edmo: You know you're old when you read these "wow, I can't believe they're all in one place" puff pieces and they're writing about the actors that came four decades after the original, which you actually watched back in the day.

I'm in my 20s and I also assumed they meant the original crew. Dammit.

Is this the thead where people whine about lens flares?

Tyrosine: Is this the thead where people whine about lens flares?

*pant pant* Sorry I'm late..*pant pant*..Lens flares and all that.

/Didn't see the first one, but I can't wait to see Sherlock as the bad guy in the new one.

GAT_00: Confabulat: Cool they're bringing Captain Pike back. He did get a pretty raw deal in TOS so he's probably pretty happy in the parallel universe. But wait, now he can't live forever with the cute chick in the illusion universe? Dammit.

There's no reason not to. Make him an Admiral. Besides, it will really piss off the Abrams haters, and I'm OK with that.

He has to be an admiral or commadore or 'fleet captain" (like in TOS), unless they're going to walk back that whole Kirk goes from cadet to captain in the blink of an eye deal.

Best guess, admiral that gives out the mission order to Kirk, setting up the story.

Mugato: I was surprisingly impressed with Star Trek. I mean it's the very definition of the unnecessary remake but once you get past that, it's pretty good. But what is it about Abrams' puss that just makes be one to belt him one? If I ever see him, I hope he's carrying textbooks so I can dump them.

...and it's been said a million times but ease up on the lens flares. The bridge has a beautiful design but you can hardly see it.

Except for the engineering brewery, the overall ship interiors were pretty good. You're not gonna match something like Battlestar Galactica for a vision of practical, gritty looking sets. Those looked very much like actual, working vessels. Most of the Star Trek sets(aside from DS9) seemed too cushy. But when one wasn't blinded by lenseflare, the new Star Trek interiors were pretty good, too. The Apple Store look of the bridge took some getting used to, but certainly no worse than Picard's lounge bridge on the Enterprise D.

Peter Weller's in it, so maybe there's Terra Prime in it.

Set phasers to Beastie Boys.

Giacchino really needs to step it up on the score this time around, he really phoned it in in Trek 09.

Doran: I'm in my 20s and I also assumed they meant the original crew. Dammit.

Yep.

Your_Huckleberry:
...and it's been said a million times but ease up on the lens flares. The bridge has a beautiful design but you can hardly see it.

Except for the engineering brewery, the overall ship interiors were pretty good. You're not gonna match something like Battlestar Galactica for a vision of practical, gritty looking sets. Those looked very much like actual, working vessels. Most of the Star Trek sets(aside from DS9) seemed too cushy. But when one wasn't blinded by lenseflare, the new Star Trek interiors were pretty good, too. The Apple Store look of the bridge took some getting used to, but certainly no worse than Picard's lounge bridge on the Enterprise D.

Yeah, word was Anheuser-Busch donated their factory as a set, for a mention in the bar scene. Already cutting it close to going over budget, they decided to location shoot engineering than go with the set + CGI they imagined. Too bad, as it was pretty damn sexy:

http://i821.photobucket.com/albums/zz135/lucasisking/800px-USS_Enterp r ise_engineering_concept_2.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/en/images/7/7a/USS_Ente r prise_engineering_concept_1.jpg

Sony lot? This is my unhappy face.

What's wrong with the lens flares? They weren't obtrusive at all...



See?

FTA: Damon Lindelof: I hope to God we don't screw it up.

Well, asshole, you're involved with the new Star Trek, so there's a good chance you will screw it up.

/LOST fanatic
//Still bitter about seasons 5 & 6
///Bitter like 4 day old coffee

Mugato: Erik_Emune: Sony lot? This is my unhappy face.

Strange, since there was Nokia product placement in the film, even played the Nokia ring tone. That's right, product placement is so shameless, it's crept into Star Trek.

Yeah, well - studios are whores, they'll rent to whoever shows up with cash. I'd just hoped that a Paramount tentpole like Star Trek would do the primary shooting on the Paramount lot.

/Works for Paramount.
//Likes a movie lot to be a lot where movies are made, not a landscape of office buildings.

I understand the objections most people have with this film but those eager to cry out that the JJ star trek film was the "WORST STAR TREK MOVIE EVAR!" loses me completely or its someone who has not watched a lot of bad star trek.

/row row row your boat

Henry Holland: FTA: Damon Lindelof: I hope to God we don't screw it up.

Well, asshole, you're involved with the new Star Trek, so there's a good chance you will screw it up.

/LOST fanatic
//Still bitter about seasons 5 & 6
///Bitter like 4 day old coffee

Ah, there it is. There's no hate like Trekkie hate.

/ Love JJ Trek
// *And* non-JJ Trek
/// It's possible!

Here's hoping that this film is a Star Trek film and not a sequel to Contemporary Action Film NX-01^TM (a registered trademark of Moviebot Industries).

GAT_00: Mugato: GAT_00: Yeah, Abrams is going to have to work very hard to top the fail that was Final Frontier or Insurrection.

Actually, for me it's a tie between Nemesis and Generations. Nemesis was just a terrible attempt to remake Khan and Generations had plot holes you could drive a Dyson Sphere through. All of the TNG movies sucked in their own way, First Contact being closest to good.

Really? Generations was one of the worst?

Generations and Insurrection both felt like extended TNG episodes. First Contact was terrific, to the point of my willingness to use it as an example of how good the TNG cast can really be. Now, Nemesis? I hate it. It's not that it's a horrible movie. No, it just pisses me off. The Romulans are awesome bad guys; we rarely (relatively speaking) get a story with them involved. Finally, Nemesis comes along promising Romulans and what happens? A story that would've made bad *fan-fiction*?

That said, 1 of 4 movies being "good" isn't a track record to brag about. Police Academy had better luck.

/ I'm almost happy JJ Abrams rebooted, even if it's an alternate universe
// Maybe better writers live there.

Mugato: GAT_00: Really? Generations was one of the worst?

Absolutely. The writing was horrible, none of it made any sense. Say what you want about Trek 5, at least it had internal logic. Generations was just riddled with plot holes you couldn't ignore.

Those plot holes are pretty bad, granted. But that damn 24th century dune buggy is a whole bunch of Galaxy Class Suck that's hard to stomach.

xsarien: GAT_00: Mugato: GAT_00: Yeah, Abrams is going to have to work very hard to top the fail that was Final Frontier or Insurrection.

Actually, for me it's a tie between Nemesis and Generations. Nemesis was just a terrible attempt to remake Khan and Generations had plot holes you could drive a Dyson Sphere through. All of the TNG movies sucked in their own way, First Contact being closest to good.

Really? Generations was one of the worst?

Generations and Insurrection both felt like extended TNG episodes. First Contact was terrific, to the point of my willingness to use it as an example of how good the TNG cast can really be. Now, Nemesis? I hate it. It's not that it's a horrible movie. No, it just pisses me off. The Romulans are awesome bad guys; we rarely (relatively speaking) get a story with them involved. Finally, Nemesis comes along promising Romulans and what happens? A story that would've made bad *fan-fiction*?

That said, 1 of 4 movies being "good" isn't a track record to brag about. Police Academy had better luck.

/ I'm almost happy JJ Abrams rebooted, even if it's an alternate universe
// Maybe better writers live there.

I personally think Insurrection is a bit on the underrated side. Not a good movie, but not as terrible as made out. One of the problems with the TNG movies was that there often wasn't enough for all the characters to do and several of the characters didn't act they way they did in the long series itself. Picard, first and formost, is like a different guy in the movies from the series, while Crusher and LaForge are hardly more than guest stars. But aside from the shuttle chase sing along, Data as a floatation device and Riker breaking out the joystick on the Enterprise, I didn't think Insurrection was that terrible.If I were to have a list of the worst things ever in all of Star Trek, I doubt anything from that movie makes it, though there is certainly nothing really great about it either. It's just there.

Confabulat: Cool they're bringing Captain Pike back. He did get a pretty raw deal in TOS so he's probably pretty happy in the parallel universe. But wait, now he can't live forever with the cute chick in the illusion universe? Dammit.

I have to admit I was surprised to read that. I think that's awesome.

And I know it's not popular to say on Fark, but I farking loved the reboot.

TyrantII: Giacchino really needs to step it up on the score this time around, he really phoned it in in Trek 09.

You shut your whore mouth!
Giacchino is a music GOD!
Lost
Incredibles
He is the MAN!
I actually listen to more of his stuff than John Williams anymore.

Mugato: GAT_00: It didn't have any worse plot holes than other movies.

Sure it did. Soren wants to get into the Nexus that he got into once by getting caught into it with a ship but doesn't want to try that again for whatever reason so he destroys a star with a gas powered rocket that destroys the star a second after it's launched (fast rocket). So he and PIcard are in the Nexus and Picard is free to go anywhere at any time he wants. Does he go to when he first meets Soren and throw him in the brig? No, he goes to 5 minutes before the rocket is launched and drags Kirk with him. And it just goes on from there.



You bring up some really good points. Are you in my brain? Hold on a minute; I have to take my pizza rolls out of the toaster oven. You want one?

Mugato: gimmegimme: You bring up some really good points. Are you in my brain? Hold on a minute; I have to take my pizza rolls out of the toaster oven. You want one?

What the hell is that?

That's Mr. Plinkett. He likes to make long review videos about movies, usually sequels that didn't live up to their potential.

Link (new window)

Mugato: Your_Huckleberry: Those plot holes are pretty bad, granted. But that damn 24th century dune buggy is a whole bunch of Galaxy Class Suck that's hard to stomach.

Or yet another Data that is just happened upon by Picard's clone, of all people. When Spock died it was emotional because there wasn't a "spare". Sure he'd be reborn in the next film but we didn't know that then. So I guess they both sucked in their own special way.

I personally think Insurrection is a bit on the underrated side.

The only thing about Insurrection was that I didn't side with the "good guys". These people are living on a planet with radiation that can cure everyone of everything and they refused to share it. It wasn't even their planet, they were squatters. So I didn't buy the premise but other than that I guess it wasn't terrible. I don't know, I haven't seen it in like a decade.

There was a pretty desperate attempt to create a Trail Of Tears scenario with Picard's speech about forced relocations. The story missed on a dispassionate, logical voice to make the argument that the needs to the many (the rest of the galaxy) outweighed the needs of the few(hippie squatters)
Like a Vulcan or what one might expect Data to say.....

Mugato: GAT_00: Really? Generations was one of the worst?

Absolutely. The writing was horrible, none of it made any sense. Say what you want about Trek 5, at least it had internal logic. Generations was just riddled with plot holes you couldn't ignore.

Generations was cool, but it should have been a season 7 episode. It really didn't have legs to be a movie. Two glaring issues:

Ships can't survive the nexus, but why not just sit around in a space suit? Why did it NEED to be a planet?
If the Nexus can deliver you to any time, as was said; why go back to seconds before it arrived. Picard could have saved the D and the Shat could have taken care of Soran back in the 23rd century. The damn movie was entertaining and had some eye candy, but it was very lose with it's story.

Zombie DJ: TyrantII: Giacchino really needs to step it up on the score this time around, he really phoned it in in Trek 09.

You shut your whore mouth!
Giacchino is a music GOD!
Lost
Incredibles
He is the MAN!
I actually listen to more of his stuff than John Williams anymore.

Hey, I'm not knocking his other stuff which I do enjoy. But the fact is he really phoned it in with Trek, which really had me rubbing my head. The main overture isn't so bad, but then he does nothing with it but repeat it verbatim.

Labor Of Love and Enterprising Young Men are good stand alone tracks, but then you run into the problem where he didn't find a way to really tell a story with the soundtrack. The changes in mood, tempo, ect are very jarring, sometimes even in the middle of a track, and don't complement each other well. The overture works well from the prologue and title screen, but as a booming melody for the enterprise, not so much.

Say what you will, but it's probably his worst score to date, which is unfortunate as the rest of the film was pretty damn good. It needs to be better next time around. It definitely needs to be more memorable and "epic". I'm hoping he spends some serious time on it to get it right.

Your_Huckleberry:
There was a pretty desperate attempt to create a Trail Of Tears scenario with Picard's speech about forced relocations. The story missed on a dispassionate, logical voice to make the argument that the needs to the many (the rest of the galaxy) outweighed the needs of the few(hippie squatters)
Like a Vulcan or what one might expect Data to say.....

Problem is VOY and DS9 just got done with the whole marquis plot lines, where politics of the federation basically force relocated or fought against their own border citizens. Insurrection wasn't much different, but for Picard doing a 180 on his orders, that would have court marshaled the whole crew. He didn't even have a Kirk Trek IV, VI trump card.

FTFA: The script is good, as you would expect.

Is that supposed to be an insult or a compliment?

Mugato: I have a feeling the whole thing was rushed, since it came out the same year as the end of the show.

To which show do you refer, pray tell?

They can do whatever they like. I ain't watching it. Not one thin dime will I spend on JJ Abrams...

Mugato: BroVinny: Mugato: I have a feeling the whole thing was rushed, since it came out the same year as the end of the show.

To which show do you refer, pray tell?

uh TNG?

Oh. Wasn't properly following thread of conversation. I'm sorry.