipe.

Right, like the exhaust-port would just be sitting on the surface undefended save for a thing layer of grating. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

SilentStrider: netweavr: The thing is, the Death Star is so large that even without it having shields the Enterprise would lack the offensive firepower necessary to destroy it. It could take the entire arsenal of torpedoes and all the directed energy in the phaser banks and still remain functional.

you're severely underestimating the power of photon torpedoes

Unless they're capable of destroying a small metallic moon, I doubt it. They'd dent the surface but that's about it.

Shostie: SilentStrider: netweavr: The thing is, the Death Star is so large that even without it having shields the Enterprise would lack the offensive firepower necessary to destroy it. It could take the entire arsenal of torpedoes and all the directed energy in the phaser banks and still remain functional.

you're severely underestimating the power of photon torpedoes

And if they got their hands on some of that "red matter" stuff, game over.

I take back my comment about the "shoot them up the port hole" statement. "Red matter" stuff is the stupidest thing I've ever heard of.

It really broke my immersion when they claimed the Death Star could be destroyed because no one thought to include a gas-trap in the plumbing.

You forgot about the navigational deflector array, which could be quickly programmed to fire a tachyon beam to drain shields, a feedback pulse to channel laser energy back at the opponent, or a host of other things to turn the deathstar into a vulnerable puppy in very short order. Also, if we're talking about post-Nemesis era ST, then it's likely that the Enterprise is carrying a complement of transphasic torpedoes. If those torpedoes can one-shot a Borg tactical cube, then they'll make quick work of Mr. Palpatine and his goons.

While the Enterprise is busy firing it's Tachyon beam, you've got thousands of TIE fighters, bombers and interceptors punishing the hell out of it, not just with laser fire either, each bomber could carry either sixteen concussion missiles, twelve proton torpedoes, eight proton rockets, six space mines, four proton bombs or sixty-four thermal detonators. The various Capital ships (including Vader's Executor) would also be unleashing a torrent of weaponry on the puny Enterprise. Transphasic torpedoes? The Borg Cubes were only 3KM in diameter, who knows if they could have even traversed the 450km out of normal space to reach the core? And without that weapon being effective they would HAVE to take the shields down, and I just don't see their puny little Tachyon beam weakening a shield so powerful it could not even be internally projected, and even if it did it would take longer than it would for the vast amount of firepower present to reduce the Enterprise into dust.

RexTalionis: netweavr: RexTalionis: netweavr: The thing is, the Death Star is so large that even without it having shields the Enterprise would lack the offensive firepower necessary to destroy it. It could take the entire arsenal of torpedoes and all the directed energy in the phaser banks and still remain functional.

Unless if the Enterprise sends a shuttle craft, or maybe a Peregrine-class ship and shoot a torpedo into the exhaust pipe.

Right, like the exhaust-port would just be sitting on the surface undefended save for a thing layer of grating. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

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It doesn't have a grating.

It also doesn't have fans pushing whatever is being vented out.

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And no one has mentioned that the Death Star could just ram the Enterprise like a windshield splattering a bug.

Shostie: So elite they were soundly defeated by half a dozen rebels and a few dozen teddy bears?

RexTalionis: You mean the elite Stormtroopers who were killed by a bunch of Ewoks?

As I said, most feared race in all the Galaxy.

RexTalionis: Great, so we agreed that the Death Star might look strong, but it has a ridiculously unprotected weakness that can let it be destroyed by a Federation Shuttle Craft.

Try that again with Death Star II.

RexTalionis: netweavr: RexTalionis: netweavr: RexTalionis: netweavr: The thing is, the Death Star is so large that even without it having shields the Enterprise would lack the offensive firepower necessary to destroy it. It could take the entire arsenal of torpedoes and all the directed energy in the phaser banks and still remain functional.

Unless if the Enterprise sends a shuttle craft, or maybe a Peregrine-class ship and shoot a torpedo into the exhaust pipe.

Right, like the exhaust-port would just be sitting on the surface undefended save for a thing layer of grating. That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

Good news!
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It doesn't have a grating.

It also doesn't have fans pushing whatever is being vented out.

ಠ_ಠ

Great, so we agreed that the Death Star might look strong, but it has a ridiculously unprotected weakness that can let it be destroyed by a Federation Shuttle Craft.

I'm saying that if you want to have a "realistic" discussion, then we have to through out crap that is obviously just plot-armor.

Otherwise you could argue the Enterprise could sling-shot around a star and start time-traveling. Or that the Death Star could just have a bunch of Dark Jedis link up to smash the Enterprise with the Force. Or that the Enterprise could use transporters to just beam a goddamned torpedo into the shield generator then the reactor-core of the Death Star. Or that the Star Trek people could use a Dominion-trap to take out the Empire's entire fleet. Or that the Death Star could just warp around and one-shot all the Federation planets faster than the Federation could keep up. Or that....