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(Politico)   RIAA on SOPA outrage: "It sure seems like the deck is stacked to ensure no meaningful or balanced debate occurs on an issue that is very important to American jobs and our economy"   (politico.com) divider line 336
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2012-01-15 11:18:04 AM  

Honest Bender: HeartBurnKid: I get that you think the government sucks, but how does abdicating the one small measure of power you have to make them suck less do anything but make them suck more?

The only difference between you and me is that I don't buy into the illusion that we have that power.


We do, and if you and everybody else who says "I'm not voting because everybody sucks" exercised it, it might mean something.
 
2012-01-15 11:18:36 AM  

adamgreeney: SmackLT: No Ironic tag for this one?

Came here to say this.

Hey RIAA, television studios, etc. FIND A NEW BUSINESS MODEL.

If you make everything available online and make it reasonable to buy without insane restrictions, it will be bought legally by 99% of people. We pirate because you make content unavailable through legal means or make it so restrctive that it isnt worth the price. Maybe look in the mirror a bit here.


Steam has said that, in effect, they expected to make x amount with thier first huge sales etc they did.

They made something insane like 3000% of x.

People want to buy content. They just need to trust the provider and it needs to be priced reasonably.

Otherwise they say f you and get it free or not at all.

I personally simply stopped trying to watch shows on not-Hulu because they all have some different format, want me to subscribe, don't publish episodes in a timely manner, or flat out don't work.
 
2012-01-15 11:18:52 AM  

adamgreeney:
What happens when your computer or iPod dies? Maybe Apple has gotten better with that, but I remember when you would just lose your music. That's insane.


What's insane is not having multiple backups for things you're not willing to lose.

In any case, Apple will let you re-download all your purchased movies and songs as a one-time courtesy if your computer dies, but you really shouldn't have let it come to that.
 
2012-01-15 11:19:32 AM  

WhyteRaven74: SharkTrager: that was going to close Guantanamo

There are two executive orders ordering it shut down. You put the blame at the feet of Congress for never following through with the funding to make it happen.


It didn't take congressional funding to move the prisoners. The facilities to house them elsewhere exist. The planes fly in and out daily. The ability to release prisoners to their home countries exist. The legal right to facilitate the transfers exist.

The idea that they couldn't have closed the prison because they didn't have funding is absolute bullshiat.
 
2012-01-15 11:20:45 AM  
When it comes to movie piracy, for me getting it *free* isn't the issue at all. It's the simple availability, and ease of use.

If there existed a legal, easy to use means by which I could go to a site, get a list of just about every movie ever made, regardless of studio, and have it on my computer within the hour with no time constraint, for a reasonable fee, I would have no issue with paying for every single movie I download.

The problem of piracy doesn't stem from the desire to steal for most people. The problem stems from the fact that the film and music industry refuse to adapt to the needs of their customers in the face of a technology revolution. And it is their own quibbling and nickle and diming each other over rights agreements that is preventing them from creating online downloading resources which match those provided by the wooden legged parrot aficionados.

Here's the conversation in a nutshell:
Movie Studio A - Hey, would you like to join our conglomerate of movie studios to create an online catalog of downloadable movies, each purchased for a nominal fee?
Movie Studio B - No way! If people want to watch our movies we want them to have to go to our website, so they have to see our advertisements, sign up for an account so we can spam their emails with advertisements, force them to install our weird crappy codec and not notice the toolbar malware they're also installing, etc. Also the other crappy movie service that no one uses doesn't want us to let anyone else show our movies.
Guy Who Wants to Watch a Movie - Well fark you then. There, I've downloaded your movie and watched it anyway. Happy now?
 
2012-01-15 11:20:59 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Honest Bender: This is why I abstain from voting.

Then STFU. You've got no reason to complain; you got the government you deserve.


Whereas all the people that actually voted for the government have the right to complain, even though they were the ones that enabled it to do these things in the first place?

I think you have it backwards.
 
2012-01-15 11:21:03 AM  
tenpoundsofcheese: You an entitled, unethical POS.

He's paying for the service. That the service isn't available worldwide is a fault of the service and the film studios. There's zero reason for them to not allow people to access the material anywhere in the world.
 
rpm
2012-01-15 11:21:32 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: Got it.

You are NOT paying for the service you are using. What you are paying for does not allow access in Switzerland (probably due to whatever licensing fees Netflix would have to pay if they did that).

You an entitled, unethical POS.


You're assuming the laws are ethical. You want the benefits of globalization? You get the downsides of it too. The regions are unethical.
 
2012-01-15 11:21:44 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: Those corporations' cocks aren't going to suck themselves.


This

WhyteRaven74: Someone ask the RIAA about all the money record labels owe to artists and how much of the money from RIAA lawsuits actually goes to the people who hold the copyrights.


and that...

/thread
 
2012-01-15 11:23:17 AM  
SharkTrager: The idea that they couldn't have closed the prison because they didn't have funding is absolute bullshiat.

The second order called for the prisoners to be moved to a stateside facility and which point the GOP pissed itself. There were plans to buy a closed down prison here in Illinois for the purpose and the GOP rep for the area started whining about having terrorists in their backyards. Only Congress could authorize the funds to acquire and operate the prison.
 
2012-01-15 11:23:39 AM  
I used to record songs on cassette off the radio. they didn't cry about it then. they didn't try to outlaw cassette recorders.
 
2012-01-15 11:24:05 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: adamgreeney: tenpoundsofcheese: adamgreeney: We pirate because you make content unavailable through legal means or make it so restrctive that it isnt worth the price. Maybe look in the mirror a bit here.

No you pirate content because you are an entitled idiot who believes that you should benefit from pirating without paying.

tenpoundsofcheese: adamgreeney: We pirate because you make content unavailable through legal means or make it so restrctive that it isnt worth the price. Maybe look in the mirror a bit here.

No you pirate content because you are an entitled idiot who believes that you should benefit from pirating without paying.

yeah, some people do. Personally, i have never pirated anything since Napster. I WANT to give people my money! But the pricing and DRM tells me they dont want to take it. giving me 24 hours to watc h a film? sorry, but human lives arent always constructed so that i have 2 contiguous hours. So obviously they want to make movie renting a pain in the ass. iTunes allows you to buy music, but only for your apple device, so you dont actually own the music. How does any of that make piracy less attractive?

Piracy is getting something for nothing, so for people have ethics, it should never be an attractive option.

well, except maybe if somehow an orphans life depends on it or something like that.

Different business models are emerging. You can get redbox for $1.3 a day and don't need to worry about watching it in two days. Others will emerge too.


Redbox is great, but it doesnt always have a great selection. I prefer digital if I can get it. The problem is that a lot of the great models are being hampered by the idiots trying to push for SOPA's passing. Those people don't want new models. They want people to stop innovating and go back to the old models. That is the biggest issue in my mind. Innovation is a bad word for them, and they are too stupid to figure out how to make money from their products, so they want to hamper free speech and innovation to protect themselves.
 
2012-01-15 11:24:36 AM  
adamgreeney:
What happens when your computer or iPod dies? Maybe Apple has gotten better with that, but I remember when you would just lose your music. That's insane.

iTunes can be backed-up and restored. When I went from a PC to a Mac, I had no problems porting it from one machine to the next...

Also, I like to be able to listen to my music in any form I want. we don't OWN it, because we have to use the terms they dictate. When i bought a CD i could listen to it in any player anywhere I go. I like the Zune Pass model because I can download and listen to anything I want, but get to keep 10 songs a month and can burn them, move them, anything I want. Thats worth the money every month.

Sounds like you already have a solution to your problem...
 
2012-01-15 11:25:02 AM  

WhyteRaven74: adamgreeney: What happens when your computer or iPod dies?

you can keep a copy on your iPod and your computer, you can burn the stuff to a CD if you want. Can copy it to a second hard drive.

tenpoundsofcheese: You can get redbox for $1.3 a day and don't need to worry about watching it in two days.

And you get a very limited choice of movies.

waaa, waaa, waaaa. I am entitled to get more content than people are willing to give me. Waaaa, waaa, waaa.

How about the film studios putting everything online and charging $5 a month for watching all the movies you want at your leisure? They'd make money hand over fist doing that.

Seriously?? Don't you think that they have a bunch of people trying to figure out how to make money hand over fist? Don't you think that they looked at that option? Did you see what happened with Netflix?

 
2012-01-15 11:25:19 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Honest Bender: HeartBurnKid: I get that you think the government sucks, but how does abdicating the one small measure of power you have to make them suck less do anything but make them suck more?

The only difference between you and me is that I don't buy into the illusion that we have that power.

We do, and if you and everybody else who says "I'm not voting because everybody sucks" exercised it, it might mean something.


How? Explain the process to me.
 
rpm
2012-01-15 11:25:26 AM  

Hobodeluxe: I used to record songs on cassette off the radio. they didn't cry about it then. they didn't try to outlaw cassette recorders.


"Home Taping is Killing Music"

Yeah, they did.
 
2012-01-15 11:25:54 AM  
pirating old school

www.billstuff.com
 
2012-01-15 11:26:22 AM  

oroku_saki: heypete: oroku_saki: Fark the RIAA, fark the MPAA, fark the ESA, and fark everyone else who supports SOPA.

The European Space Agency supports SOPA?

I don't think so, but the Entertainment Software Association does. Anyone who has purchased stuff from Nintendo, Sony, Capcom, EA, or Square-Enix has at least some of that money go to the ESA. Here's a full list of their members (new window).

What is so ironic about the ESA is that they created a group called the Video Game Voter's Network that supposedly champions free speech. However, recent news makes it seem that they only care about free speech that supports the ESA and their member's bottom lines.


Speaking as someone who's vaguely in the biz - actually, SOPA harms ESA's members more than helps them in any regard(by killing much of the 'heard from friend' or 'saw Let's Play' clip on youtube -type marketing, as well as the game company's own web2.0 enabled sites to help generate hype).
Video games, like movies, are pirated via P2P, not websites. There is a campaign circulating among ESA members to tell ESA to back the hell off.
 
2012-01-15 11:26:32 AM  
BTW if the copyright laws hadn't been redone in the 70s and then the 90s, there's a fark ton of movies and music that would now be public domain. Oh yeah in the 70s legislation there's a thing with music where after a certain amount of time all rights revert to the songwriter. And guess what? The record labels are trying to fight from having to revert all the rights back.
 
2012-01-15 11:26:41 AM  

Marcus Aurelius: [horrornews.net image 400x333]


Oh, cool. Somebody else has actually seen that movie?
 
2012-01-15 11:26:45 AM  

Rozotorical: Bullshiat, The only voice in our government we have as Americans are our pocket books. Public opinion means shiat.


Jared Lee Loughner had a voice in government, just not a type of voice that we like.
 
2012-01-15 11:28:10 AM  

rpm: Hobodeluxe: I used to record songs on cassette off the radio. they didn't cry about it then. they didn't try to outlaw cassette recorders.

"Home Taping is Killing Music"

Yeah, they did.


well they should have quit putting the songs on the radio then
 
2012-01-15 11:28:35 AM  
The RIAA is mean. They threatened to sue me when I was a poor college student knowingly pirating music.
 
2012-01-15 11:28:35 AM  
www.dreamfoundry.co.za
/been an argument since...forever
 
2012-01-15 11:29:12 AM  
tenpoundsofcheese: Seriously?? Don't you think that they have a bunch of people trying to figure out how to make money hand over fist? Don't you think that they looked at that option? Did you see what happened with Netflix?

Netflix has to pay a ton of money to the studios, if the studios put the movies online themselves, those licensing fees aren't there. And movies no one sees don't make any money for the studio. No studio has even thought about putting their entire catalog online and making it available for streaming. Most still drag their feet on releasing DVDs of old movies.

waaa, waaa, waaaa. I am entitled to get more content than people are willing to give me. Waaaa, waaa, waaa.

I'd gladly pay for it if I could get it. Alas, there's nowhere to go to get it. And me not being able to get it and pay for it just costs the film studios money.
 
2012-01-15 11:29:21 AM  

ox45tallboy: adamgreeney: I don't remember anyone trying to ban VCR's from being plugged into TV's...

I was born in 1976, so I was only 6 years old when the "Video Nasty" debates took place. The whole theory was based on "think of the children" but enough people had home video devices by then, and liked watching porn at home, that it just turned into a labeling system more stringent than the cinema release.

But there were people that believed in banning of home video playback devices, especially those that could record.

Wiki


I'm not quite 30 yet, so I remember VCR's very well, but I didn't exactly pay attention to lawsuits. That's kind of incredible to read about though.

GizmoToy: adamgreeney:
What happens when your computer or iPod dies? Maybe Apple has gotten better with that, but I remember when you would just lose your music. That's insane.

What's insane is not having multiple backups for things you're not willing to lose.

In any case, Apple will let you re-download all your purchased movies and songs as a one-time courtesy if your computer dies, but you really shouldn't have let it come to that.


I like to live dangerously. I'm glad they allow you to redownload now. That makes me more likely to go to Apple once Microsoft actually kills my Zune.

kroonermanblack: adamgreeney: SmackLT: No Ironic tag for this one?

Came here to say this.

Hey RIAA, television studios, etc. FIND A NEW BUSINESS MODEL.

If you make everything available online and make it reasonable to buy without insane restrictions, it will be bought legally by 99% of people. We pirate because you make content unavailable through legal means or make it so restrctive that it isnt worth the price. Maybe look in the mirror a bit here.

Steam has said that, in effect, they expected to make x amount with thier first huge sales etc they did.

They made something insane like 3000% of x.

People want to buy content. They just need to trust the provider and it needs to be priced reasonably.

Otherwise they say f you and get it free or not at all.

I personally simply stopped trying to watch shows on not-Hulu because they all have some different format, want me to subscribe, don't publish episodes in a timely manner, or flat out don't work.


Steam is a PERFECT example. Hell, Hulu and Netflix are too. I'd pay 10 or 15 for Hulu gladly if they had more back seasons. I want to watch more shows, but i can't find them legally, so I have to home Hulu or Netflix get them at some point. Everyone should be following Steam's example.
 
2012-01-15 11:29:29 AM  

SharkTrager: WhyteRaven74: SharkTrager: that was going to close Guantanamo

There are two executive orders ordering it shut down. You put the blame at the feet of Congress for never following through with the funding to make it happen.

It didn't take congressional funding to move the prisoners. The facilities to house them elsewhere exist. The planes fly in and out daily. The ability to release prisoners to their home countries exist. The legal right to facilitate the transfers exist.

The idea that they couldn't have closed the prison because they didn't have funding is absolute bullshiat.


Aw, geez, really? Congress does this all the time. Read this, you might get a better of how your government works. Or, in this case, doesn't.

Also, take a good look at the URL.
 
2012-01-15 11:30:07 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: You are NOT paying for the service you are using. What you are paying for does not allow access in Switzerland (probably due to whatever licensing fees Netflix would have to pay if they did that).

You an entitled, unethical POS.


This is the most retarded thing I've ever read. Netflix has the ability to block vpn ips, and they don't. The guy is paying netflix the same that anyone else does. And you still call him a piece of shiat.

I'm sure you never travel a mile an hour over the speed limit, you moron.
 
rpm
2012-01-15 11:30:08 AM  

Hobodeluxe: rpm: Hobodeluxe: I used to record songs on cassette off the radio. they didn't cry about it then. they didn't try to outlaw cassette recorders.

"Home Taping is Killing Music"

Yeah, they did.

well they should have quit putting the songs on the radio then


Well, they tried. They opposed radio in the beginning too, since it would hurt the artists.

The content industry has been on the wrong side of innovation EVERY SINGLE TIME.
 
2012-01-15 11:30:26 AM  
Hey, RIAA slavery was good for the Southern economy too. Problem is evil is still evil.

/take your greed and cram it with walnuts.
 
2012-01-15 11:31:49 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: WhyteRaven74: adamgreeney: What happens when your computer or iPod dies?

you can keep a copy on your iPod and your computer, you can burn the stuff to a CD if you want. Can copy it to a second hard drive.

tenpoundsofcheese: You can get redbox for $1.3 a day and don't need to worry about watching it in two days.

And you get a very limited choice of movies.

waaa, waaa, waaaa. I am entitled to get more content than people are willing to give me. Waaaa, waaa, waaa.

How about the film studios putting everything online and charging $5 a month for watching all the movies you want at your leisure? They'd make money hand over fist doing that.

Seriously?? Don't you think that they have a bunch of people trying to figure out how to make money hand over fist? Don't you think that they looked at that option? Did you see what happened with Netflix?


Hold on there. I'm not whining, I'm simply saying that I won't use Redbox very often because they don't offer content that I want. Isn't that how the market is supposed to work? I want content, and if that content isn't there, then why would I use that service? Where is the whining here?
 
2012-01-15 11:32:11 AM  

Hobodeluxe: I used to record songs on cassette off the radio. they didn't cry about it then. they didn't try to outlaw cassette recorders.


upload.wikimedia.org

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Home_Taping_Is_Killing_Music

/not sure if there was an American equivalent to this UK campaign
 
2012-01-15 11:32:23 AM  

SweetSaws: The RIAA is mean. They threatened to sue me when I was a poor college student knowingly pirating music.


I knew a guy in my freshman dorm who was a target of the RIAA. His could barely afford in-state tuition so I don't know what happened. I do know the school was trying to do its best to block the RIAA from attacking the students.
I was caught once using P2P, but the school just gave me a warning to cut it out, and I did.
 
2012-01-15 11:33:30 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: You are NOT paying for the service you are using. What you are paying for does not allow access in Switzerland (probably due to whatever licensing fees Netflix would have to pay if they did that).

You an entitled, unethical POS.


I think you're confused. I'm a willing, paying customer. I opt to go through a bit of trouble and extra cost in order to pay for for the content that I'm viewing.

I could just pirate everything (and it's legal to do so here), but I opt to pay money for resources I use. How does that make me entitled?

I would love for Netflix (or some other company) to offer comparable service in Switzerland so I don't have to jump through all these hoops, but nobody has yet. I'd happily pay a bit more money in licensing fees if that's what it took.

Maybe if the RIAA, et al. got their collective heads out of their asses, they might realize that if they actually offer to sell people things, people will buy their things. Instead, they continue to not offer their products in many global markets and complain how nobody is buying their stuff.

Commerce is a two-way street: you need a buyer and a seller to agree upon mutually agreeable terms. There's a lot of people out there who are actively wanting to buy the products being offered, but cannot. It's no surprise that some turn to piracy.
 
2012-01-15 11:34:50 AM  
Incredibly rich and greedy old, old men brains are made of concrete. It's a bit like having the buggy-whip manufacturers in 1908 buying politicians to pass laws prevent Henry Ford from manufacturing cars.

Record Industry ASSHOLES of America. Buying their buddies (like this LAMAR pandering piece of shiat!) to protect their business model the LAZY way.
 
2012-01-15 11:34:56 AM  

tenpoundsofcheese: adamgreeney: tenpoundsofcheese: adamgreeney: We pirate because you make content unavailable through legal means or make it so restrctive that it isnt worth the price. Maybe look in the mirror a bit here.

No you pirate content because you are an entitled idiot who believes that you should benefit from pirating without paying.

tenpoundsofcheese: adamgreeney: We pirate because you make content unavailable through legal means or make it so restrctive that it isnt worth the price. Maybe look in the mirror a bit here.

No you pirate content because you are an entitled idiot who believes that you should benefit from pirating without paying.

yeah, some people do. Personally, i have never pirated anything since Napster. I WANT to give people my money! But the pricing and DRM tells me they dont want to take it. giving me 24 hours to watc h a film? sorry, but human lives arent always constructed so that i have 2 contiguous hours. So obviously they want to make movie renting a pain in the ass. iTunes allows you to buy music, but only for your apple device, so you dont actually own the music. How does any of that make piracy less attractive?

Piracy is getting something for nothing, so for people have ethics, it should never be an attractive option.

well, except maybe if somehow an orphans life depends on it or something like that.

Different business models are emerging. You can get redbox for $1.3 a day and don't need to worry about watching it in two days. Others will emerge too.


American ethics. lol Paying taxes to fund nonstop war that kills millions every decade for the last 100 years = good. Downloading a publicly available song with out paying for it = bad. So keep your so called ethics. Pay record companies that try to monpolize the market, companies that stiffle new generes of music. Black list artists that don't toe the correct company line, and then offeres bullshiat like nickleback for sale at three times the going market rate.
Something for nothing is what life is all about music should be free. Showing up at a venue shouldn't. Buying a manufactored device to store music shouldn't be free. Free access to music only inspires people to create more music and better music. File sharing is not piracy. Taping the radio is not piracy, Burning a mixed cd is not piracy.
 
2012-01-15 11:38:34 AM  

epoc_tnac: HeartBurnKid: Honest Bender: This is why I abstain from voting.

Then STFU. You've got no reason to complain; you got the government you deserve.

Whereas all the people that actually voted for the government have the right to complain, even though they were the ones that enabled it to do these things in the first place?

I think you have it backwards.


I think you do. Why should anybody listen to you if you're not going to do anything about it?

Nobody said you had to vote for any of the guys in power. Vote for the other guy, vote third-party, write in somebody, whatever. Not voting at all is a tacit endorsement of whatever's going on.

You're not above the system. All you do by abstaining is ensure that you'll be below it.
 
2012-01-15 11:39:21 AM  

rebelyell2006: Rozotorical: Bullshiat, The only voice in our government we have as Americans are our pocket books. Public opinion means shiat.

Jared Lee Loughner had a voice in government, just not a type of voice that we like.


No he didn't He murdered people. No one in the government is listening to Jared Lee Loughner. He influenced no change that he wanted or asked for by insanely murdering a group of people.
 
2012-01-15 11:39:47 AM  
Here's an idea, why don't the RIAA, MPAA and other groups just work out a deal with the internet providers to create some sort of "free-zone" internet service where people who sign up for that service can pirate without punishment, but their monthly bills will be slightly higher with the increased payments going directly to the RIAA, MPAA and other groups with a dog in the fight? That would be cost effective for everybody.
 
2012-01-15 11:40:09 AM  

Honest Bender:

How? Explain the process to me.


Okay.

307,006,550 people live in America. In the 2000 election, 107,390,107 people voted. You could all decide to vote for the Jedi party and it would win.

Source for Turnout Number (new window)
Source for U.S Population (new window)
 
2012-01-15 11:40:37 AM  
Radiohead released an album on a "pay what you want" basis, made a ton of money. More than they'd have made from a record label selling the same number of albums. Trent Reznor released the raw recording tracks to one of his albums and let people mix it themselves, basically letting them play producer. Then he let them upload what they did to his website so everyone else could hear what they were doing, and so he could hear it cause well it was interesting and who knows what sorts of talented people are among his audience. Oh yeah he's also made a ton putting on music however he wants whenever he wants. Something no major label or eve small label would ever let him do these days. When John Coltrane signed to Impulse! records, his contract simply said he must record at least two albums a year. If he wanted to record four or ten and that was just fine. That was a record label doing it right. Oh and what he recorded was entirely up to Coltrane, the label had no say so as to that. They just wanted to Coltrane albums a year at the minimum to release. He ended up recording so much they never released it all while he was alive.
 
2012-01-15 11:41:49 AM  
I just paid $17.00 for my wife and I too see a movie.

This is where George Lucas lives.

www.qualitybath.com

The fact that ANYONE in government is seriously worried about a few people downloading pirated crap makes me very 'stabby'.

Keep raising the damn ticket prices and everyone will be pirating movies.
 
2012-01-15 11:43:06 AM  
RIAA and SOPA should DIAF.

But first, rip their testicles off.
 
2012-01-15 11:43:23 AM  

Honest Bender: HeartBurnKid: Honest Bender: HeartBurnKid: I get that you think the government sucks, but how does abdicating the one small measure of power you have to make them suck less do anything but make them suck more?

The only difference between you and me is that I don't buy into the illusion that we have that power.

We do, and if you and everybody else who says "I'm not voting because everybody sucks" exercised it, it might mean something.

How? Explain the process to me.


You see, in this country, offices are filled by elections. People vote, and the person with the most votes gets the office.

So let's say you have two candidates running: John Jackson and Jack Johnson. Let's say about 53% don't really like either one (look at the voter turnout numbers, that's not a highly unrealistic situation). This scenario can go either of two ways:

53% say "screw this noise, I'm not voting": John Jackson or Jack Johnson wins, business as usual
53% say "screw this noise, I'm voting for Bob Robertson instead": Bob Robertson wins, maybe things change.
 
2012-01-15 11:43:25 AM  

heypete: tenpoundsofcheese: You are NOT paying for the service you are using. What you are paying for does not allow access in Switzerland (probably due to whatever licensing fees Netflix would have to pay if they did that).

You an entitled, unethical POS.

I think you're confused. I'm a willing, paying customer. I opt to go through a bit of trouble and extra cost in order to pay for for the content that I'm viewing.

I could just pirate everything (and it's legal to do so here), but I opt to pay money for resources I use. How does that make me entitled?

I would love for Netflix (or some other company) to offer comparable service in Switzerland so I don't have to jump through all these hoops, but nobody has yet. I'd happily pay a bit more money in licensing fees if that's what it took.

Maybe if the RIAA, et al. got their collective heads out of their asses, they might realize that if they actually offer to sell people things, people will buy their things. Instead, they continue to not offer their products in many global markets and complain how nobody is buying their stuff.

Commerce is a two-way street: you need a buyer and a seller to agree upon mutually agreeable terms. There's a lot of people out there who are actively wanting to buy the products being offered, but cannot. It's no surprise that some turn to piracy.


Exactly. Again, I WANT to give companies my money. I'm frivolous, and I like media. Give me reasonably priced options, and I'm in. Sadly, buying the episodes through Xbox, Sony or Amazon cost as much, if not more, than the DVD's. Pricing tells me they don't want me to do it that way.
 
2012-01-15 11:43:33 AM  

Rozotorical: rebelyell2006: Rozotorical: Bullshiat, The only voice in our government we have as Americans are our pocket books. Public opinion means shiat.

Jared Lee Loughner had a voice in government, just not a type of voice that we like.

No he didn't He murdered people. No one in the government is listening to Jared Lee Loughner. He influenced no change that he wanted or asked for by insanely murdering a group of people.


He got Gabrielle Giffords to stop voting in Congress for a while. He influenced her voting patterns. The end result isn't much different from a lobbyist influencing voting patterns with a check.
 
2012-01-15 11:46:36 AM  
If the recording industry wants to keep relevancy, they need to try offering something other than easily pirated material.

Some smart companies have started offering goodies along with the CD or DVD in question, sometimes exclusive books, clothing, trinkets, coupons for concert tickets. Things you can't get through an internet connection..
 
2012-01-15 11:47:33 AM  

Rozotorical: rebelyell2006: Rozotorical: Bullshiat, The only voice in our government we have as Americans are our pocket books. Public opinion means shiat.

Jared Lee Loughner had a voice in government, just not a type of voice that we like.

No he didn't He murdered people. No one in the government is listening to Jared Lee Loughner. He influenced no change that he wanted or asked for by insanely murdering a group of people.


Fair enough. How about Ruby Ridge, or Waco? Their deaths resulted in change in the way government investigates crimes.

People who die of drug overdoses are gradually changing the way many governments handle drug addiction, as in treatment rather than enforcement.

One can also say Davy Crockett still had a voice in government after leaving Congress, even though he wanted nothing to do with the US government. He met up with a bunch of other Americans in Northern Mexico, formed an illegal army, and helped create a new nation.
 
2012-01-15 11:48:06 AM  

HeartBurnKid: Honest Bender: HeartBurnKid: I get that you think the government sucks, but how does abdicating the one small measure of power you have to make them suck less do anything but make them suck more?

The only difference between you and me is that I don't buy into the illusion that we have that power.

We do, and if you and everybody else who says "I'm not voting because everybody sucks" exercised it, it might mean something.


www.stevenhumour.com
If he really believed what he was saying, then he wouldn't even be here. If resistance is futile, as he claims, then what's the point of the argument?

1. Click ignore.
2. Go on with your life.
3. Profit!

/PSA
 
2012-01-15 11:48:28 AM  

safeinsane: /been an argument since...forever


Yah. Damn those player-piano manufacturers and their fancy gadgets! They're cutting into our sheet-music sales!

/unfortunately, that actually was the argument at the time...
 
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