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Detained at Guatanamo: An innocent man recounts his painful and perplexing stint at Guantanamo. Here come the excuses
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kvinesknows
2012-01-15 12:21:30 AM
what a liar
"the pain was unbearable"
well obviously it was bearable as you are still alive. If you are going to lie about such a tiny detail, what else in your storey is a lie?
Relatively Obscure
2012-01-15 12:32:18 AM
kvinesknows
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what a liar
"the pain was unbearable"
well obviously it was bearable as you are still alive. If you are going to lie about such a tiny detail, what else in your storey is a lie?
Lulz. Nice start.
Weaver95
2012-01-15 01:12:48 AM
eventually, we're going to start doing this to our next door neighbors.
Bucky Katt
2012-01-15 01:22:44 AM
Weaver95
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eventually, we're going to start doing this to our next door neighbors.
How do you know we aren't already?
Weaver95
2012-01-15 01:26:56 AM
Bucky Katt
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Weaver95: eventually, we're going to start doing this to our next door neighbors.
How do you know we aren't already?
Because I haven't been black bagged yet.
violentsalvation
2012-01-15 02:41:00 AM
Weaver95
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eventually, we're going to start doing this to our next door neighbors.
Easier to send Calderón guns and helicopters and let him instigate the beheadings.
edmo
2012-01-15 09:28:17 AM
What is it we're fighting for again? Freedom, right?
Whose exactly?
Mugato
2012-01-15 09:39:52 AM
fark you Buah, for starting this and fark you Obama, for not ending it.
PacManDreaming
2012-01-15 10:05:45 AM
If he was
really
innocent, then he wouldn't have been in Guantanomo, now would he?
9beers
2012-01-15 10:22:56 AM
War is hell.
Weaver95
2012-01-15 10:25:39 AM
9beers
:
War is hell.
how would you know?
Hetfield
2012-01-15 10:26:31 AM
Thanks for making the world a better place, Republicans! You guys rock!
Molavian
2012-01-15 10:27:02 AM
Weaver95
:
9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
He read the book?
9beers
2012-01-15 10:28:03 AM
Weaver95
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9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
clipperbox
2012-01-15 10:28:58 AM
Weaver95
:
Bucky Katt: Weaver95: eventually, we're going to start doing this to our next door neighbors.
How do you know we aren't already?
Because I haven't been black bagged yet.
They're called Arabian Goggles where I come from (or to).
Weaver95
2012-01-15 10:29:31 AM
9beers
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Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
US navy vet here. fleet air recon in fact. And you?
markfara
2012-01-15 10:29:58 AM
Hetfield
:
Thanks for making the world a better place, Republicans! You guys rock!
Fartbama!
/Ha! Guess I told
you
!
Mugato
2012-01-15 10:30:36 AM
9beers
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War is hell.
We're at war with Germany again?
9beers
2012-01-15 10:31:58 AM
Weaver95
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9beers: Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
US navy vet here. fleet air recon in fact. And you?
Sorry, don't believe you.
machodonkeywrestler
2012-01-15 10:32:27 AM
Mugato
9beers: War is hell.
We're at war with Germany again?
We've always been at war with eastasia.
Weaver95
2012-01-15 10:33:04 AM
9beers
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Weaver95: 9beers: Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
US navy vet here. fleet air recon in fact. And you?
Sorry, don't believe you.
then that's your problem, not mine. so - where did you serve? what branch of the service? what unit?
Gdalescrboz
2012-01-15 10:33:59 AM
9beers SmartestFunniest 2012-01-15 10:28:03 AM
Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
In the time I've been in the service I have never heard anyone say "war is hell." It raises a red flag to me when someone says that and claims they are in the service. It's kind of like someone at the bar talking about how many people he killed while deployed, some things are just left unsaid....just saying.
machodonkeywrestler
2012-01-15 10:34:06 AM
9beers
Weaver95: 9beers: Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
US navy vet here. fleet air recon in fact. And you?
Sorry, don't believe you.
A true soldier would respect the service of his comrade in arms until their service was proven false.
Eddie Adams from Torrance
2012-01-15 10:36:14 AM
Allegedly innocent.
Hetfield
2012-01-15 10:36:43 AM
markfara
:
Hetfield: Thanks for making the world a better place, Republicans! You guys rock!
Fartbama!
/Ha! Guess I told you!
I'm not feeling it.
sobernutz
2012-01-15 10:38:53 AM
9beers was in the core
cantsleep
2012-01-15 10:39:20 AM
Well what would you
expect
a dangerous, well trained terrorist to write?
Need to keep an eye on this guy.
SharkTrager
2012-01-15 10:40:04 AM
markfara
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Hetfield: Thanks for making the world a better place, Republicans! You guys rock!
Fartbama!
/Ha! Guess I told you!
I know you're kidding, but it says a lot about our whole system that the party in the White House changed and yet nothing seems to be changing at Guantanamo.
GoodHomer
2012-01-15 10:41:27 AM
sobernutz
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9beers was in the core
Damn. Beat me to it.
JackalRabbit
2012-01-15 10:41:57 AM
Weaver95
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Bucky Katt: Weaver95: eventually, we're going to start doing this to our next door neighbors.
How do you know we aren't already?
Because I haven't been black bagged yet.
am callin you in right now
mark12A
2012-01-15 10:42:06 AM
Because he's ABSOLUTELY telling the WHOLE truth. 'Cause he says so.
Some of the elders in my town suggested that I travel to Pakistan to study the Qur'an with a religious group there.
I made my plans just before 9/11. I was 19 then and was naive and did not think war in Afghanistan would have anything to do with Pakistan or my trip there.
I was in Pakistan, on a public bus on my way to the airport to return to Germany when the police stopped the bus.
'Cause NOBODY has ever traveled to Pakistan, been trained, and returned to the west to commit terrorist acts. NOBODY.
FARK HIM. I ain't losing a second of sleep over this guy. None.
Emposter
2012-01-15 10:42:09 AM
Well this thread is fun. US policy is indefensible, so instead troll/strawman/insult like mad.
This thread is definitely going places.
sobernutz
2012-01-15 10:42:20 AM
GoodHomer
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sobernutz: 9beers was in the core
Damn. Beat me to it.
First thing I thought of when I saw it.
2wolves
2012-01-15 10:42:23 AM
DD-214 fight!
tillerman35
2012-01-15 10:43:18 AM
First of all, I'm as disgusted that GitMo ever existed as the next guy (as long as the next guy isn't Dick Cheney). Second of all, I'm not a doctor.
That stated, wouldn't hanging by the hands result in positional asphyxia? I remember seeing a television program about Christ's crucifixion. There was a doctor who said that victims of crucifixion would have difficulty breathing due to their diaphragm being unable to move in the proper way. I realize that being hanged from the ceiling by one's hands is not the exact same position, but I think it would have a similar effect on the diaphragm.
Any physicians out there care to comment? Could a man be hung from the ceiling by manacled wrists for days and survive? Or is this guy's story (at least this part of it) a lie?
Coffee Snob
2012-01-15 10:43:57 AM
9beers
:
Weaver95: 9beers: Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
US navy vet here. fleet air recon in fact. And you?
Sorry, don't believe you.
Wife-like typing detected.
That you FlyNavy?
2wolves
2012-01-15 10:44:39 AM
mark12A
:
FARK HIM. I ain't losing a second of sleep over this guy. None.
You're missing a very large number of points but I'll start with a simple one: This isn't about one guy except to illustrate how the Rule of Law has been eroded.
This has been your one free clue for 15 January, 2012.
Go back to being a hater.
MNguy
2012-01-15 10:44:53 AM
sobernutz
:
GoodHomer: sobernutz: 9beers was in the core
Damn. Beat me to it.
First thing I thought of when I saw it.
Flynavy-like typing detected.
CitizensUnited
2012-01-15 10:45:59 AM
It's better one "innocent" man vacation at Club Gitmo, then 1,000 guilty go free.
Mugato
2012-01-15 10:46:38 AM
So calling this guy a liar is what, some sort of defense mechanism from admitting that our country was/is doing some farked up shiat around the world?
Dughan
2012-01-15 10:46:57 AM
Gdalescrboz
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9beers SmartestFunniest 2012-01-15 10:28:03 AM
Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
In the time I've been in the service I have never heard anyone say "war is hell." It raises a red flag to me when someone says that and claims they are in the service. It's kind of like someone at the bar talking about how many people he killed while deployed, some things are just left unsaid....just saying.
I've got a buddy who JUST got out of the Army (infantry) and has his "spiderweb" and "skulls" tattoos... and he wont STFU about how he killed this person and that person. Seriously, it's starting to piss me off how much he brags about it. Do you know of any easy and effective way to shut someone like that down, short of just totally ignoring him when he does?
JackalRabbit
2012-01-15 10:47:47 AM
CitizensUnited
:
It's better one "innocent" man vacation at Club Gitmo, then 1,000 guilty go free.
who here is truely innocent? Who? I ask you, who?
Weaver95
2012-01-15 10:47:52 AM
Mugato
:
So calling this guy a liar is what, some sort of defense mechanism from admitting that our country was/is doing some farked up shiat around the world?
basically, yes. denial is merely one of the stages of grief.
sobernutz
2012-01-15 10:48:38 AM
Dughan
:
Gdalescrboz: 9beers SmartestFunniest 2012-01-15 10:28:03 AM
Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
In the time I've been in the service I have never heard anyone say "war is hell." It raises a red flag to me when someone says that and claims they are in the service. It's kind of like someone at the bar talking about how many people he killed while deployed, some things are just left unsaid....just saying.
I've got a buddy who JUST got out of the Army (infantry) and has his "spiderweb" and "skulls" tattoos... and he wont STFU about how he killed this person and that person. Seriously, it's starting to piss me off how much he brags about it. Do you know of any easy and effective way to shut someone like that down, short of just totally ignoring him when he does?
StreetlightInTheGhetto
2012-01-15 10:49:47 AM
If you support the kafkaesque nightmare that Gitmo is, if you can defend torture (knowing - we know this -
that people tortured do not provide any better intel than people who aren't,
and often will just say anything - true or not - to get it to stop) -
- then I'm sorry for you. Because I sure as hell can't understand you.
Mugato
2012-01-15 10:50:43 AM
Dughan
:
I've got a buddy who JUST got out of the Army (infantry) and has his "spiderweb" and "skulls" tattoos... and he wont STFU about how he killed this person and that person. Seriously, it's starting to piss me off how much he brags about it. Do you know of any easy and effective way to shut someone like that down, short of just totally ignoring him when he does?
He's probably going through some bizarre form of PTSD. I know guys who have served and have seen action (just to clarify I HAVEN'T) and none of them open their mouths about it at all and I know better than to ask.
PrivateCaboose
2012-01-15 10:50:48 AM
Dughan
:
Gdalescrboz: 9beers SmartestFunniest 2012-01-15 10:28:03 AM
Weaver95: 9beers: War is hell.
how would you know?
Because unlike you, I served.
In the time I've been in the service I have never heard anyone say "war is hell." It raises a red flag to me when someone says that and claims they are in the service. It's kind of like someone at the bar talking about how many people he killed while deployed, some things are just left unsaid....just saying.
I've got a buddy who JUST got out of the Army (infantry) and has his "spiderweb" and "skulls" tattoos... and he wont STFU about how he killed this person and that person. Seriously, it's starting to piss me off how much he brags about it. Do you know of any easy and effective way to shut someone like that down, short of just totally ignoring him when he does?
Ask him if he still needs the rush of killing people since he obviously still can't get laid.
Farking Canuck
2012-01-15 10:52:26 AM
CitizensUnited
:
It's better one "innocent" man vacation at Club Gitmo, then 1,000 guilty go free.
That is the coward's point of view. The USA used to stand for the opposite of that.
He who sacrifices freedom for security deserves neither.
- Benjamin Franklin (most likely paraphrased)
Irving Maimway
2012-01-15 10:54:08 AM
2wolves
:
DD-214 fight!
I can post pics of my veteran license plates, is that good enough?
//never heard a shot fired in anger
//got lit up by North Korean radar tho, that was cool
StreetlightInTheGhetto
2012-01-15 10:54:47 AM
Mugato
:
Dughan: I've got a buddy who JUST got out of the Army (infantry) and has his "spiderweb" and "skulls" tattoos... and he wont STFU about how he killed this person and that person. Seriously, it's starting to piss me off how much he brags about it. Do you know of any easy and effective way to shut someone like that down, short of just totally ignoring him when he does?
He's probably going through some bizarre form of PTSD. I know guys who have served and have seen action (just to clarify I HAVEN'T) and none of them open their mouths about it at all and I know better than to ask.
Yup.
My ex served, and while I heard funny/quirky stories from time to time there was exactly once he was drunk enough and in the mood to tell some of the darker stories - and even those had a very effing black humor to them (and oh did we feel damn guilty for laughing at a few, but that's why he told 'em), so I knew there were some that were just going to remain untold. That's how it goes.
Then again, people react differently. Maybe someone needs to brag about it to convince themselves it was the right - nay, best - thing to do. I don't pretend to know.
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