Sea Org?

The captain goes down with the ship. Period. Every single person on that boat is his responsibility. The only thing that could have possibly saved his arse is if he were STILL on board right now helping look for people until every single person had been accounted for.

There is no excuse, ever, for a captain to leave a ship without accounting for EVERY single person on board, or being lawfully relieved.

Although almost never practiced in modern times, a captain still has the authority to execute someone for mutiny on the high seas. He is the last of the absolute monarchs, But with that great power comes great responsibility, the first of which is the safety and security of the passengers and crew. He has failed in this, not necessarily by wrecking the boat (it may have been a navigational or mechanical failure which actually caused the wreck) but by abandoning his post.

Were this a military boat, in many countries he would face execution.

Serves the company right. Cruise ship captains and senior officers should be either British, Dutch, or German!

Pointy Tail of Satan: Serves the company right. Cruise ship captains and senior officers should be either British, Dutch, or German!

FARK GERMANS ON CRUISE SHIPS!!!!

Pert: ox45tallboy: There is no excuse, ever, for a captain to leave a ship without accounting for EVERY single person on board, or being lawfully relieved.

Considering that nobody seems able to say exactly how many people were on board, that's a difficult test to meet.

He certainly shouldn't have been off mid-way through the evacuation.

/am being unlawfully relieved at the moment so really getting a kick etc.

I'm about to do some unlawful relieving myself, in the bushes outside.

So when can we expect a movie from James Cameron?

Father_Jack: ox45tallboy: Pointy Tail of Satan: Serves the company right. Cruise ship captains and senior officers should be either British, Dutch, or German!

FARK GERMANS ON CRUISE SHIPS!!!!

So youre telling us to have lots of hot and nasty teutonic love on vacation? i think i can get behind this statement. and a few nice german girls.

Hey, not that German girls aren't hot, but if you've ever been on a cruise ship with them, you'll know what I mean. They'll send one person out at 5:30 in the morning with a crapload of towels to scatter on all the best deck chairs, then they'll all get up at about 10 or so, go have breakfast, and if you've touched their towel, they are PISSED. Apparently "they" have been there since early this morning, and got up for a few minutes to get a drink, and they came back and you had stolen "their" chair.

They also will send one guy to "hold" the best seats an hour before a stage show, or grab the best table in the nightclub while everyone else is still at dinner. They have no concept of "first come, first served."

wildcardjack: Mr. Right: OTOH, being that close allowed a lot of the survivors to swim ashore. Imagine if he had been miles out to sea. The fact that he wouldn't have sunk is irrelevant. They wouldn't have been able to swim to shore. or something.

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Are you somehow thinking that the passengers were wanting to swim ashore from a perfectly fine ship?

Yes, if the ship was filled with damn Germans, many of the other passengers probably would want to swim to shore from an otherwise perfectly fine ship.

betelgeux: mr_fulano: Took a Carnival cruise over Christmas with an Italian captain. Will never cruise Carnival again, for various reasons. Had decided this before the grounding happened.

What did you experience on your cruise?

I'm guessing there were tons of Germans on board....

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Coulda been worse. He could have spilled oil instead of people. germans

I don't think any of the other passengers would have complained if all he had spilled were Germans.

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...Germans, you're on your own.

FTA: "The captain of the cruise ship ... may have caused the accident by taking the ship too close to the island's rocky shore"

Alas, without knowing the exact location of the ship and shore at time of impact, we'll never know.

Damn you, Hazelwood!

Satanic_Hamster: ox45tallboy: Although almost never practiced in modern times, a captain still has the authority to execute someone for mutiny on the high seas.

What GED in law degree gave you that information?

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17 ...Further, the convention establishes a duty to co-operate in the repression of piracy (Art. 100 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea). Piracy may be committed by → warships (→ State Ships) or government aircraft whose crew has mutinied (Art. 102 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea). The significance of this provision is that, in cases of mutiny, the ship or aircraft can no longer be regarded as engaging the responsibility of the State of the flag (→ Responsibility of States for Private Actors), and hence may be apprehended at will...

18 ...The application to piracy of the universality principle of criminal jurisdiction (→ Criminal Jurisdiction of States under International Law) is reflected in Art. 105 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, which provides that on the high seas, or in any place outside the jurisdiction of any State, every State may seize a pirate ship or aircraft, arrest the persons responsible and seize the property on board. The courts of the seizing State may decide on the penalties to be imposed-although declining in use, the laws of some States prescribe the death penalty...

It's important to note that admirality courts are prescribed by many countries when it is not possible to return to shore due to war or outbreak of plague. This amounts to a Court Martial, rather than a Captain's Mast, which is for civil violations.

I did say that it is normally not practiced in modern times (mutineers and pirates are thrown in the brig and tried on shore), but the law is still on the books.

What GED in law made you think differently?