last tuesday some Bama fan called to the Jim Rome Show and was trying to argue that Bama had in fact beaten LSU not once but twice (referrign to the initial 9-6 or whatever the final score was game).

He was arguing they had more yards, better turnover differential, had missed a field goal, (i'm not exactly sure what he said but it was this kind of 'woulda shoulda coulda' crap) and rome cut him off. "Yeah.....you outgained LSU and outperformed them.....everywhere except the scoreboard, so, don't tell me how you won that game because all I saw was the scoreboard....."

were terrible?

"Miles going up to Lee and telling him to go in the game with 3 minutes left, only to get a "Go F^&% yourself.""

Citation needed. Video evidence, preferably.

Because that would be awesome.

I don't give a crap about either team, but this just smells like excuses to me.

Loser talk. You lost. Don't make it worse.

Zygar: were terrible?

Maybe subby is English? They say it like that over there.

Either way, I think it's kind of amusing that Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC but somehow people consider them some sort of national champion.

Was the reason that they didn't score as many points as the other team?

miss diminutive: Was the reason that they didn't score as many points as the other team?


they didn't score period.

rickythepenguin: miss diminutive: Was the reason that they didn't score as many points as the other team?

they didn't score period.

Well, that explains it. Had the coach scribbled "SCORE POINTS" on the drawing board beforehand they might have stood a chance.

miss diminutive: Well, that explains it. Had the coach scribbled "SCORE POINTS" on the drawing board beforehand they might have stood a chance.

lol nice gameplan. "ok. everybody. gather round, take a knee. shaddup! ok. guys. we have to score points to win. mmmkay?"

maybe he was too busy eating grass during the game (new window)

If this is true, Miles should be fired. He already has a rep for overturning his coordinators during games and playing smash-mouth football at the expense of everything else.

rickythepenguin: maybe he was too busy eating grass during the game (new window)

That's something I used to do when I was four years old on the soccer field. Clearly I should have become a college football coach.

LSU gives up the title (new window)

LesserEvil: It should be an interesting game...Michigan continued to improve through the season, except for those two horrible losses. It will definitely be a better game than the Championship game was.

I have no doubt Michigan's program is now pointed in the right direction, but I wasn't impressed in the slightest by their performance against Va Tech. They looked solid defensively, but the Hokies aren't an offensive juggernaut to begin with, and I'm pretty sure I counted more than 10 occurrences in that game when Denard Robinson threw right into double-coverage.

Wow, I can go read Tigerdroppings, too...

That "article" reads like it was written by a 17-year-old eighth-grader.

/What's long and hard on an LSU Tiger?
//The third grade

Jackdragna: If this is true, Miles should be fired. He already has a rep for overturning his coordinators during games and playing smash-mouth football at the expense of everything else being a complete and utter asshole who is a world class recruiter but can't coach a cat to crap in a box.

FTFY

Killer Cars: LesserEvil: It should be an interesting game...Michigan continued to improve through the season, except for those two horrible losses. It will definitely be a better game than the Championship game was.

I have no doubt Michigan's program is now pointed in the right direction, but I wasn't impressed in the slightest by their performance against Va Tech. They looked solid defensively, but the Hokies aren't an offensive juggernaut to begin with, and I'm pretty sure I counted more than 10 occurrences in that game when Denard Robinson threw right into double-coverage.

No run game. Which happens when your center only has one good leg. So we were forced to past and the VT defense knew this and were waiting.

Michigan has shiat depth on the lines (fark you RR). I actually expect us to regress slightly this year due to the lack of offensive tackles and defensive tackles. Hoke is doing a great job recruiting lineman, but it takes them to grow them.

/also we have no outside WRs
//just a bunch of slot guys
/fark RR

Um, there are no citations, and only "So what does the rumor mill say to us?", followed by "All this info, true or not, may explain or suggest..."

In other words, let's just make some shiat up and see what kind of attention we can get.

Maybe we dodged a bullet by not hiring Les.

The article made the pre-game and game-time drama sound like an episode of....

I love that the people who shout "why, oh why didn't Lee come in?" conveniently ignore the fact that Lee wouldn't have had time to throw, either. The Tide DL was in the backfield by the third step back.

This is what the NCAA gets for only allowing SEC teams to play for the national title. Fark your BCS Championship Game. We want a playoff and not one of those four teams only allowed tournaments because you know the NCAA would figure a way allow three SEC teams to whore themselves in.

MAYORBOB: This is what the NCAA gets for only allowing SEC teams to play for the national title. Fark your BCS Championship Game. We want a playoff and not one of those four teams only allowed tournaments because you know the NCAA would figure a way allow three SEC teams to whore themselves in.

Wait, so you don't think that the NFL should have just skipped the entire post-season and had the Packers play the Lions for the championship?

lajotu: "Miles going up to Lee and telling him to go in the game with 3 minutes left, only to get a "Go F^&% yourself.""

Citation needed. Video evidence, preferably.

Because that would be awesome.

This. I'm guessing there is no video, though, as ESPN would already be gushing all over it -- especially now that Tebow's out of the playoffs.

Coach_J: Jackdragna: If this is true, Miles should be fired. He already has a rep for overturning his coordinators during games and playing smash-mouth football at the expense of everything else being a complete and utter asshole who is a world class recruiter but can't coach a cat to crap in a box.

FTFY

You didn't really fix anything, just added to what I already mentioned. Believe me, I know about his dual nature as a coach - I once heard someone on ESPN who worked with Miles at Michigan say Miles was the best recruiter he's ever seen, but Miles gets too involved in the playcalling, especially the offense. I also live in Baton Rouge and know some people involved with the football team, and that's their opinion, too.

JohnAnnArbor: Maybe we dodged a bullet by not hiring Les.

The man's track record is pretty good - he wins a lot, even the bowl games. He's also split his games with Saban, the coach he's often measured against. Being an LSU fan under Miles is accepting you'll root for teams with fantastic players, a solid defense, an offense with as much variety as the playbook from Super Tecmo Bowl and a good deal of offensive penalties/poor clock management (though this, to be fair, was better this year.)

It's a shame they didn't have more time to prepare between their last game and the championship game .

/Stanford v. OK State was the true title game
//UCLA fan, no chicken in this fight

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/Stanford v. OK State was the true title game
//UCLA fan, no chicken in this fight

I tend to agree on that one.

/My Dog is a B1G dog, so irrelevant here. (he ate my chicken).

You have to admit, the LSU play calling in that game was a bit bizarre. Those options and passes into the flats were just getting blown up, and they just kept going to them. I get that Jefferson had like a 2 Mississippi at best before four Bama defenders were in his jock but still.

Players openly revolting and demanding Lee on the eve of the NC after a 12-0 season is a little suspect, but I bet Les and his OC probably did have a falling out on the play calling philosophy for this game.

Only the most obtuse of Alabama fans (and that's a pretty big subset) won't acknowledge that the LSU team that went 13-0 in the regular season, and beat the Orange Bowl, Rose Bowl, Cotton Bowl AND BCS Champs AT HOME wasn't the team that showed up last Monday.

The huge shift in the betting line (3.5 points 24 hours before) confirms that SOMETHING big happened, and the "smart money" knew.

Whether this is it, or just a conspiracy theory, we'll probably never know.

In the 1998 World Cup final, an obviously dominant Brazil team sleep walked (slept walked?) through the final. The world's best player, Ronaldo was an absolute zombie, and France pulled off a huge upset. There were rumors that he had a mental breakdown, or got coked out of his mind, or got food poisoning or death threats, and Nike FORCED Brazil to play him, as he was their cash cow.

That was a MUCH (MUUUUUUUUCHHHHH) bigger scale than the BCS title game, and it's almost 15 years later, and the details surrounding it are murky (at best.)

I seriously doubt we'll ever find out what happened to that LSU team.

Lt. Col. Angus: The huge shift in the betting line (3.5 points 24 hours before) confirms that SOMETHING big happened, and the "smart money" knew.

You've been beating this dead horse forever, and nobody's buying it.

Makes me wonder if the LSU OL was letting Bama through hoping they'd knock Jefferson out of the game so Lee would get in.

Doubtful, but not totally unbelievable.

meanmutton: MAYORBOB: This is what the NCAA gets for only allowing SEC teams to play for the national title. Fark your BCS Championship Game. We want a playoff and not one of those four teams only allowed tournaments because you know the NCAA would figure a way allow three SEC teams to whore themselves in.

Wait, so you don't think that the NFL should have just skipped the entire post-season and had the Packers play the Lions for the championship?

Well, based on the arguments you get from Fark's resident BCS apologists, yes.

Let's look at some of the incredible "#1 vs. #2" match-ups the BCS has given us in recent years:
- 2001: #1 Miami 37, #4 Nebraska 14
- 2003: #1 LSU 21, #3 Oklahoma 14 (while USC won the AP crown)
- 2004: USC 55, Oklahoma 19
- 2006: Florida 41, Ohio State 14
- 2007: LSU 38, Ohio State 24
- 2009: Alabama 37, Texas 21
- 2011: Alabama 21, LSU 0

Not to mention all the other blowouts you regularly see in the other BCS bowls.

The BCS: where every game counts...unless you're 2001 Nebraska, 2003 Oklahoma, 2004 Utah, 2007 Boise State, 2008 Utah, 2008 Texas, 2008 Oklahoma, 2008 Texas Tech, 2009 Cincinnati, 2009 Boise State, 2009 TCU, 2010 TCU, 2011 LSU, 2011 Alabama...or you happened to be ranked outside of the preseason top 20 before a given season. Nothing like a sport where over 80% of teams are eliminated from the championship before even playing a down!

But hey, at least you've got plenty of 6-6 vs. 6-6 action in "bowl games" instead of a playoff. Not only that, these bowl games are outsourced to sleazy bowl organizations run by people who make hundreds of thousands of dollars off the sport for nothing more than putting on glorified exhibition games (because it's not like schools are capable of staging 3-5 non-conference games in the regular season every year or anything), 34 out of 35 which have nothing to do with determining a champion and everything to do with enriching bowl directors and making sure the good old boys keep the $$$ rolling in. Because if you weren't good 40 years ago, you shouldn't be playing for the championship in 2011 no matter what you do on the field.

Bschott007: The article made the pre-game and game-time drama sound like an episode of....
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Damn you beat me to it. All I could picture was Marty Daniels.

oh_please: You've been beating this dead horse forever, and nobody's buying it.

I'd be more interested in it with some more corroborating evidence. I don't gamble on football, so while I get that a 3.5 point shift in the line is pretty big what I don't know is how big. Once in 5 games? Once in 50? It makes a big difference.

The LSU offense was just terrible, though.

Not everything happens for a reason

velvet_fog:

...

Not to mention all the other blowouts you regularly see in the other BCS bowls.

The BCS: where every game counts...unless you're 2001 Nebraska, 2003 Oklahoma, 2004 Utah, 2007 Boise State, 2008 Utah, 2008 Texas, 2008 Oklahoma, 2008 Texas Tech, 2009 Cincinnati, 2009 Boise State, 2009 TCU, 2010 TCU, 2011 LSU, 2011 Alabama...or you happened to be ranked outside of the preseason top 20 before a given season. Nothing like a sport where over 80% of teams are eliminated from the championship before even playing a down!

But hey, at least you've got plenty of 6-6 vs. 6-6 action in "bowl games" instead of a playoff. Not only that, these bowl games are outsourced to sleazy bowl organizations run by people who make hundreds of thousands of dollars off the sport for nothing more than putting on glorified exhibition games (because it's not like schools are capable of staging 3-5 non-conference games in the regular season every year or anything), 34 out of 35 which have nothing to do with determining a champion and everything to do with enriching bowl directors and making sure the good old boys keep the $$$ rolling in ...

Honestly, the thing that annoys me is that there's a poll. Why not just settle it on the field? Have the teams play their regular season and then take the conference champs and have them play a tournament. Everything is settled on the field, nothing is left to the whims of voters or an unaccountable, secret process in a computer. You win your conference, you go to the tournament. You win the tournament, you're the national champion. Simple, easy, and it's all settled on the field.

meanmutton: Zygar: were terrible?

Maybe subby is English? They say it like that over there.

Either way, I think it's kind of amusing that Alabama finished 3rd in the SEC but somehow people consider them some sort of national champion.

So you wouldn't consider the Packers the real NFL champions last year? Because they finished 2nd in their own division and 5th in the conference.

/Or are you just retarded?

velvet_fog: meanmutton: MAYORBOB: This is what the NCAA gets for only allowing SEC teams to play for the national title. Fark your BCS Championship Game. We want a playoff and not one of those four teams only allowed tournaments because you know the NCAA would figure a way allow three SEC teams to whore themselves in.

Wait, so you don't think that the NFL should have just skipped the entire post-season and had the Packers play the Lions for the championship?

Well, based on the arguments you get from Fark's resident BCS apologists, yes.

Let's look at some of the incredible "#1 vs. #2" match-ups the BCS has given us in recent years:
- 2001: #1 Miami 37, #4 Nebraska 14
- 2003: #1 LSU 21, #3 Oklahoma 14 (while USC won the AP crown)
- 2004: USC 55, Oklahoma 19
- 2006: Florida 41, Ohio State 14
- 2007: LSU 38, Ohio State 24
- 2009: Alabama 37, Texas 21
- 2011: Alabama 21, LSU 0

Not to mention all the other blowouts you regularly see in the other BCS bowls.

The BCS: where every game counts...unless you're 2001 Nebraska, 2003 Oklahoma, 2004 Utah, 2007 Boise State, 2008 Utah, 2008 Texas, 2008 Oklahoma, 2008 Texas Tech, 2009 Cincinnati, 2009 Boise State, 2009 TCU, 2010 TCU, 2011 LSU, 2011 Alabama...or you happened to be ranked outside of the preseason top 20 before a given season. Nothing like a sport where over 80% of teams are eliminated from the championship before even playing a down!

But hey, at least you've got plenty of 6-6 vs. 6-6 action in "bowl games" instead of a playoff. Not only that, these bowl games are outsourced to sleazy bowl organizations run by people who make hundreds of thousands of dollars off the sport for nothing more than putting on glorified exhibition games (because it's not like schools are capable of staging 3-5 non-conference games in the regular season every year or anything), 34 out of 35 which have nothing to do with determining a champion and everything to do with enriching bowl directors and making sure the good old boys keep the $$$ rolling in ...

You just summed up why I don't care about college football. There's no satisfying payoff at the end of the season. Just a couple of teams thrown into a sham of a game for a "championship" and then a bunch of others playing in games that are basically the 3rd, 4th, or 5th place game for a round robin tournament that never took place.

merkey88: Bschott007: The article made the pre-game and game-time drama sound like an episode of....
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Damn you beat me to it. All I could picture was Marty Daniels.

I had to favorite you after reading that comment because when I was reading the article I was picturing Miles as Daniels and Lee as Alex.

Totally could be a BMS episode.

Carousel Beast: So you wouldn't consider the Packers the real NFL champions last year? Because they finished 2nd in their own division and 5th in the conference.

/Or are you just retarded?

Well they actually had to play a number of other contending teams as opposed to having a grand total of one solid team you played all year, twice, and had a 1-1 record against.