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(Salt Lake Tribune)   Utah's top law enforcement officer accused of plagiariz...er, stealing intellectual property in support of SOPA. Damages estimated at about 28 billion dollars by MPAA/RIAA mathematicians   (sltrib.com ) divider line 40
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ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-15 08:20:01 AM  
It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.

On the other hand, it is a sign of a weak, easily-bought mind.
 
2012-01-15 08:21:10 AM  
It's no stealing if you're a shill repeating what your overlords have written for you.
 
2012-01-15 08:55:29 AM  
He wants to protect "consumers"? Consumers of what, federal prison cells?
 
2012-01-15 09:24:07 AM  

hillary: "Could some quotes be put around those certain issues? Yeah. Is it plagiarism? No," Shurtleff said.

Yeah it is. If your little snowflakes get caught doing this on a term paper, some colleges will actually flunk and/or expell them.


In other news, college =/= real world
 
2012-01-15 09:25:14 AM  
ZAZ: It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.

But was it meant for people who copied it to take credit for it as if those were their own words and ideas? Because that's what's relevant.
 
2012-01-15 09:25:25 AM  
This is not rocket science. If you use the work of others and do not credit them, it is plagiarism. Basic academics there. If you use the intellectual property of others for profit that's theft.

If you use a guy with who doesn't know the difference to enforce the law, you'll get no justice.
 
2012-01-15 09:28:30 AM  

ZAZ: It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.


Totally plagiarism. If he were in one of my classes, I would give him a 0 and enjoy his tears.
 
2012-01-15 09:30:24 AM  
28 billion, subby? You sound like a piracy advocate, the tru loses in profits is in the TRILLIONS! Without even counting the billions of jobs.
 
2012-01-15 09:32:23 AM  

RandomAxe: ZAZ: It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.

But was it meant for people who copied it to take credit for it as if those were their own words and ideas? Because that's what's relevant.


It is nicely ironic and hilarious.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-01-15 09:32:27 AM  
RandomAxe

I think it was intended to be copied verbatim. That's a standard PR tactic. Newspapers don't want to reprint a generic letter from a big organization. They want to print a unique, local opinion. The goal is to take the company's generic letter and present it as written by somebody local.

Nowadays you get the same behavior on blogs and stories with comments. A company has "concerned citizens" echo the party line.
 
2012-01-15 09:33:46 AM  
ALEC walks away shuffling his feet and whistling.
 
2012-01-15 09:41:38 AM  
So what? MLK still has yet to have his doctorate revoked and much of his thesis was lifted with spelling and grammars intact and tards across the world still refer to him as Dr. Why should we worry about some nobody who wrote some op ed piece that nobody read that has a bunch of crap in it copied from other crap that nobody ever read?
 
2012-01-15 09:46:00 AM  
Its not copyright violation when you are a paid endorser.
 
2012-01-15 09:54:32 AM  

Benjimin_Dover: So what? MLK still has yet to have his doctorate revoked and much of his thesis was lifted with spelling and grammars intact and tards across the world still refer to him as Dr. Why should we worry about some nobody who wrote some op ed piece that nobody read that has a bunch of crap in it copied from other crap that nobody ever read?


Nice.
 
2012-01-15 10:02:01 AM  
"People be speakin' words all the time!"
 
2012-01-15 10:14:28 AM  
I always wonder how the MPAA gets those numbers:

1. Take the highest estimate you've ever heard for total number of movies pirated. Include non-Internet-based piracy.

2. Assume that every single movie ever pirated means the loss of the sale of a brand-new $70 2-disc special-edition Blu Ray AND a full-price 3D theater ticket. Ignore factors like rentals, purchasing used DVDs, people who would have simply never seen the movie if not for piracy, etc.

3. Quadruple that number, because what if they're showing that pirated movie to their friends? That means three more Blu Rays, rite?

4. Triple that number, because fark you, that's why!

5.????

6. zOMG! Infinity-billion dollar loss due to piracy!
 
2012-01-15 10:20:28 AM  
Chthonic Echoes:
ZAZ: It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.

Totally plagiarism. If he were in one of my classes, I would give him a 0 and enjoy his tears.


A perfect example of how liberal university professors scheme to drive out conservative thought by suppressing freedom of speech. Students repeat the ideas of philosophers and liberals like Soros and Chompsky all the time, and are never punished.
 
2012-01-15 10:21:01 AM  

ZAZ: It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.

On the other hand, it is a sign of a weak, easily-bought mind.


not only that but...when you think about it, calling this guy's actions plagiarism is a perfect response to RIAA's tactics. sure - you COULD point out that this is nothing more than boilerplate industry propaganda...but that's boring. calling it plagiarism tho...well NOW you've got people's attention. Not only that, but you've put this guy on the defensive AND neutralized any help RIAA might try to give him on the propaganda front.
 
2012-01-15 10:26:05 AM  
FTA:

"Could some quotes be put around those certain issues? Yeah. Is it plagiarism? No," Shurtleff said. "People are reciting words all the time."

---

As we were all taught in school, it's ok to quote something you didn't write as long as you attribute it to whomever did.
It's alright Sheriff, you're a cop *and* an elected politician. So most likely you're an idiot at best and a lying thief at worst.
Either way, we're here to help.
 
2012-01-15 10:27:07 AM  
Read Synch my lips.

i524.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-15 11:37:54 AM  
Pay a corrupt politician enough, he'll do your bidding. Especially if you are well off already. YOU CAN NEVER HAVE ENOUGH!!!
 
2012-01-15 11:40:15 AM  

Yogimus: hillary: "Could some quotes be put around those certain issues? Yeah. Is it plagiarism? No," Shurtleff said.

Yeah it is. If your little snowflakes get caught doing this on a term paper, some colleges will actually flunk and/or expell them.

In other news, college =/= real world


You ARE aware that he's trying to get the presidency seat at the University of Utah?
 
2012-01-15 11:40:27 AM  
Make an example out of him. Use the zero tolerance and stip him of everything. Put him in debtor's prison and make him pay it off.
 
2012-01-15 11:50:53 AM  

No Such Agency: Chthonic Echoes:
ZAZ: It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.

Totally plagiarism. If he were in one of my classes, I would give him a 0 and enjoy his tears.

A perfect example of how liberal university professors scheme to drive out conservative thought by suppressing freedom of speech. Students repeat the ideas of philosophers and liberals like Soros and Chompsky all the time, and are never punished.


You know how I know you never went to college?

They credit them. Every single student that ever wrote a paper in a decent college gives credit where due, otherwise, they will lose their classes and possibly face being expelled from the college/university.

Plagiarism is a very serious offense, both professionally and academically. What makes plagarism is not merely taking the idea, no, that's actually okay and even encouraged since that fuels discourse - plagarism is not giving credit where due. If you ever take a idea from somebody, you must give credit.

It's like taking a co-workers million dollar idea to the boss and never mentioning that it was the co-worker's idea. If the credit was given - here's a shocker for you - It is no problem! Boss is happy, Co-worker is happy.
 
2012-01-15 11:51:20 AM  

hillary: Wow. Who knew plagiarizing was so easy? I could do this all day long. Just copy and paste like I did in my last three posts. Woohoo!

And it doesn't feel wrong, either.

//elevator going down


Nicely done. Thought my scroll wheel was broken for a second. BitwiseShift broke the trance though.
 
2012-01-15 01:03:13 PM  
Huh. No comments in the last hour.
 
KNW
2012-01-15 01:10:08 PM  

CrispFlows: Huh. No comments in the last hour.


no one can come up with something suitably original that won't get SOPA/RIAA on their ass
 
2012-01-15 01:13:08 PM  
The only advocates for SOPA are shills and people who don't actually understand what it does. My mom couldn't care less, but then again she can't find the "any" key.
 
2012-01-15 01:15:16 PM  

KNW: CrispFlows: Huh. No comments in the last hour.

no one can come up with something suitably original that won't get SOPA/RIAA on their ass


Considering that there is 70 years of copyrighted works of books, music, television and movies all enforceable to the law, I can see this conundrum happening.

That's an entirely different issue from what the thread is discussing and I am going leave it at that.
 
2012-01-15 01:16:09 PM  

brianbankerus: My mom couldn't care less, but then again she can't find the "any" key.


Tell your mom that this could stop her from getting her lolcats.
 
2012-01-15 01:40:24 PM  

Fireproof: I always wonder how the MPAA gets those numbers:

1. Take the highest estimate you've ever heard for total number of movies pirated. Include non-Internet-based piracy.

2. Assume that every single movie ever pirated means the loss of the sale of a brand-new $70 2-disc special-edition Blu Ray AND a full-price 3D theater ticket. Ignore factors like rentals, purchasing used DVDs, people who would have simply never seen the movie if not for piracy, etc.

3. Quadruple that number, because what if they're showing that pirated movie to their friends? That means three more Blu Rays, rite?

4. Triple that number, because fark you, that's why!

5.????

6. zOMG! Infinity-billion dollar loss due to piracy!


No... Take the statutory damages in the Copyright Act of "up to $150k per work infringed," multiply that by the number of works available* on PirateBay or IsoHunt, and you end up in the hundreds of billions range.

*not really "available", but "made available". The whole thing is based on an induced infringement argument which has, for better or for worse, been upheld by SCOTUS.
 
2012-01-15 01:52:15 PM  
So, let's see:
1) Redefinition (plagiarism)
2) Argumentum ad populum
3) Ad hominem
4) Appeal to emotion

And those were in three lines of quotes from said douchenozzle. Also, I'm sure I missed some. Just tar and feather the bastard for blatant stupidity.
 
2012-01-15 02:24:34 PM  

CrispFlows: brianbankerus: My mom couldn't care less, but then again she can't find the "any" key.

Tell your mom that this could stop her from getting her lolcats.


She doesn't lolcat. She barely checks email. I'll have to show her xhamster I guess.
 
2012-01-15 02:37:25 PM  

CrispFlows: No Such Agency: Chthonic Echoes:
ZAZ: It's not a coyright violation because the pro-SOPA propaganda was meant to be copied.

Totally plagiarism. If he were in one of my classes, I would give him a 0 and enjoy his tears.

A perfect example of how liberal university professors scheme to drive out conservative thought by suppressing freedom of speech. Students repeat the ideas of philosophers and liberals like Soros and Chompsky all the time, and are never punished.

You know how I know you never went to college?

They credit them. Every single student that ever wrote a paper in a decent college gives credit where due, otherwise, they will lose their classes and possibly face being expelled from the college/university.

Plagiarism is a very serious offense, both professionally and academically. What makes plagarism is not merely taking the idea, no, that's actually okay and even encouraged since that fuels discourse - plagarism is not giving credit where due. If you ever take a idea from somebody, you must give credit.

It's like taking a co-workers million dollar idea to the boss and never mentioning that it was the co-worker's idea. If the credit was given - here's a shocker for you - It is no problem! Boss is happy, Co-worker is happy.


Not really. The same college that refused to revoke MLK's doctorate revoked the doctorate of a white dude. Why? Because he "didn't give credit" to the sources of portions of a speech he gave. When the speech was examined, it was shown that every single portion that wasn't his had a footnote for it. BUT since he didn't stand there for some appropriate amount of time after he was speaking reading the footnotes he was defrocked or whatever they call it. So what really matters is not whether somebody follows the rules or not but who it is that is following or not following the rules and whether or not the content is to the liking of the elites in charge.
 
2012-01-15 03:14:42 PM  
This just in: If you oppose SOPA/PIPA, you're "interested in piracy". Technically, anyone on either side is "interested" in piracy, Congressman Douchebag. Especially, say, the bill's farking sponsor. But of course, he means to imply that anyone who opposes it does so because they want it to be easier to engage in illegal acts that would ostensibly be made more difficult under the legislation. Not that there's anything wrong with the legislation itself. That would be unpossible.
 
2012-01-15 03:19:59 PM  
Benjimin_Dover:
Not really. The same college that refused to revoke MLK's doctorate revoked the doctorate of a white dude. Why? Because he "didn't give credit" to the sources of portions of a speech he gave. When the speech was examined, it was shown that every single portion that wasn't his had a footnote for it. BUT since he didn't stand there for some appropriate amount of time after he was speaking reading the footnotes he was defrocked or whatever they call it. So what really matters is not whether somebody follows the rules or not but who it is that is following or not following the rules and whether or not the content is to the liking of the elites in charge.

Yeah! I got that email too, when it went around, and I made sure to forward it to everyone I know. College liberals make me sick, what did they ever do to help America with their footnotes and whatnot.
 
2012-01-15 03:28:08 PM  

Benjimin_Dover: Not really. The same college that refused to revoke MLK's doctorate revoked the doctorate of a white dude. Why? Because he "didn't give credit" to the sources of portions of a speech he gave. When the speech was examined, it was shown that every single portion that wasn't his had a footnote for it. BUT since he didn't stand there for some appropriate amount of time after he was speaking reading the footnotes he was defrocked or whatever they call it. So what really matters is not whether somebody follows the rules or not but who it is that is following or not following the rules and whether or not the content is to the liking of the elites in charge.


That's why they have an ombudsman and repeal processes for this kind of thing. If the universities doesn't offer any repeal processes, it opens the universities up to lawsuits, which in the long term really hurts them.

Even though the universities has elites in charge, they are among peers and if the university is sued or has lost the appeal process, It tarnishes their reputation and risks their seats.

It's to the PHD candidate's best benefits to document everything about their education; They should document their research, doctorate presentation and defenses - everything.

It also occurs to me that it is literally impossible to encounter any field out there that does not have their own circle of elites, regardless of any affiliations of any organizations. I would prefer a constant churn in every field to prevent elitism but it happens and the cost of quality is constant vigilance, but that is also not on topic. My apologies for the digression.
 
2012-01-15 06:15:37 PM  

No Such Agency: Benjimin_Dover:
Not really. The same college that refused to revoke MLK's doctorate revoked the doctorate of a white dude. Why? Because he "didn't give credit" to the sources of portions of a speech he gave. When the speech was examined, it was shown that every single portion that wasn't his had a footnote for it. BUT since he didn't stand there for some appropriate amount of time after he was speaking reading the footnotes he was defrocked or whatever they call it. So what really matters is not whether somebody follows the rules or not but who it is that is following or not following the rules and whether or not the content is to the liking of the elites in charge.

Yeah! I got that email too, when it went around, and I made sure to forward it to everyone I know. College liberals make me sick, what did they ever do to help America with their footnotes and whatnot.


Wow. Considering that happened before email was common place, I'm surprised you conservatards were able to keep it alive that long.
 
2012-01-15 06:27:22 PM  

hillary: It's in her basement on your keyboard.


You know there really is a grown man that lives in his mom's basement and rants online. I wonder what his self esteem is like.
 
2012-01-16 05:21:30 AM  
FTA:

"Could some quotes be put around those certain issues? Yeah. Is it plagiarism? No," Shurtleff said. "People are reciting words all the time."

---

As we were all taught in school, it's ok to quote something you didn't write as long as you attribute it to whomever did.
It's alright Sheriff, you're a cop *and* an elected politician. So most likely you're an idiot at best and a lying thief at worst.
Either way, we're here to help.
 
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