"(The movie) bothered W.R. in a large way," his great-grandson Steve Hearst, a Hearst Corp. vice president, told The Tribune on Friday. "He realized people would be making a judgment about him based on the film."

William Randolph Hearst started a war with Spain, murdered his love rival on his yacht, criminalized marijuana, led the charge to have Japanese-Americans thrown into internment camps so his buddies could steal their farms, crucified beloved comedian Roscoe 'Fatty' Arbuckle, and he was worried about a freakin' movie?

/LMAO

Irony tag on vacation today?

I know how to save them all 2 boobless hours

Rosebud is the name of a sled in Citizen Kane that looked like Marion Davies' clitoris.

No need to watch movie.

Marcus Aurelius: William Randolph Hearst was a complete shiatheel of a human being that did irreparable harm to this country. If we burned down or rescinded everything he touched, the world would be a better place.

So very much this.

Hearst Corp still has in hands in quite a bit.
Some highlights being:
Car and Driver
Cosmopolitan
ELLE
Esquire
Good Housekeeping
O, The Oprah Magazine
Popular Mechanics
Redbook
Seventeen
Woman's Day
seattlepi.com
San Francisco Chronicle
A&E Television Networks (owns 42.5%)
ESPN (owns 20%)
1UP.com
UGO

Darth_Lukecash: From what I understand, Hearst was actually gunning for Charlie Chaplin, who was having an affair with Davies-but shot the wrong guy.

But keep in mind one thing- Hearst was not the only one who did those horrible things. MAny people in power wanted those things as well

Thomas Ince probably got in-between Hearst and Chaplin, probably to break up a fight between the two men, and that's how he got his brains blown out. But in those days, committing murder was ridiculously easy if you were rich and connected (even moreso than today). I had a granduncle who was a LAPD detective (Think a Scottish Jayne Cobb) who never turned down a bribe.

Yeah, Hearst wasn't he only the only bad guy on stage, but he won the Oscar for Best Villain.

TheNyquilKid: Marcus Aurelius: William Randolph Hearst was a complete shiatheel of a human being that did irreparable harm to this country. If we burned down or rescinded everything he touched, the world would be a better place.

So very much this.

Hearst Corp still has in hands in quite a bit.
Some highlights being:
Car and Driver
Cosmopolitan
ELLE
Esquire
Good Housekeeping
O, The Oprah Magazine
Popular Mechanics
Redbook
Seventeen
Woman's Day
seattlepi.com
San Francisco Chronicle
A&E Television Networks (owns 42.5%)
ESPN (owns 20%)
1UP.com
UGO

Aw, but I like the Chronicle.

Mrtraveler01: Aw, but I like the Chronicle.

*checks profile*

Yup, not in the Bay Area. Nobody here likes that shiat.

Peaceboy: HBO made a movie (RKO 281 - imdb page) about the making of Citizen Kane and Hearst's attempt to thwart it. Pretty entertaining film, if this subject is of interest to anyone.

And for what it may be worth, RKO 281 is included as an extra on the current "ultimate collector's edition" BluRay and DVD.

And I'm with Mikey1969, except I think I could probably scrape up the money to go. I can't tell if there's a way to just see the movie at Hearst Castle, though, and if there is, how much it would cost. (I don't care at all about the pre-movie reception.)

/$360 round trip on Southwest Austin-LA
//get a cheap hotel room on Priceline for four days - roughly another $400
///and a rental car to go from LA - San Luis Obispo
////I've almost managed to talk myself into it

Mrtraveler01: TheNyquilKid: Marcus Aurelius: William Randolph Hearst was a complete shiatheel of a human being that did irreparable harm to this country. If we burned down or rescinded everything he touched, the world would be a better place.

So very much this.

Hearst Corp still has in hands in quite a bit.
Some highlights being:
Car and Driver
Cosmopolitan
ELLE
Esquire
Good Housekeeping
O, The Oprah Magazine
Popular Mechanics
Redbook
Seventeen
Woman's Day
seattlepi.com
San Francisco Chronicle
A&E Television Networks (owns 42.5%)
ESPN (owns 20%)
1UP.com
UGO

Aw, but I like the Chronicle.

And the chick was hot, too.

Film star Harrison Ford is to present an award before the showing.

So, he'll show up drunk, mumble incoherently, and then disappear as soon as the award leaves his hands?

Marion Davies was a horrible actress but rocked the rich,fat man's world. I think Hearst equals Murdoch/News Corp, but they had some sweet ass parties at San Simeon and Ocean House in Santa Monica. Many people never knew that by the late 1930's, Hearst was going broke and Davies bailed him out by writing out a check for $1 million.

Why is Citizen Kane overrated?

Because of piling on Hearst once people could get away with it. Simple as that.

Also, it's a pretty good movie.

Shame that Welles died pretty much the way Kane did... and Hearst died happily and loved.

My first thought on seeing the headline: Hearst castle needs money.

Peaceboy: HBO made a movie (RKO 281 - imdb page) about the making of Citizen Kane and Hearst's attempt to thwart it. Pretty entertaining film, if this subject is of interest to anyone. TFA says Hearst never saw the completed film - in the HBO movie, it shows him (James Cromwell) and Marion Davies (Melanie Griffith) watching it alone in the castle. Davies is weeping, distraught that it hit too close to home. So, maybe a few liberties were taken. Welles' comments in TFA are pretty interesting and quite kind to Davies. (Liev Schreiber plays Welles in the film.)

I watched it this weeked. It was really good.

I look forward to hear some film crimitism in the next day's paper

Hearst did such a good job demonizing the movie it bombed at the box office and every time it was mentioned at the Oscars it was booed.

Little Nell dies at the end
Mundt really is a traitor.

Everybody knows Rosebud is the goddamn sled. But if you don't watch Kane because of that, you're really missing out. The "working too hard" montage, the run for office, the applause, the opera review, all are very entertaining scenes written with care and performed with nuance.

...sigh, fine, I'll say it, just as good as (if not better) than many of the fine fine television series currently available to watch.

I saw Citizen Kane in a restored classic theater, the kind with a balcony and everything, and thought it was very entertaining. Usually I don't give a shiat for movies from that era or before, there is something about the pacing, or acting, or the camera work, it usually just seems plain and boring to me. But Citizen Kane felt like a modern movie. I don't know much about film, but I could see how Citizen Kane was ahead of its time, probably influencing a lot of cinema that came after.

It also helped that the theater had a bar. Just an all around enjoyable experience, that I'm glad I went to despite my hesitations about watching such an old movie.

I'm not of the mind that Kane is the best film of all time, but it's certainly the forefather of all modern cinematography.

Hearst was larger than life, and the movie does a good job at communicating that feeling. He was also a despicably manipulative power-monger that destroyed countless lives in the name of profit (and continues to do so today via the modern prohibition of cannabis).

He's some of the best evidence that a single man can have a huge impact on the course of history.

Remember the Maine!

3825968: Everybody knows Rosebud is the goddamn sled. But if you don't watch Kane because of that, you're really missing out. The "working too hard" montage, the run for office, the applause, the opera review, all are very entertaining scenes written with care and performed with nuance.

...sigh, fine, I'll say it, just as good as (if not better) than many of the fine fine television series currently available to watch.

Amen, brother.

I'm amazed that it will play there. Just goes to show that anything can happen in this world.

And Citizen Kane really is a great movie. I don't think it is overrated. It's actually a bit underrated now when you think of the number of younger people who consider themselves movie geeks and haven't ever seen it.

Almost ever other movie of the period is very dated in technique, but Citizen Kane is one of the few movies from that time that you can see similar types of stuff in brand new movies. Odd angles, swooping cameras, elaborate makeup, and a lot of tricky special effects. I saw a long examination of the way they moved the camera through the table when Kane's parents are signing him away. The movements of the camera and the set were incredibly complex in that scene, but for the modern filmgoer who has seen so much Stedicam in their lives, it's hard to really comprehend how difficult it was to achieve that type of effect back then, and make it seem so seamless and nearly invisible.

Citizen Kane was remarkably ahead of its time. It's a very personal, intimate story and it's also a life spanning epic. And it's jam packed with amazing images:

White Stripes - The Union Forever (new window)

As for the "spoiler", I think everyone alive now knows that Rosebud was his sled, and most movie trivia fans know it was a reference to Ms. Davies' anatomy. But I don' t think it's so easy to explain why Kane said it as he was dying, and what it really represented to him. People can debate it, but there's no real clearly agreed upon answer.

I know the age of the film puts a lot of people off of it, but I think they're doing themselves a disservice by not watching it at least once (if only to see the Kane clapping gif in context.)

William Randolph, I'm very happy for you and imma let you finish, but Othello is the best Orson Wells film of all time.

BalugaJoe: Peaceboy: HBO made a movie (RKO 281 - imdb page) about the making of Citizen Kane and Hearst's attempt to thwart it. Pretty entertaining film, if this subject is of interest to anyone. TFA says Hearst never saw the completed film - in the HBO movie, it shows him (James Cromwell) and Marion Davies (Melanie Griffith) watching it alone in the castle. Davies is weeping, distraught that it hit too close to home. So, maybe a few liberties were taken. Welles' comments in TFA are pretty interesting and quite kind to Davies. (Liev Schreiber plays Welles in the film.)

I watched it this weeked. It was really good.

IIRC I think they even say in the movie that "Rosebud" was Hearst's nickname for Davies' hoo hah. Welles threw the sled thing in there as an eff ewe to Hearst.

Marcus Aurelius: William Randolph Hearst was a complete shiatheel of a human being that did irreparable harm to this country. If we burned down or rescinded everything he touched, the world would be a better place.

I disagree; his library, his collection of art and architecture, and Julia Morgan's excellent work on San Simeon shouldn't be punished for the evil that Hearst committed.

Coelacanth: (Think a Scottish Jayne Cobb)

Auch - the man they call Jayne!

tillerman35: William Randolph, I'm very happy for you and imma let you finish, but Othello is the best Orson Wells film of all time.

What about Welles' "The Trial"?

Porous Horace: tillerman

Also good. You have good taste, Sir. I've always had a slight aversion to Anthony Perkins, though. He's one of a half dozen or so GOOD actors who I just don't like (Stanley Tucci is in that group. Great actor, but he drives me nuts to watch). So maybe that affects my opinion of the film.

There's just something about how Othello is filmed. The use of light, contrast, shape. Each frame is like a piece of art that would be at home hanging on the wall of a museum. I've seen Othello a half dozen times, once in an art theater which was a real treat. It's the only black-and-white movie that I can't think about without "mentally colorizing." When I recall the scenes, even the starkly black and white opening funerary procession, I see the colors that I think would be appropriate to the time and place. Today's lens-flare, shaky cam, and CGI laden crap can't hold a candle to Wells' work.

tillerman35: Porous Horace: tillerman

Also good. You have good taste, Sir. I've always had a slight aversion to Anthony Perkins, though. He's one of a half dozen or so GOOD actors who I just don't like (Stanley Tucci is in that group. Great actor, but he drives me nuts to watch). So maybe that affects my opinion of the film.

There's just something about how Othello is filmed. The use of light, contrast, shape. Each frame is like a piece of art that would be at home hanging on the wall of a museum. I've seen Othello a half dozen times, once in an art theater which was a real treat. It's the only black-and-white movie that I can't think about without "mentally colorizing." When I recall the scenes, even the starkly black and white opening funerary procession, I see the colors that I think would be appropriate to the time and place. Today's lens-flare, shaky cam, and CGI laden crap can't hold a candle to Wells' work.

I'll have to check it out.
Too bad Welles only made a small number of movies.
Ebert's review of The Trial is very good, he says that Welles made such a great movie (Kane) that he was punished for it by never getting much chance to make many movies afterwards.
Perkins is great in The Trial, his nervousness and personality really fit the role well.
Also, like other Welles movies, scenes, lighting, camerawork etc. are more than a treat.

I recommend "Visions of Light" for those who like the study of cinema, in this case, cinematography.

I'd love to smoke a bowl there.

Upon my honor, I saw a Madonna
Standing in a niche,
Above the door
Of the public whore
Of a prominent son of a biatch.

/Shouldn't be obscure for Fark.