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(Indymedia)   Department of Defense admits to bombing Red Cross on purpose   (indymedia.org) divider line 121
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2001-11-08 12:05:16 PM  
Yeah, Id believe this guy.. great sources that he cites.
 
2001-11-08 12:05:59 PM  
if it was necessary than im glad it happened. Taliban cannot hide from us by using civilain buildings for cover.
 
Eli
2001-11-08 12:11:25 PM  
I thought cutting off food sources was basic military tactics? We shouldn't even be dropping food packets at all.
 
43%
2001-11-08 12:12:35 PM  
1) its a war.
2) bomb the shiat out of it.
3) "I was watching cable and i found out the government is lying to us about what exactly it is doing in the war."
 
2001-11-08 12:14:58 PM  
I'm confused. The author of the article gives a quote from a story on MSNBC.com, provides a link, I click on the link and go to the story, and it's not there. Has the story changed, did he get the link wrong, or what?

Also, he says "The Department of Defense admits to"...but even the quote he gives has an anonymous source saying it, "a senior U.S. Military Official". Sounds like, at most, "a leak says"
 
2001-11-08 12:17:19 PM  
Ah, another intreped reporter earns his pay. Maybe next time, he can file the report from inside the Red Cross building.
 
2001-11-08 12:18:35 PM  
What is the meaning of democracy when we make our choices based on false or no information?

BAH. What's the point of trying to fight a war if we're going to broadcast every move we make and be subject to the will of the media? Personally, I'd rather see humanitarian forces than military ones, but the choice has been made, so I'll support it. Why can't the media support it?

I'm guessing that not too many people questioned the decision to incinerate Dresden, huh? Sheesh.
 
nez
2001-11-08 12:20:25 PM  
Why a cool tag? Should be scary.
 
2001-11-08 12:20:55 PM  
Why would the Taliban need to get food from the aid station when all they have to do is go out and pick it up? We drop it on them.
 
2001-11-08 12:21:41 PM  
And if the next head of the Red Cross misdirects donations, there's really going to be hell to pay!
 
2001-11-08 12:22:05 PM  
The Chomsky quote really fills me with confidence about this guy's bias-free reporting.
 
2001-11-08 12:29:52 PM  
Woah, this is so old. I heard this on CNN at least a week ago.
 
2001-11-08 12:31:39 PM  
The point, despite the dramatized packaging, was that earlier we had been specifically lied to.

I think the American public with all it's 'support' would have reacted then just as the majority here is reacting now.

So, what's the point of lying about it then is the question, and what else are we being lied to about now, another.

Not that either makes the slightest difference in how the war is run.

[i]What is the meaning of democracy when we make our choices based on false
or no information? [/i]

gag! "Rumsfield called me just the other day to ask what I thought he should do" hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

j*
 
2001-11-08 12:33:38 PM  
43%, you forgot the "andtheIwentwheeee!" at the end of that...

3Horn
 
2001-11-08 12:33:40 PM  
ummm, obvious?
 
2001-11-08 12:35:17 PM  
GadgetDon - The MSNBC story has been re-written - however, in this .mil (above suspicion, I would say) site, an US navy admiral claims the Red Cross warehouse was on a list of targets.

http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10172001_200110172.html

Who the fark they think they are fooling? How is hiding this helping win the war? By preventing domestic / allied protests?
 
fb-
2001-11-08 12:35:39 PM  
Indymedia. I can't imagine a bigger lefist propaganda news source than that.
 
2001-11-08 12:35:45 PM  
After the crap the Red Cross has been pulling here, I say bomb them again and again.
 
2001-11-08 12:35:51 PM  
"CNN's Walter Rodgers said the Taliban, the target of the U.S.-led military campaign, have previously parked military vehicles near the compound, using it as a shield. "

That was from the story that was shown as a source for his claims. indymedia.org is a left wing nut site. None of its' sources supported its' claims. A site that quotes Noam Chomsky is pretty much a waste of time.
 
2001-11-08 12:36:19 PM  
*yawn*

bleeding heart garbage...

next please.
 
nez
2001-11-08 12:41:23 PM  
Here's what the SF Chronicle reported on Oct 27:

- U.S. warplanes have accidentally destroyed Red Cross warehouses in Kabul for the second time in 10 days, provoking new concerns about the accuracy of allied intelligence and weaponry.

CNN Oct 26:
- The Pentagon said U.S. fighter jets and B-52 bombers inadvertently dropped 2,000-pound bombs on the warehouses. A 500-pound cluster bomb also went astray, hitting a civilian area near the same facility.

The Pentagon said it regrets the errors and emphasized that its campaign is intentionally striking "only military and terrorist targets."

Don't discount a person's view because it's convenient for you to label them as a lefty or liberal or whatever. Maybe the delivery of info ain't great, but that doesn't mean they're lying to you.
 
2001-11-08 12:42:17 PM  
I read the site, clicked their CNN link, and nothing about it. However, if it did happen, it is far from cool. Nothing's cool about killing civilians.
 
2001-11-08 12:43:52 PM  
Nice doctored quote at the top of the article;

"The news is out there, but it is only available to a fanatic" (willing to spend all their time searching for and unearthing it.) -- Noam Chomsky

"Hmmm...this quote is nice, but it doesn't make us seem heroic enough in our struggle for the truth. Let's add a little bit more, but put in inside parentheses so people can't complain we doctored the quote."

I agree with Jeanette that we've all been lied to (maybe), but sloppy journalism with unsubstantiated sources doesn't help anybody in the end. If this guy wants to "break the news", he should get a little more reliable information before shooting his mouth off to the public.

Anyways, with that said, I'm done shooting my mouth off ;)
 
2001-11-08 12:49:53 PM  
Fb-
Once again you've hit the nail on the head. This is leftist propaganda crap. I hear Sean Hannity talk about these guys all the time.
 
2001-11-08 12:52:31 PM  
I love how Indymedia normally considers CNN, et al. as evil propagandists for the corporate fascist state - unless, of course, they say something that makes America seem at all bad, in which case it's the gospel truth.
 
2001-11-08 12:54:42 PM  
I agree, I totally support the independant media center, but they have an annoying tendancy to come off like zealots. Never trust a zealot.
 
2001-11-08 12:54:59 PM  
ZEALOTS MUST PAY! RAAAAAAARGHHHHH!
 
2001-11-08 12:56:19 PM  
I've know about this for a least a week and a half. Buried in the news my a$$. In a pentagon briefing a while back they admitted it
 
2001-11-08 12:59:51 PM  
how funny that so many of you trust the mass media & not this when it's the ceo's & anchors of the mass media that are members of the same unelected organizations as all of the world leaders. (trilateral commission, bilderberg group, committee on foreign relations). and i'll bet not many of you have had any broadcast education either. the news business is run FOR PROFIT. not to give you the truth.
leftist propoganda crap? you guys are morons.
i've spent the time to go thru the indymedia site & there is some AMAZING footage. especially of a peaceful zapatista takover of a military base. i can't believe that some of you dismiss peoples personal experiences in favor of the pop culture hallucinations. get a real education...
 
fb-
2001-11-08 01:06:06 PM  
Yeah, you are all brainwashed. Everybody knows that real news only comes from ultra leftist sites. Everything else is for corporate tools.

farking left makes me sicker every day.
 
2001-11-08 01:06:07 PM  
get a real education...

This from someone who is apparently only barely acquainted with the basic rules of grammar. If you're going to spout your condescending leftist conspiracy theories here, at least try to make it readable.
 
fb-
2001-11-08 01:07:33 PM  
Indynews is presents unbiased real news.

Yeah, and /. presents unbiased computing news too.

Bwhahahahahahaha!
 
fb-
2001-11-08 01:09:43 PM  
It's not like Indymedia has an ultra left anti-corporate, anti-us, anti-globalization agenda to push or anything.

Oh wait, they do.
 
fb-
2001-11-08 01:10:49 PM  
I trust Indymedia about as much as I trust Newsmax.
 
2001-11-08 01:11:35 PM  
fark 'em, i don't think they deserve a red cross
 
2001-11-08 01:12:18 PM  
From http://www.defenselink.mil/news/Oct2001/n10172001_200110172.html
He said, "one of our missionshiat a Red Cross warehouse that stored humanitarian goods. This building was within a set of targets we had identified as being used for military storage by the Taliban."

Magullo, sounds like he's saying that they had bad intelligence, not that they were bombing the Red Cross because they thought that was a good thing.
 
2001-11-08 01:28:57 PM  
This is supposed to be a war. We are so goddam politically correct now, that we have forgotten that war isn't pretty or fun. In this case it is necessary. If some innocent people die, too bad. I wish it didn't have to be that way, but i also wish that the planes were never hijacked too.
 
2001-11-08 01:34:42 PM  
Whether or not it's true, it's damn scary to see you bunch of assholes saying we should bomb the Red Cross. Maybe you should join up with Bin Laden, because that's how he thinks, you sick bastards. I can't even parody this.
 
2001-11-08 01:47:26 PM  

If the US were a fascist government they couldn't ask for a better behaved, more loyal citizenry than the majority of the posters in here.

Way to go folks, make your leaders proud.

 
Rei
2001-11-08 01:50:28 PM  
Well, given that the first warehouse we blew up destroyed 3,000 tons of food and we only got a third of it... and we blew up 4 warehouses here, and leveled them... we could assume about 10,000 tons of food per warehouse, so in this one set of strikes we destroyed 40,000 tons of food. The information, from what I had read earlier, was that spyplanes saw two jeeps outside the warehouses, and people in turbans carrying food into the jeeps. In america, the average family of four consumes about 6,000 pounds of food per year. Americans are amongst the highest calorie inakers in the world, lets assume people in afghanistan consume 2/3 as many calories. Then, lets do the math here, the food we destroyed was equivalent to 40,000 / (((6,000 / 2000) * 2/3) / 4) = 80,000 people's lives for one year.

Afghanistan has 6 million people in need of food aid - 3.5 million refugee, 2.5 million internal. (btw, we're dropping 30-70k rations per day for those 6 million people - what a PR scam...). Are we *THAT* delusional that we can justify to ourselves the death by starvation of 80,000 people in exchange for the destruction of a place that two people in jeeps were seen taking food from??? This is utter insanity.
 
nez
2001-11-08 01:50:45 PM  
"If some innocent people die, too bad."

Tell that to NYC and Kabul you bastard.
 
2001-11-08 01:51:48 PM  
alls i gosta say is i said this both last week and the week before...no accident here.. and when they start bombing mosques and claim it was accidently.. remember my words and remember this news article...
 
2001-11-08 01:53:09 PM  
BaconFarker is right. I heard this last week too.

I also heard that the food packets were only being dropped in the Northern Alliance areas, or at least that is where the frist few drops were made. Does anybody know for sure, if the food packets have been dropped in Kabul or Taliban areas?
 
nez
2001-11-08 01:54:36 PM  
Nice to see you around again Rei :)
 
2001-11-08 02:07:42 PM  
It those of you who chastize the government for hitting this have no concept of what a war is. Yes, it's a Red Cross building. But that food wasn't going to feed 80,000 innocent Afghanis, it would have fed that many trained fighting Taliban soldiers. They had taken over the building and confiscated the food for Taliban uses. It doesn't matter what the sign said outside the building after that, it was a Taliban food stronghold *gentlemen, aim your clusterbombs*
 
2001-11-08 02:20:16 PM  
Rei-
Yeah, I'm sure the Taliban was giving the food to starving people. They are the reason the people are starving in the first place, and I'm talking pre 9-11 actions by the Taliban.

Deny the Taliban food and weapons and the war will be over faster. Once the war is over we can get food to the people.

Remember the Taliban were the ones denying the Red Cross the ability to distribute the food in the first place. They could distribute it, but the Red Cross had to pay several "taxes" to the Taliban before they could travel on roads.

But I think all the people in the arab countries and countries of Europe who care about the civilians are correct. We should stop all bombing so that these countries can have full use of the sky to continue their own food drops into Afghanistan. Oh wait..., I guess they aren't dropping food. Uh, well, at least these other countries were the major suppliers of food to Afghanistan before 9-11 and the war is just getting in their way. Oh wait..., the US was actually the largest supplier of humanitarian ad to Afgahanistan before 9-11. Well, at least these other countries are actively critizing the US for killing civilians and trying to get the US to stop bombing the Taliban. That will surely mean the civilians will be able to get food now. Oh, wait, I guess if they couldn't get food to the civilians before 9-11 when the Taliban was in power, that won't work now. But I'm sure they really mean well.
 
2001-11-08 02:27:43 PM  

MacV:

By what you just said, you can't specifically deny food to just the Taliban, as they'll take it from whomever has it. The air drops are a joke, plain and simple. They're dropping so little food that they look worse by doing it at all.

As for those who complain about others having no conception of what war is, would you please enlighten us as to what it's like to have your leg blown off by a land mine. Really, I'd love to know.

 
2001-11-08 02:32:57 PM  
Why do people think it is cool that we intentionally destroyed a humanitarian relief station? Would you be clapping if someone started shooting at relief workers in New York? The Red Cross is a neutral body, it should be used as a target. If we start shelling their facilities, we may lose support from other nations.

Conservatives never cease to amaze me. If only I could be so ignorant and heartless as to care more about my country's pride than about the lives of human beings. I should think my life would be so much more cofortable if I too could manage to live with my head shoved up my ass, like a nice little right wing government puppet.
 
2001-11-08 02:33:18 PM  
It hurts.
 
2001-11-08 02:34:38 PM  
Advocating that we do the worse to civilians in afghanistan than what was done to us here.

Farking right makes me sicker every day.
 
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