One man's trolling is another man's opinion.

While many of Obama's supporters are a bit slow, I think we can all agree that anyone who votes for any of the current crop of Republican candidates would lose a battle of wits with a dead squirrel.

The only thing that makes the Democratic party look even remotely decent is that they tend to run against Republicans.

Newsweek ceased being an actual news magazine around 1970 and instead became a liberal opinion rag that mostly caters to people that think the Village Voice needs supplementing.

That only qualifies as a troll if you can prove it by referencing multiple criticisms of the President from the right.

All of the best ones I've read have been from the left.

FloydA: The only thing that makes the Democratic party look even remotely decent is that they tend to run against Republicans.

This.

LordZorch: Newsweek ceased being an actual news magazine around 1970 and instead became a liberal opinion rag that mostly caters to people that think the Village Voice needs supplementing.

Would you please update your generalizations? I get it, it's all liberals rags. But new ones have come out in the past 30 farking years. It is fine that you people want to shut yourself off to new thought and ideas, but you could at least be aware of the culture around you.

That gigantic, earth-shaking thud you just heard is Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh simultaneously having massive coronaries.

sparkeyjames: GAT_00: That only qualifies as a troll if you can prove it by referencing multiple criticisms of the President from the right.

All of the best ones I've read have been from the left.

What planet have you been living on the last 3 years?

Hes right. All the justifiable and rational criticism is coming from the left. The right goes for his kids school lunches.

Bathia_Mapes: That gigantic, earth-shaking thud you just heard is Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh simultaneously having massive coronaries.

If you orgasmed as hard as they just did, youd have a heart attack too.

The thing is, and I say this as a Republican... is that Obama's real failure is something no one can possibly take advantage of. Obama said he was gonna "change the system" (paraphrasing), and now it's just as broke as ever, mostly because extremism in politics is fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. As a politician running for President, how do you fight that? How can you possibly go out there and say "Obama couldn't change things...but I can!" ? You can't. You'd sound like some bad satire, a talking caricature from The Daily Show or The Colbert Report.

Obama failed, but his failure is the continued failure of the system, not just on him. And as long as there really isn't any unity among the GOP due to everyone being crazy or as honest as a used car salesman, nothing is gonna change on their end, and if nothing changes on one side, nothing has to change on the other side because they've got the President on their side.

It's the perfect circle of suck.

Well, most Obama critics are pretty dumb. Birthers, soshulizm, death panels, the newly-minted anti-war republicans, suddenly small government republicans, small government 'everywhere but your bedroom' republicans, etc.

There really isn't any trolling in that magazine cover.

FloydA: While many of Obama's supporters are a bit slow, I think we can all agree that anyone who votes for any of the current crop of Republican candidates would lose a battle of wits with a dead squirrel.

The only thing that makes the Democratic party look even remotely decent is that they tend to run against Republicans.

I'm not saying I completely agree but I would like to see the the dead squirrel's campaign platform first.

LordZorch: Newsweek ceased being an actual news magazine around 1970 and instead became a liberal opinion rag that mostly caters to people that think the Village Voice needs supplementing.

Four posts was way longer than I thought it would take.

I usually won't give that POS site a hit, but I'd have to say this time it was totally worth it.

LordZorch: Newsweek ceased being an actual news magazine around 1970 and instead became a liberal opinion rag that mostly caters to people that think the Village Voice needs supplementing.

Did it ever occur to you that the magazines that have the circulation to continue publishing might just be appealing to the broadest range of people? And by virtue of that, that means that they are, de facto, centrist?

You might want to re-evaluate how popular your worldview really is.

violentsalvation: Well, most Obama critics are pretty dumb.

One of the few good ones seems to be David Frum, and I'm not convinced that he's just pissed the Teabaggers took over the GOP, kicked him out for not being conservative enough, and he wants to get back at them. The reason for the criticism is sometimes as valid as the actual criticism.

But, for example, the only people I heard agreeing with my assessment that the President vastly exceeded his authority by killing an American in Yemen was from Slate.

unyon: LordZorch: Newsweek ceased being an actual news magazine around 1970 and instead became a liberal opinion rag that mostly caters to people that think the Village Voice needs supplementing.

Did it ever occur to you that the magazines that have the circulation to continue publishing might just be appealing to the broadest range of people? And by virtue of that, that means that they are, de facto, centrist?

You might want to re-evaluate how popular your worldview really is.

does that mean that the cable news channel with the most viewers is de facto the most centrist?

Bathia_Mapes: That gigantic, earth-shaking thud you just heard is Newt Gingrich and Rush Limbaugh simultaneously having massive coronaries.

I wish.

GAT_00: violentsalvation: Well, most Obama critics are pretty dumb.

One of the few good ones seems to be David Frum, and I'm not convinced that he's just pissed the Teabaggers took over the GOP, kicked him out for not being conservative enough, and he wants to get back at them. The reason for the criticism is sometimes as valid as the actual criticism.

But, for example, the only people I heard agreeing with my assessment that the President vastly exceeded his authority by killing an American in Yemen was from Slate.

Hanging around terrorist is not exactly a safe place to be...

sparkeyjames: GAT_00: That only qualifies as a troll if you can prove it by referencing multiple criticisms of the President from the right.

All of the best ones I've read have been from the left.

What planet have you been living on the last 3 years?

To be fair, "THE SHERIFF IS NEAR" doesn't really count as a critique of policy.

I don't see any trolling there. ESPN does kind of blow.

Am I the only one who thought they should have used a different picture?

Because liberals hate being on the losing side, once again?

DarthBrooks: [www.mindfully.org image 300x375]

Because liberals hate being on the losing side, once again?

Be fair; all of humanity was on the losing side of that one.

Right or Left, can we all at least agree that's quite the horrible photo of Obama they used for the cover?

ShawnDoc: Right or Left, can we all at least agree that's quite the horrible photo of Obama they used for the cover?

That photo makes him downright ugly. It also make him look tired, old and a everyday which is interesting journalistically if that is what they were going for.

GAT_00: violentsalvation: Well, most Obama critics are pretty dumb.

One of the few good ones seems to be David Frum, and I'm not convinced that he's just pissed the Teabaggers took over the GOP, kicked him out for not being conservative enough, and he wants to get back at them. The reason for the criticism is sometimes as valid as the actual criticism.

But, for example, the only people I heard agreeing with my assessment that the President vastly exceeded his authority by killing an American in Yemen was from Slate.

I like David Frum. Seeing the tea party in action drove a lot of us righties back to sanity and gave us all a reality check, 2012 is going to see a lot of fundies devastated and HOPEFULLY we can start putting all that shiat behind us.

As for al-Awlaki, I'm glad he is dead. I respect your opinion on the matter but I will not respect a Republican who has the same opinion as you. You are sticking to your beliefs, the latter is playing forgetful partisan politics.

DarthBrooks: Because liberals hate being on the losing side, once again?

Yeah right, and who was on the "winning" side of the Bush years? Republicans lost so bad, they even started calling each other Tea Partiers and Libertarians to hide the shame of the inevitable consequences of their economic ideology.

violentsalvation: GAT_00: violentsalvation: Well, most Obama critics are pretty dumb.

One of the few good ones seems to be David Frum, and I'm not convinced that he's just pissed the Teabaggers took over the GOP, kicked him out for not being conservative enough, and he wants to get back at them. The reason for the criticism is sometimes as valid as the actual criticism.

But, for example, the only people I heard agreeing with my assessment that the President vastly exceeded his authority by killing an American in Yemen was from Slate.

I like David Frum. Seeing the tea party in action drove a lot of us righties back to sanity and gave us all a reality check, 2012 is going to see a lot of fundies devastated and HOPEFULLY we can start putting all that shiat behind us.

As for al-Awlaki, I'm glad he is dead. I respect your opinion on the matter but I will not respect a Republican who has the same opinion as you. You are sticking to your beliefs, the latter is playing forgetful partisan politics.

Well, yeah. Of the many things I can be accused of, Republican isn't one of them. Actually that has happened a few times. Funny shiat.

Frum hasn't been wrong, not badly, but I question his motives. I'm not convinced he actually believes in what he says, that he's just using whatever argument sticks in order to try to take down the guys who kicked him out. I obviously can't say for certain that is the case, and maybe it's just my inability to trust a Bush Speechwriter, but I'm not convinced he's honest, and we've got enough dishonest people in politics. I think the motive matters.

What disappointed me about al-Awlaki was how few people on the left had a problem with that. They would have screamed to high heaven if Dubya had done that. I can't stand hypocrisy. So thank you.

FriarReb98: The thing is, and I say this as a Republican... is that Obama's real failure is something no one can possibly take advantage of. Obama said he was gonna "change the system" (paraphrasing), and now it's just as broke as ever, mostly because extremism in politics is fighting tooth and nail to stay alive. As a politician running for President, how do you fight that? How can you possibly go out there and say "Obama couldn't change things...but I can!" ? You can't. You'd sound like some bad satire, a talking caricature from The Daily Show or The Colbert Report.

Obama failed, but his failure is the continued failure of the system, not just on him. And as long as there really isn't any unity among the GOP due to everyone being crazy or as honest as a used car salesman, nothing is gonna change on their end, and if nothing changes on one side, nothing has to change on the other side because they've got the President on their side.

It's the perfect circle of suck.

As a Republican, I can tell you we've lost our way - we've lost the bubble. We've become distracted by social issues that were lost in the '90s (like gay marriage). We succumbed to the temptation to put a beat-down on people we don't like in the world, oblivious to the fact that war has changed in the West and the ruthlessness it takes to win is no longer acceptable around here - and losing our isolationist roots. We've handed too much to a segment of society not interested in negotiation or compromise.

And finally, we've pandered to the dumbest segment of society, alienating the center in order to maintain our reserves of volunteers and money - the ultra-religious.

We've long since not been the party that William F. Buckley spoke for. The fall of Communism left us with a foreign policy vacuum and it got filled by neocon visions of world domination (not empire - that's still bullshiat ultra-liberals and Libertarians like to pretend we have). We became the party of small government but big debt, and small government was, alas, less important than big army. So we traded it and accepted a big debt.

The truth is that Democrats and Republicans can no longer make that Devil's Bargain. We need to cut the Army in exchange for cutting the government. We DO have a spending problem - but it's easily as much our fault as theirs. We could do everything Republicans want, OR we could do everything Democrats want. But we did everything BOTH of us wanted and just put it on the credit card.

We need to drop gay marriage from our list of objections. It's a loser and that ship sailed when this current generation was born. Maybe it's just me, but I think Matthew Shepherd's murder was the point at which everyone decided this was an issue that encouraged too much bad behavior. Whatever it is, we've lost the young at a scale not matched since 1972. In the '80s, being a Republicans in high school and college was perfectly cool. Now, being a Republican in college is to have a persecution complex.

/Ranted long enough

FloydA: DarthBrooks: [www.mindfully.org image 300x375]

Because liberals hate being on the losing side, once again?

Be fair; all of humanity was on the losing side of that one.

GWB stabbed the GOP in the kidneys. I voted for Kerry - the first Democrat I EVER voted for - because I hoped we could retake the party. Alas, that struggle is still going on. Gingritch is probably the closest thing to a 1980s Republican in the field, but Romney is not awful - just a shameless liar. And that's just sad that the two are the best we've got to offer.

Someone better not tell John Hinckley that she's gay. He tried to assassinate a President for her, imagine what he would plan to ungay her

cman: Someone better not tell John Hinckley that she's gay. He tried to assassinate a President for her, imagine what he would plan to ungay her

Wrong thread.

Sorry

GAT_00: Well, yeah. Of the many things I can be accused of, Republican isn't one of them. Actually that has happened a few times. Funny shiat.

I think it is funnier when a thread goes live and some of the liters claim you are a diehard DNC Obamabot.

But I have been called the full spectrum myself. I've been called a "libtard" in drug war threads.

lol