Obama in private: Please bundle this with a "must pass" appropriations bill so I don't have to make a hard decision.

ZAZ: Obama in private: Please bundle this with a "must pass" appropriations bill so I don't have to make a hard decision.

He could be a lot more decisive. Of course, if he came out against it, every member of the GOP would automatically be for it, so maybe it's good he's waffling.

I'm shocked. *eye roll*

Maybe I'm having reading issues today, but I didn't get subby's headline in the least from the White House statement. In fact, that's a reasonably positive article about SOPA from my perspective. Yes, they'll probably do something ham-fisted and extreme at some point, but what parts of that story suggest that the President is pro-SOPA, other than the fact that the statement identifies foreign piracy as A Bad Thing?

dahmers love zombie: Maybe I'm having reading issues today, but I didn't get subby's headline in the least from the White House statement. In fact, that's a reasonably positive article about SOPA from my perspective. Yes, they'll probably do something ham-fisted and extreme at some point, but what parts of that story suggest that the President is pro-SOPA, other than the fact that the statement identifies foreign piracy as A Bad Thing?

Headline and article dont match?

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The ISP provision in SOPA allows the U.S. Department of Justice to seek court orders requiring service providers to block subscriber access to foreign sites accused by the DOJ of copyright infringement. That provision would be removed, but remaining in the bill would be provisions allowing the DOJ to seek court orders requiring search engines to remove links to sites accused of infringement and requiring online advertising networks and payment processors to stop doing business with the accused sites.

I'm actually okay with that. That's easy to get around. Look for more pirate search engines popping up in other countries without such law.

Arent there better ways to stop piracy? Like diplomacy with foreign countries and trade sanctions and stuff?

hmm......the government will determine you visit bad internet sites and then they will lock you up indefinitely. if you agree with this, thank a democrat

smooshie: make me some tea: I'm actually okay with that. That's easy to get around. Look for more pirate search engines popping up in other countries without such law.

I'm not. It'd be a tad better if it said "found guilty of infringement", but I don't like the idea of Digg accusing Fark of infringing copyright (or Viacom accusing YouTube, as happened before they were smacked down in court), and Fark getting all its ad money and PayPal support pulled, as well as Google not being allowed to link to it. The MPAA/RIAA aren't particularly gun-shy when it comes to accusing sites of piracy.

I can see even that part of it as ultimately legislation destined to fail, but at least it requires review by a court to enforce.

Yep, change.

/and yet look at the retards running against him

EnviroDude: hmm......the government will determine you visit bad internet sites and then they will lock you up indefinitely. if you agree with this, thank a democrat

Actually a lot of prominent Democrats are pushing for SOPA/PIPA, and a number of Tea Partiers are against it. Here's an easy way to follow the money. Check out Harry Reid's bag of loot he got from the entertainment industry. Link (new window)

vernonFL: Arent there better ways to stop piracy? Like diplomacy with foreign countries and trade sanctions and stuff?

well, actually you can't ever stop 'piracy', but the industry could significantly reduce its effects and negative impact by changing their business model(s) and keeping pace with new technologies and distribution methods.

which RIAA and the MPAA will never do, because f*ck you, that's why.

make me some tea: EnviroDude: hmm......the government will determine you visit bad internet sites and then they will lock you up indefinitely. if you agree with this, thank a democrat

Actually a lot of prominent Democrats are pushing for SOPA/PIPA, and a number of Tea Partiers are against it. Here's an easy way to follow the money. Check out Harry Reid's bag of loot he got from the entertainment industry. Link (new window)

Oh I take that back, Reid is no longer listed on there. Hmm, verrry interesting. I'm guessing that our pushback has had some effect? :)

make me some tea: make me some tea: EnviroDude: hmm......the government will determine you visit bad internet sites and then they will lock you up indefinitely. if you agree with this, thank a democrat

Actually a lot of prominent Democrats are pushing for SOPA/PIPA, and a number of Tea Partiers are against it. Here's an easy way to follow the money. Check out Harry Reid's bag of loot he got from the entertainment industry. Link (new window)

Oh I take that back, Reid is no longer listed on there. Hmm, verrry interesting. I'm guessing that our pushback has had some effect? :)

SOPA/PIPA isn't being discussed on the news much (if at all), it's actually been more interesting to watch the news blackout than it would have been to see a discussion on the legislation by the 'meet the press' crowd.

that said - I think the bill will pass on some form or other. the less palatable bits will probably get taken out and then quietly slipped into random legislation over the next two years.

and while we're on the subject of copyright infringement...why the hell is/was the Dept of homeland security involved in shutting down bit torrent tracker sites earlier last year? homeland security and RIAA? WTF man. seriously.

Weaver95: vernonFL: Arent there better ways to stop piracy? Like diplomacy with foreign countries and trade sanctions and stuff?

well, actually you can't ever stop 'piracy', but the industry could significantly reduce its effects and negative impact by changing their business model(s) and keeping pace with new technologies and distribution methods.

which RIAA and the MPAA will never do, because f*ck you, that's why.

Indeed, Netflix practically eliminated my desire to go out and find questionable torrents of various movies and TV shows. They made it cost effective and simple to get a hold of content.

make me some tea: Weaver95: vernonFL: Arent there better ways to stop piracy? Like diplomacy with foreign countries and trade sanctions and stuff?

well, actually you can't ever stop 'piracy', but the industry could significantly reduce its effects and negative impact by changing their business model(s) and keeping pace with new technologies and distribution methods.

which RIAA and the MPAA will never do, because f*ck you, that's why.

Indeed, Netflix practically eliminated my desire to go out and find questionable torrents of various movies and TV shows. They made it cost effective and simple to get a hold of content.

Likewise with gamers and Steam. I dont like going outside of my moms basement except to get cookies and mountain dew, so I am thrilled that I can actually buy games and download them that day.

make me some tea: Actually a lot of prominent Democrats are pushing for SOPA/PIPA, and a number of Tea Partiers are against it.

I never thought there would come a day when I'd think Bachmann is right and Franken is wrong on an issue.

make me some tea: Indeed, Netflix practically eliminated my desire to go out and find questionable torrents of various movies and TV shows. They made it cost effective and simple to get a hold of content.

Hulu and Netflix replaced my cable and TV/Movie torrenting while Google Music replaced my music torrenting.

smooshie: make me some tea: Indeed, Netflix practically eliminated my desire to go out and find questionable torrents of various movies and TV shows. They made it cost effective and simple to get a hold of content.

Same with music. Used to download a lot through Limewire and such, but between YouTube, Grooveshark, and free legal downloads, I don't do much of any music pirating. Naturally, the copyright cops hate all three and want them to die a fiery death.

yup. the brick and mortar store distribution method is what RIAA wants to maintain...but between itunes, nexflix, and steam (for games and whatnot) we don't NEED a store, we just need a fast and reliable net connection.

I really think that half the reason RIAA and the MPAA are screaming bloody murder over piracy is because 1. they have a weird control fetish when it comes to content and 2. they can't screw over their customers as easily with newer technologies (downloads are always going to be cheaper).

mostly tho - I think this is about money. they can fudge the numbers on physical inventory and cook the books easier than they can with download copies of their material.

Weaver95: SOPA/PIPA isn't being discussed on the news much (if at all), it's actually been more interesting to watch the news blackout than it would have been to see a discussion on the legislation by the 'meet the press' crowd.

Something something Americans something something common clay of the new West something something morons.

and while we're on the subject of copyright infringement...why the hell is/was the Dept of homeland security involved in shutting down bit torrent tracker sites earlier last year? homeland security and RIAA? WTF man. seriously.

Well, you see...when a politician and a lobbyist love each other very much, sometimes they lie very close together and the lobbyist inserts his money into the politician. Then later when the politician goes to the bathroom, an unholy union of completely unchecked police power and corporate greed pops out. And that's how what you described is made.

germ78: make me some tea: The ISP provision in SOPA allows the U.S. Department of Justice to seek court orders requiring service providers to block subscriber access to foreign sites accused by the DOJ of copyright infringement. That provision would be removed, but remaining in the bill would be provisions allowing the DOJ to seek court orders requiring search engines to remove links to sites accused of infringement and requiring online advertising networks and payment processors to stop doing business with the accused sites.

I'm actually okay with that. That's easy to get around. Look for more pirate search engines popping up in other countries without such law.

I wonder if the domain "pira.te" is available?

Hey, wasn't there a TLD sale for any name you want? I wonder if the tubes can get together and donate enough money to The Pirate Bay that they could just farking buy ".pirate"?

Outrageous Muff: EnviroDude: hmm......the government will determine you visit bad internet sites and then they will lock you up indefinitely. if you agree with this, thank a democrat

So you're saying a bill in Congress, authored by a Republican, was secretly created by Obama. Therefore Obama controls the Congress and the Republican party?

well...Obama DID find the One Ring to bring them all and in the darkness bind them.

The people that wrote this law are the same people who think the internet is a series of tubes.

cman: Likewise with gamers and Steam. I dont like going outside of my moms basement except to get cookies and mountain dew, so I am thrilled that I can actually buy games and download them that day.

Yup. Throw in the steam sales, and I am one happy nerd. Of course I didn't ever pirate anyway because I wanted them to keep making games, but it does make it much easier.

vernonFL: The people that wrote this law are the same people who think the internet is a series of tubes.

not to mention we've got a 19th century legal system trying to ride herd on 21st century technology.

RIAA can make file trading a death penalty offense and people will STILL do it every damn day.

gamergirl23: cman: Likewise with gamers and Steam. I dont like going outside of my moms basement except to get cookies and mountain dew, so I am thrilled that I can actually buy games and download them that day.

Yup. Throw in the steam sales, and I am one happy nerd. Of course I didn't ever pirate anyway because I wanted them to keep making games, but it does make it much easier.

if you can configure a linux web server imma find you and marry you.

Weaver95: gamergirl23: cman: Likewise with gamers and Steam. I dont like going outside of my moms basement except to get cookies and mountain dew, so I am thrilled that I can actually buy games and download them that day.

Yup. Throw in the steam sales, and I am one happy nerd. Of course I didn't ever pirate anyway because I wanted them to keep making games, but it does make it much easier.

if you can configure a linux web server imma find you and marry you.

I'm using ubuntu right now, and there's almost never anything I can't figure out fairly quickly.

gamergirl23: Weaver95: gamergirl23: cman: Likewise with gamers and Steam. I dont like going outside of my moms basement except to get cookies and mountain dew, so I am thrilled that I can actually buy games and download them that day.

Yup. Throw in the steam sales, and I am one happy nerd. Of course I didn't ever pirate anyway because I wanted them to keep making games, but it does make it much easier.

if you can configure a linux web server imma find you and marry you.

I'm using ubuntu right now, and there's almost never anything I can't figure out fairly quickly.

Ubuntu? And I was just starting to like you...

It's an old laptop, not my windows desktop, or the htpc I built. I don't game on it. And the new ubuntu is pretty awesome. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do.

This is all Shawn Fanning's fault.

gamergirl23: It's an old laptop, not my windows desktop, or the htpc I built. I don't game on it. And the new ubuntu is pretty awesome. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do.

I have tried it.

Unity is a farking disgrace to mankind.

cman: gamergirl23: It's an old laptop, not my windows desktop, or the htpc I built. I don't game on it. And the new ubuntu is pretty awesome. If you haven't tried it, I suggest you do.

I have tried it.

Unity is a farking disgrace to mankind.

Ubuntu One? I haven't bothered trying that yet.

Ah. I never pay attention to the name of it. I just figured it was something dumb like zipping zebra.

gamergirl23: Weaver95: gamergirl23: cman: Likewise with gamers and Steam. I dont like going outside of my moms basement except to get cookies and mountain dew, so I am thrilled that I can actually buy games and download them that day.

Yup. Throw in the steam sales, and I am one happy nerd. Of course I didn't ever pirate anyway because I wanted them to keep making games, but it does make it much easier.

if you can configure a linux web server imma find you and marry you.

I'm using ubuntu right now, and there's almost never anything I can't figure out fairly quickly.

talk nerdy to me baby...

Weaver95: gamergirl23: Weaver95: gamergirl23: cman: Likewise with gamers and Steam. I dont like going outside of my moms basement except to get cookies and mountain dew, so I am thrilled that I can actually buy games and download them that day.

Yup. Throw in the steam sales, and I am one happy nerd. Of course I didn't ever pirate anyway because I wanted them to keep making games, but it does make it much easier.

if you can configure a linux web server imma find you and marry you.

I'm using ubuntu right now, and there's almost never anything I can't figure out fairly quickly.

talk nerdy to me baby...

Dude, thats an Ubuntu girl. Thats freakin nasty

Okay, so pressure has been having an effect. Keeping up the pressure is necessary.

(But, then again, I actually RTFA)

cman: Dude, thats an Ubuntu girl. Thats freakin nasty

Technically I'm an OSlut since I have windows and android machines as well.