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(Chronicle Herald)   Wife asks to ride in back of ambulance with dying husband. Is instead left by the side of the road in a blizzard   (thechronicleherald.ca) divider line 160
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2012-01-15 08:38:38 PM  
Pretty soon she is going to own that ambulance company.
 
2012-01-15 09:19:35 PM  
Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...
 
2012-01-15 09:20:48 PM  

Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...


I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.
 
2012-01-15 09:33:40 PM  
somebody farked up

.
 
2012-01-15 09:35:19 PM  
Maybe she should've called a cab instead.
 
2012-01-15 09:36:22 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...

I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.


This. Nobody at the hospital or the ambulance service had idea that there was a problem. I think the reporter perhaps didn't do her due diligence in digging up the rest of the story.
 
2012-01-15 09:36:32 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...

I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.


I can. I've been in a few situations personally where the EMT's actually did less than the bystanders. They're low-wage workers with a 2-year degree (if that)... I certainly wouldn't hold them to any high standard.
 
2012-01-15 09:36:57 PM  
$20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.
 
2012-01-15 09:37:26 PM  
Well it is Canada.
 
2012-01-15 09:38:50 PM  
Maybe she should have told her husband to avoid that tree
 
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2012-01-15 09:40:14 PM  

Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.


i concur. they are just trying to save his life....let them do their job.
 
2012-01-15 09:40:39 PM  

slimfast: Well it is Canada.

a skiing accident at Sugarloaf ski resort in Maine...


Umm....
 
2012-01-15 09:41:20 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Grables'Daughter: Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...

I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.

I can. I've been in a few situations personally where the EMT's actually did less than the bystanders. They're low-wage workers with a 2-year degree (if that)... I certainly wouldn't hold them to any high standard.


Yeppers. Those were not "paramedics". They were, at best EMT-1a's, or what we'd call "ambulance drivers." I'd lay better than even odds they had no idea what they were doing, never even called it in; and probably the reason they went back to the ski clinic is because Fire/Rescue showed up and the REAL medics were going "WTF?!??! Where's our goddamn patient!!?"
 
2012-01-15 09:42:13 PM  

duckpoopy: Maybe she should have told her husband to avoid that tree


George, george, george of the jungle....

/First thing in my head.
//Probably going to hell.
 
2012-01-15 09:43:20 PM  

Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.


I'm going to go with this. I can see her trying to tell them what to do with out knowing what they can do or are allowed to do.
 
2012-01-15 09:44:53 PM  

RogueVortex: duckpoopy: Maybe she should have told her husband to avoid that tree

George, george, george of the jungle....

/First thing in my head.
//Probably going to hell.


On the same vine as me.

Watch out for that...OOF!...tree...
 
2012-01-15 09:47:40 PM  

ongbok: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

I'm going to go with this. I can see her trying to tell them what to do with out knowing what they can do or are allowed to do.


Me too.

She goes from saying that the paramedics didn't do SPECIFIC things to all she wanted to do was hold his hand as he died. That just doesn't jibe with me. Plus the fact that you can't trust someone involved in an incident as to the time it takes to do things. Time seems to slow down when something bad is happening....
 
2012-01-15 09:48:28 PM  

Grables'Daughter: Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...

I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.


Just World fallacy. DIAF.

"My husband had significant and severe chest trauma," Morse said. "I don't know if it would change the outcome."

He might have died anyway but anyone who can be that rational and honest about the situation isn't full of shiat. Unlike you.
 
2012-01-15 09:49:02 PM  
I have no idea what actually happened but have strong opinions based on my keen and insightful mind that I routinely use to bypass the need for facts.
 
2012-01-15 09:49:38 PM  

Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.


Your user name is appropriate: Degenerate!

Someone has to advocate for her husband and father of her children damn it!
 
2012-01-15 09:50:17 PM  

Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.


So in other words she was just being a woman?
 
2012-01-15 09:50:27 PM  
FTFA-"Dana Morse will never forget the image of the ambulance holding her dying husband driving away without her."

I didn't know that ambulances had limbs.

/I guess there's more than meets the eye
 
2012-01-15 09:51:04 PM  

Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.


The fact that you will probably not die before morning proves there is no God.

That and your mother hasn't died of herpes.
 
2012-01-15 09:52:17 PM  

Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.


182: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

i concur. they are just trying to save his life....let them do their job.


ongbok: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

I'm going to go with this. I can see her trying to tell them what to do with out knowing what they can do or are allowed to do.


1) Based on her quotes, she knows what she's doing and what they are supposed to be doing.
2) Just because a family member is shouting at you shouldn't stop you from taking care of a patient correctly. If her accounting of the story is true -- if they never took vitals or started an IV -- they were negligent, and they're farked.
 
2012-01-15 09:52:30 PM  
That story is not believable. Those EMTs/Paramedics had to be just two untrained idiots with a pickup truck or something.

I mean, why the guy let her out and then drive off? That doesn't even make any sense.
 
2012-01-15 09:53:06 PM  
I've given the Phylis-maneuver to two people in my life. Can I be an arsehole EMT douche bag?
 
2012-01-15 09:53:18 PM  

Gunderson: FTFA-"Dana Morse will never forget the image of the ambulance holding her dying husband driving away without her."

I didn't know that ambulances had limbs.

/I guess there's more than meets the eye


You know, things that are containers, or platforms, in the sense of being a surface or box that has something in or on it, are often said to "hold" something.

/english, do you speak it motherfarker
 
2012-01-15 09:56:04 PM  

Gyrfalcon: Teen Wolf Blitzer: Grables'Daughter: Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...

I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.

I can. I've been in a few situations personally where the EMT's actually did less than the bystanders. They're low-wage workers with a 2-year degree (if that)... I certainly wouldn't hold them to any high standard.

Yeppers. Those were not "paramedics". They were, at best EMT-1a's, or what we'd call "ambulance drivers." I'd lay better than even odds they had no idea what they were doing, never even called it in; and probably the reason they went back to the ski clinic is because Fire/Rescue showed up and the REAL medics were going "WTF?!??! Where's our goddamn patient!!?"


As an EMT-B, I take offense to being called an ambulance driver.

Well, wait, no actually that's pretty much all I'm good for.

/chest trauma and internal bleeding?
//ABCs, oxygen, transport is pretty much all I can do
 
2012-01-15 09:56:28 PM  
Sonny Bono and Christopher Reeve
Skis, horses and hittin' some trees!

Lived on a road that led to the local ski area. The ambulance came like ten times a day during ski season. Would you eat at a restaurant where the ambulance came ten times a day?

/skiing is for dumbasses
 
2012-01-15 09:58:09 PM  

Fett56: That story is not believable. Those EMTs/Paramedics had to be just two untrained idiots with a pickup truck or something.

I mean, why the guy let her out and then drive off? That doesn't even make any sense.


Because they had no idea what they were doing? They were 3rd stringers who showed up and were in over their heads, and then realized they were being acutely observed by someone who knew what to do, and got rid of the person who was capable of observing their total ineptitude.

fark, I have as much medical training as Dr. Phil, but even I know that in real life-or-death situations, stabilizing blood pressure is a key task.

This may be news to you, but incompetent people do all kinds of crazy shiat to cover up for their incompetence. Those of us who aren't incompetent know this.

If this story is even 10% true there is a six or seven figure lawsuit here. It would be eight but no one in Maine has that much. (that's a joke (sort of (nested parens ftw (better than slashies))))
 
2012-01-15 09:59:37 PM  

Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.


This. Two days after her husband dies she's calling the press and complaining about the ambulance company.
 
2012-01-15 10:00:58 PM  

MOHWowbagger: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

182: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

i concur. they are just trying to save his life....let them do their job.

ongbok: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

I'm going to go with this. I can see her trying to tell them what to do with out knowing what they can do or are allowed to do.

1) Based on her quotes, she knows what she's doing and what they are supposed to be doing.
2) Just because a family member is shouting at you shouldn't stop you from taking care of a patient correctly. If her accounting of the story is true -- if they never took vitals or started an IV -- they were negligent, and they're farked.


First of all these guys don't sound like they were paramedics. They sound like they were just ambulance drivers. The difference is that EMT's work with the fire department and are called to accidents. These guys work for private ambulance companies that transfer people to the hospital once they are stable. in other words, they are not life savers. From her own words she said that her husband was alert and talking at the clinic when the ambulance came. So it all comes down to what they were legally able to do.
 
2012-01-15 10:01:18 PM  

CruiserTwelve: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

This. Two days after her husband dies she's calling the press and complaining about the ambulance company.


If her story is true, isn't that exactly what anyone would do?
 
2012-01-15 10:03:00 PM  
Why do people ski again? Seems like it's a fairly high-fatality endeavor.
 
2012-01-15 10:04:51 PM  
Here's my theory. That lady was a horrible drunk. She saw a liquor store and asked the driver to stop, which he did. While she was in the store buying booze, the driver realized the situation was dire, so he rolled down the window and shouted at the lady to forget the booze and get in the ambulance. "Holl on. *HIC* I gotta get shum uh dis to *HIC* help me deal wiss diss shichuashun."

The driver, now realizing that the lady wasn't going to return until she got her booze decided that the health of the patient was much too important so he took off.

OK, prove me wrong.
 
2012-01-15 10:05:00 PM  

beerbaron: Sonny Bono and Christopher Reeve
Skis, horses and hittin' some trees!

Lived on a road that led to the local ski area. The ambulance came like ten times a day during ski season. Would you eat at a restaurant where the ambulance came ten times a day?

/skiing is for dumbasses


I have friends who ski, and are horrified that I ride a motorcycle. Only real injury I've ever gotten was a race track crash, and even that was just a cracked rib and some damaged tendins in my knee. And I wear far better safety gear than skiers do.

But there's no convincing them
 
2012-01-15 10:09:37 PM  
Teen Wolf Blitzer: Grables'Daughter: Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...

I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.

I can. I've been in a few situations personally where the EMT's actually did less than the bystanders. They're low-wage workers with a 2-year degree (if that)... I certainly wouldn't hold them to any high standard.


Perhaps one should know what they are talking about before they spout of moronic insults such as this, and remove all doubt, Buddy.
 
2012-01-15 10:11:47 PM  
Its to bad you never hear about these assholes repeatedly getting kicked in the balls.
 
2012-01-15 10:15:05 PM  

wademh: I have no idea what actually happened but have strong opinions based on my keen and insightful mind that I routinely use to bypass the need for facts.


I fervently your view, based on no more knowledge or evidence, only by my need to express a contradictory opinion in an attempt to look smarter.
 
2012-01-15 10:15:23 PM  

wademh: I have no idea what actually happened but have strong opinions based on my keen and insightful mind that I routinely use to bypass the need for facts.


You win the thread

/at least to me
 
2012-01-15 10:15:39 PM  
Where did this guy learn to ski, the Kennedy- Bono School of Skiing?
 
2012-01-15 10:16:01 PM  
ongbok: MOHWowbagger: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

182: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

i concur. they are just trying to save his life....let them do their job.

ongbok: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

I'm going to go with this. I can see her trying to tell them what to do with out knowing what they can do or are allowed to do.

1) Based on her quotes, she knows what she's doing and what they are supposed to be doing.
2) Just because a family member is shouting at you shouldn't stop you from taking care of a patient correctly. If her accounting of the story is true -- if they never took vitals or started an IV -- they were negligent, and they're farked.

First of all these guys don't sound like they were paramedics. They sound like they were just ambulance drivers. The difference is that EMT's work with the fire department and are called to accidents. These guys work for private ambulance companies that transfer people to the hospital once they are stable. in other words, they are not life savers. From her own words she said that her husband was alert and talking at the clinic when the ambulance came. So it all comes down to what they were legally able to do.


Um, what?

There is no such thing as an ambulance crewed by "Ambulance Drivers" in the United States, and have not been since the early 1970s. At a minimum, Every Ambulance in the United States, Even ones who simply take grandma home from the hospital and take a single blood pressure are crewed by an EMT-Basic and Driver. Most services who perform 911 operations operate at atleast the Basic Life Support standard and are crewed with either an EMT and EMT, EMT and EMT-Intermediate, EMT and Paramedic, or Paramedic and Paramedic. In addition to this, "EMTs" are not exclusively employed with Fire Departments. The majority of EMTs around the nation aren't even affiliated with the Fire Service.

They DO NOT TRANSFER A PATIENT TO THE HOSPITAL ONCE THEY ARE STABLE. Prehospital Life Support is geared towards stablization of the patent as best as possibile while in transit, expecially if there is a long transit time. Most of the time, with an unstable trauma patient, there is Nothing to be done in the field that can stabilize them except for the prompt transport to a definitive surgical care facility.

The Nurse and Respiratory Therapist I work with did get a good laugh out of the "They are not lifesavers" comment, though. Good troll, 10/10.
 
2012-01-15 10:16:09 PM  
I'm so worked up, in fact, that I accidentally my whole reply.
 
2012-01-15 10:17:28 PM  
There is ALWAYS more to the story that what we are told. Facts are skewed on all sides in an emergency.
Here is what I know (or at least can glean FTFA):
1. As a long time ER nurse, when skier meets tree, expect the worst. Torso injury; expect fractured ribs, ruptured spleen and any other of a host of "deceleration" injuries. Pt. conscious and talking, rule out head injury, either way get to the goddamn hospital.
2. Ski patrol did what they are supposed to do.
3. Should have had IV started in First Aid Station prior to ambulance arriving. Don't ski at that hill if someone can't at least do that basic skill.
4. EMT's should have started #3 if Station didn't.
5. No reason to "scoop and run" (EMT terminology for code 3 STAT, no time to waste to ER etc). Patient is alert and talking....and take a goddamn blood pressure before you leave! This is basic to ANY level EMT.
6. There is no such thing as an emergency unless CPR is required (my personal motto, in other words, there is always time to assess the situation and procede accordingly).
7. Wife is a source of valuable information. Unfortunately there is always a "pissing match" between health care workers. I've experienced this first hand, but I know how to run the "game".
8. EMT's should never have turned back to First Aid station, unless they determined they were closer to them when patient arrested. You always need extra help during these situations. Either way, call for advice, thats why there is radios in emergency vehicles.
9. Never diss or upset an RN who's spouse is the subject of this apparent Fubar. You are just asking for it.

/sensational story = more sales
// tragic story no matter what.
///that is all.
 
2012-01-15 10:18:58 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: I'm so worked up, in fact, that I accidentally my whole reply.


The whole thing?!
 
2012-01-15 10:18:58 PM  
You know... I this this is Fark and all, welcometofark.jpeg and all that, but I just can't believe the level of moral depravity being displayed in this thread. My ignore list is just piling up right no- oh... wait... the victim in this story wasn't homosexual? Oh! In that case, continue on.
 
2012-01-15 10:20:59 PM  

BronyMedic: Teen Wolf Blitzer: Grables'Daughter: Darth_Lukecash: Holy shiat...She's a Nurse...there is NO way they are getting away with shiat like that...

I agree with you, but I am wondering if there is maybe something missing from her side of the story.

I am not excusing what they did, but I just cannot see anyone doing that.

I can. I've been in a few situations personally where the EMT's actually did less than the bystanders. They're low-wage workers with a 2-year degree (if that)... I certainly wouldn't hold them to any high standard.

Perhaps one should know what they are talking about before they spout of moronic insults such as this, and remove all doubt, Buddy.


No offense intended to any EMT's or paramedics. I've just encountered my fair share of them who were pretty lax about their jobs, so I definitely wouldn't put it past them to do something like this.
 
2012-01-15 10:22:36 PM  
$$$$ Lawyer time $$$$
 
2012-01-15 10:22:44 PM  
Teen Wowlf Blitzer: If her story is true, isn't that exactly what anyone would do?

I've refused to let family members ride into the hosptial before. There is no legal requirement for me to take them unless the patient is a minor, and if they are interfering with patient care or delaying me getting a critical patient to defintiive care, it's my license and livelyhood on the line. I can't explain away to the state EMS board why I delayed care so they cound find their suitcase and pack while I had a patient bleeding out from a torn aortic arch or dying from a STEMI. I also don't let people ride in the box with me, expecially running RLS. There's no way to safely secure you back there, expecially if I have a First Responder riding with me to assist. I try to be as polite and as accomidating as possible. But there are certain times where "either you come with me now, or you're staying here."

If I'm on the Heli, you're not flying with them. There's no room, period.

It's no different than removing a family member from the resus room while you are performing a procedure

Now. Before you say Oh, BronyMedic, how could you defend these people. They're dicks!, why don't you take a deep breath, relax, and realize I'm NOT. What I am saying though, is that I can understand why they left without her, and think people need to wait for the entire situation to come out, before calling them dicks and awarding summary judgement.
 
2012-01-15 10:25:24 PM  

Teen Wolf Blitzer: CruiserTwelve: Macular Degenerate: $20 says she was a completely out of control bossy lunatic, trying to tell all the EMTs how to do their jobs. If it were me in that case, I'd have dumped her on the side of the road too.

This. Two days after her husband dies she's calling the press and complaining about the ambulance company.

If her story is true, isn't that exactly what anyone would do?


who calls the press when their loved one dies of alleged med mal? f*ck the lawyer, the 25 years of economic damages sitting here, I'm calling 7 on your side. what makes you think calling the press is what normal people do in these situations?
 
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