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(LA Times)   The crew has beamed back aboard Enterprise   (herocomplex.latimes.com) divider line 99
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2012-01-14 05:03:27 PM  
Apart from Wrath of Khan, I thought all the trek movies sucked. The reboot was just okay, I had problems with the plot holes in it and the lens flaring.

Trek movie scripts are hard to write because of all the non-plot bullshiat you have to go thru with the studio and lawyer/agents. Every cast member demands x amount of screen time and script lines, no matter how logical that would be or where they go. Especially in a reboot, you have to waste so much time re-establishing each characters' origin story, at least to a point where they are ready to function in the plot. Then you still have to build the villain and do more exposition. And there's a lot of time lost to the effects sequences and "pew,pew,pew!", which is fan service the fan base demands. Good luck keeping the thing coherent under all those restrictions.

This should be eased a little bit for JJ in the second movie. But it's still aqrd to do it well, because there's so much collaboration involved, and in hollywood, the more people that get involved, the more chances arise to fark something up.
 
2012-01-14 05:11:06 PM  
Shut it down, everyone! Last one out of the soundstage get the lights.

Imma let you finish, but my Starship Stateroom I turned one of my bedrooms into is the greatest Trek set of all time. OF ALL TIME.

i41.tinypic.com

i39.tinypic.com

/refreshingly Lens Flare free
 
2012-01-14 05:16:01 PM  

mark12A: Shut it down, everyone! Last one out of the soundstage get the lights.

Imma let you finish, but my Starship Stateroom I turned one of my bedrooms into is the greatest Trek set of all time. OF ALL TIME.

[i41.tinypic.com image 640x480]

[i39.tinypic.com image 480x640]

/refreshingly Lens Flare free


I bet no woman has ever beamed aboard your vessel.
 
2012-01-14 05:25:26 PM  

mark12A: Shut it down, everyone! Last one out of the soundstage get the lights.

Imma let you finish, but my Starship Stateroom I turned one of my bedrooms into is the greatest Trek set of all time. OF ALL TIME.

[i41.tinypic.com image 640x480]

[i39.tinypic.com image 480x640]

/refreshingly Lens Flare free


Now why am I not surprised it only sleeps one?

/huge TREK geek
//so is my love, but she would never approve of building such a thing
 
2012-01-14 05:42:21 PM  
There was Simon Pegg (Scotty) and John Cho (Mr. Sulu) ducking into the coffee shop just before lunchtime

Shaun and Kumar go to Starbucks?
 
2012-01-14 05:56:54 PM  

fusillade762: Shaun and Kumar go to Starbucks?


That gives me an idea, Kumar could play Khan! At least he's a real Indian. I think.
 
2012-01-14 06:18:26 PM  
Star Trek 6 was pretty good
 
2012-01-14 06:51:33 PM  

Mugato: fusillade762: Shaun and Kumar go to Starbucks?

That gives me an idea, Kumar could play Khan! At least he's a real Indian. I think.


Harold and Kumar go to Romulus?

Seriously though, if they do do a Khan story, they need Amitabh Bachchan to play Khan.
 
2012-01-14 07:20:01 PM  
Mr Sulu rather have something beamed into him.
 
2012-01-14 07:33:26 PM  
Because there isn't any place we could have gone for Star Trek but back to something that's already been done? The original actors did all of their parts justice. James Doohan, DeForest Kelley, George Takei, Shatner, etc all gave their personality to the character. So not only am I watching Simon Pegg trying to be Scotty. I'm watching Simon Pegg try to be James Doohan be Scotty.

The ONLY reason to do what they did was "Oh look. TWO SPOCKS!!!". We couldn't have gone 200 years past where we left off?.

DS9 wrapped up pretty well. But Cardasia is in wreckage. We have this wormhole to another quadrant. Jem'Hadar were somewhat fighting for independence. Hell you could skip forward 500 years. Make almost a clean break and use the first few seasons to help 'fill in' the back story of what happened in those 500 years. Civil War. Second Federation of planets

Same goes for Enterprise. Why the hell would you go back in time? There are plenty of untold stories. There are plenty of good writers out there that could easily come up with new stories and NEW stuff without rehashing the past.

It'd be like doing a remake/reboot of Stargate SG-1. We've already seen their stories. The original cast meshed excellently. New writers would try and shoehorn new actors into old characters. But it just wouldn't be the same without McGyver.

Hell while we're at it lets Remake Die Hard 3. We can get Statham to replace Willis and some black guy for Jackson. And then we can watch the entire travesty and the entire time I'll just be hearing Jackson's voice in my head.

Now we're going to be stuck in this alternate universe for the for see able future. Did TNG and DS9 even exist? Are we going to get the TNNG on TV in 5 years? Set completely in the alternate universe? At this rate by time 2300 rolls around we'll be on our 20th or so reboot of the year 2300. Then we can just turn it into a campy Friends show.
 
2012-01-14 07:44:36 PM  
Tee hee hee ... Benedict Cumberbatch. What a delightfully British name.
 
2012-01-14 07:56:17 PM  

rynthetyn: Seriously though, if they do do a Khan story, they need Amitabh Bachchan to play Khan.


There's a myriad of reasons why they'd be fools to do Khan.
 
2012-01-14 08:12:45 PM  

Mugato: rynthetyn: Seriously though, if they do do a Khan story, they need Amitabh Bachchan to play Khan.

There's a myriad of reasons why they'd be fools to do Khan.


Indeed. As much as I'm onbard with Abrams' version of Star Trek, any attempt at revisiting Khan will not sit well with me at all.
 
2012-01-14 08:49:40 PM  
Easy... I don't consider this travesty as anything "Star Trek"... just some people with too much money, not enough intelligence to go with something new and lots of lens flares.

Why play the stupid reboot card... why not have gone with another time, another captain, another crew?

Nah... let's make it "edgy" and "shiny" and hipster... I was expecting them to pop up their Macs open in a future Starbucks pretty much throughout the whole movie.
 
2012-01-14 08:53:38 PM  

Zombie DJ: TyrantII: Giacchino really needs to step it up on the score this time around, he really phoned it in in Trek 09.

You shut your whore mouth!
Giacchino is a music GOD!
Lost
Incredibles
He is the MAN!
I actually listen to more of his stuff than John Williams anymore.


I know Giacchino. He's awesome. Big LEGO fan.
 
2012-01-14 09:30:10 PM  
Really I'm Black gay spock is gay
"It's all for you, Damien!" farm4.static.flickr.com
 
2012-01-14 09:33:22 PM  

Mugato: rynthetyn: Seriously though, if they do do a Khan story, they need Amitabh Bachchan to play Khan.

There's a myriad of reasons why they'd be fools to do Khan.


They wouldn't be that foolish......

Or would they??

I'm thinking not. Klingons, maybe. Just not the ones from that deleted scene from the reboot.
 
2012-01-14 09:36:18 PM  
I look forward to May of 2013.
 
2012-01-14 09:49:36 PM  

Your_Huckleberry: Mugato: rynthetyn: Seriously though, if they do do a Khan story, they need Amitabh Bachchan to play Khan.

There's a myriad of reasons why they'd be fools to do Khan.

They wouldn't be that foolish......

Or would they??

I'm thinking not. Klingons, maybe. Just not the ones from that deleted scene from the reboot.


Well i don't see how they could do it logistically. I realize it's a "parallel universe" or whatever but Khan's story arc spans 15 years, starting with one of the TOS episodes. And there's no way they can top Wrath of Khan by any metric except FX of course.

There were Klingons in a deleted scene? I'll have to check that out.
 
2012-01-14 10:47:44 PM  
Bah. I'm over 'Battle Trek.'

From the TNG movies onward - including 'Enterprise' and most of 'Voyager' - Trek stopped being about exploration on the frontier and seeing strange, new, wonderful things and started being about Space Cops who fight bad guys who want to do bad things. That's why Trek over the last decade (or longer) has SUCKED - the writers start by asking, 'Hmm, who will be the bad guys that the good guys fight this time?' and work from there.

Now, Big Bad Space Battles have always been a feature of the show, but it wasn't always the whole premise. The best movies that feature them - Wrath of Khan and The Undiscovered Country - wrap the conflict with human themes and 'Big Ideas'. Deep Space Nine featured a seasons-long interstellar war, but focused on the characters, morality, etc - it was still primarily a drama, not an action show. The Star Trek of old used the framework of the show to either tell human tales of morality, or as Big Questions about the nature of life and existence.

I actually prefer the much-hated 'The Final Frontier' to the 2009 film. It may be cheesy at times, but it was about 'going out there' and seeking the unknown, and I loved the way it ended with the Klingons and Federation crews mingling together peacefully - it reminded me of the end of 'Day of the Dove', where the Enterprise crew join the Klingons in laughing off the alien predator who feeds on conflict.

The 2009 film had plot holes larger than a Borg cube. The characters felt like parodies of the originals in that they took the most common things everyone remembered from the show (whether misconceptions or not) and magnified them. Everyone remembers that Sulu scene with the fencing foil, so of course, now he's a master swordsman... Kirk has a reputation for being a womanizer (all the characters got their share of tail on the show, not just Kirk) so of course we have Kirk sleazing it up in a bar and sleeping with Uhura's roommate... and so on.

The dialogue was awful. 'I got your gun LOL'. The Vulcan kids insulting Spock by calling his mother a 'human whore'. Come now, on a planet where the men only have sex every seven years due to biological impulses, would the profession of 'whore' even exist - and even if it did, wouldn't it be viewed as being perfectly logical and thus not insulting? Etc, etc - it was clearly written for teenage ears.

Starfleet went from being about space exploration to being a 'peacekeeping armada'. Which suits what Trek has become, I guess - a juvenile glam affair about kicking ass in space.
 
2012-01-14 11:56:20 PM  
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2012-01-14 11:58:55 PM  

Samwise Gamgee: From the TNG movies onward - including 'Enterprise' and most of 'Voyager' - Trek stopped being about exploration on the frontier and seeing strange, new, wonderful things and started being about Space Cops who fight bad guys who want to do bad things.


I simply don't know how you could have watched Enterprise and came to the conclusion it wasn't about 'exploration on the frontier and seeing strange, new, wonderful things'. Those things are so much the focus of the plot they practically hit you over the head with it. Even if you aren't paying attention to the story you can't help but notice the extremes to which some of the actors go to 'be excited' about new discoveries time and again.

Are there antagonists and fighting in it? Yep, just as there was in every Trek series since the start. But the primary focus of the entire show is humanity finally exploring the galaxy with the express purpose of striking out on their own and discovering new worlds and cultures.
 
2012-01-15 12:07:34 AM  
People forget, the reboot was a continuation of a Next Generation episode, for god's sake. It cleared one of the enduring loose ends in Trek lore that the Berman/Braga crew apparently completely forgot about, and remained unresolved for years: What happened to Spock after he left Picard and the gang and went to Romulus?

So it's sort of a Next Generation movie, anyway.
 
2012-01-15 12:08:03 AM  

Mugato: Your_Huckleberry: Mugato: rynthetyn: Seriously though, if they do do a Khan story, they need Amitabh Bachchan to play Khan.

There's a myriad of reasons why they'd be fools to do Khan.

They wouldn't be that foolish......

Or would they??

I'm thinking not. Klingons, maybe. Just not the ones from that deleted scene from the reboot.

Well i don't see how they could do it logistically. I realize it's a "parallel universe" or whatever but Khan's story arc spans 15 years, starting with one of the TOS episodes. And there's no way they can top Wrath of Khan by any metric except FX of course.

There were Klingons in a deleted scene? I'll have to check that out.


I guess there was a plot line about Nero and his crew being captured by Klingons-maybe a way to explain what Nero was doing all those years between arriving at Kirk's birth and waiting for Old Spock to show up.

They looked.....different. The Romulans looked the same, the Klingons...not so much. Unless they weren't Klingons and just pirates or something.
 
2012-01-15 12:11:29 AM  

Your_Huckleberry: They looked.....different. The Romulans looked the same, the Klingons...not so much. Unless they weren't Klingons and just pirates or something.


Well they were wearing full helmets, probably because no one had decided what Klingons should look like yet.
 
2012-01-15 12:58:22 AM  

Shrugging Atlas: Mugato: rynthetyn: Seriously though, if they do do a Khan story, they need Amitabh Bachchan to play Khan.

There's a myriad of reasons why they'd be fools to do Khan.

Indeed. As much as I'm onbard with Abrams' version of Star Trek, any attempt at revisiting Khan will not sit well with me at all.


Well they could not do "Wrath of Khan" without "Space Seed" since the first JJ movie predated the first TOS episode.
 
2012-01-15 02:14:56 AM  
xsarien:

Ah, there it is. There's no hate like Trekkie hate.

/ Love JJ Trek
// *And* non-JJ Trek
/// It's possible!


Erm, I'm definitely not a Trekkie, I have no interest in the franchise at all. My point was that if Damon Lindelof is involved, there's a good chance the next ST movie will suck because he's a supermassive black hole of suck.

*sigh* I really should get over the last 2 seasons of LOST, but I can't yet. *sigh*
 
2012-01-15 03:20:25 AM  
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2012-01-15 11:07:26 AM  
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Ah, so the crew is back together with the Enterprise.
 
2012-01-15 11:29:36 AM  

Confabulat: Your_Huckleberry: They looked.....different. The Romulans looked the same, the Klingons...not so much. Unless they weren't Klingons and just pirates or something.

Well they were wearing full helmets, probably because no one had decided what Klingons should look like yet.


The implication being that they will end up looking different from what we've seen before. I wonder if Klingons will end up looking more like non-ridge TOS types.
 
2012-01-15 11:53:56 AM  
Samwise Gamgee: Bah. I'm over 'Battle Trek.'

From the TNG movies onward - including 'Enterprise' and most of 'Voyager' - Trek stopped being about exploration on the frontier and seeing strange, new, wonderful things and started being about Space Cops who fight bad guys who want to do bad things.


-2/10

Trek 2,3,5, and 6 would like a talk with you. To an extent, even TMP.
 
2012-01-15 11:57:01 AM  
Confabulat: Your_Huckleberry: They looked.....different. The Romulans looked the same, the Klingons...not so much. Unless they weren't Klingons and just pirates or something.

Well they were wearing full helmets, probably because no one had decided what Klingons should look like yet.


I think the first script included them, but the ended getting trimmed down and then cut altogether. To save on the budget, they wore armor so almost no markup work was required. It was mostly bolted to the back of the armor.
 
2012-01-15 11:59:46 AM  
Your_Huckleberry: Confabulat: Your_Huckleberry: They looked.....different. The Romulans looked the same, the Klingons...not so much. Unless they weren't Klingons and just pirates or something.

Well they were wearing full helmets, probably because no one had decided what Klingons should look like yet.

The implication being that they will end up looking different from what we've seen before. I wonder if Klingons will end up looking more like non-ridge TOS types.


You know what might be interesting?

A story where the hybrids take control of the empire and go for the federation, which explains old TOS. This crew is already a few years younger than their original 5 year mission.

Also really sets up a good kirk / klingon dynamic. Politics, war, and a human looking Klingon antagonist.
 
2012-01-15 12:00:01 PM  

flaflaflowhigh: [i.space.com image 575x431]
Ah, so the crew is back together with the Enterprise.


Looks like Shatner wasn't invited.

Your_Huckleberry: I wonder if Klingons will end up looking more like non-ridge TOS types


Looks like the helmets have ridges. People need to forget about the TOS Klingons. It's a design change, nothing more, despite that stupid Enterprise episode.
 
2012-01-15 01:45:43 PM  
Here's another series that overstayed its welcome. It was fresh and new when it first started out but now it's just a cash cow. Let it go and make a new outer space series.

"Wrath of Khan" and "Undiscovered Country" are the only two Trek movies that are watchable. Okay okay you can add that whale movie too.

Babylon 5 > Firefly > Star Trek > Quark > Lost in Space
 
2012-01-15 01:55:52 PM  

Mugato: flaflaflowhigh: [i.space.com image 575x431]
Ah, so the crew is back together with the Enterprise.

Looks like Shatner wasn't invited.

Your_Huckleberry: I wonder if Klingons will end up looking more like non-ridge TOS types

Looks like the helmets have ridges. People need to forget about the TOS Klingons. It's a design change, nothing more, despite that stupid Enterprise episode.


I give them credit for trying to explain the differences, though I also think Worf did that sufficiently in DS9.
 
2012-01-15 03:45:42 PM  
Great movie, the guy who played Spock owned every scene he was in.
I watched the original series when I was a kid but couldn't stand the movies or Next Gen or Deep space Five or whatever the fark all that schlock was called.
 
2012-01-15 04:46:28 PM  
Maybe they are going with Klingons and that's why they cast Benedict Cumberbatch as the baddie--with those cheekbones, they don't even really need much makeup.
 
2012-01-15 05:46:48 PM  
Welcome back, crew, to the U.S.S. Apple Store.
 
2012-01-15 07:57:15 PM  
Don't talk to me about a stupid arsed movie where a twelve year old kid shifts a Mustang through seven gears, while the tires squeal on sand, only to jump out at 75 miles an hour and hang on to a dirt cliff with his finger tips, then stand up and proclaim in the most blatant schmacting voice ever, "James Tiberius Kirk!". Just don't. It's Stupid x Infinity Stupid.
 
2012-01-15 08:08:03 PM  

barefoot in the head: Don't talk to me about a stupid arsed movie where a twelve year old kid shifts a Mustang through seven gears, while the tires squeal on sand, only to jump out at 75 miles an hour and hang on to a dirt cliff with his finger tips, then stand up and proclaim in the most blatant schmacting voice ever, "James Tiberius Kirk!". Just don't. It's Stupid x Infinity Stupid.


Thank you. I thought I was the only one who hated that movie that much. I want to cockpunch J.J. Abrams over and over and over and over and over.
 
2012-01-15 09:33:02 PM  

Sylvia_Bandersnatch: barefoot in the head: Don't talk to me about a stupid arsed movie where a twelve year old kid shifts a Mustang through seven gears, while the tires squeal on sand, only to jump out at 75 miles an hour and hang on to a dirt cliff with his finger tips, then stand up and proclaim in the most blatant schmacting voice ever, "James Tiberius Kirk!". Just don't. It's Stupid x Infinity Stupid.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who hated that movie that much. I want to cockpunch J.J. Abrams over and over and over and over and over.


www.comicbookmovie.com

/I know, wrong "STAR" series...
 
2012-01-16 02:02:57 AM  

peterthx: Sylvia_Bandersnatch: barefoot in the head: Don't talk to me about a stupid arsed movie where a twelve year old kid shifts a Mustang through seven gears, while the tires squeal on sand, only to jump out at 75 miles an hour and hang on to a dirt cliff with his finger tips, then stand up and proclaim in the most blatant schmacting voice ever, "James Tiberius Kirk!". Just don't. It's Stupid x Infinity Stupid.

Thank you. I thought I was the only one who hated that movie that much. I want to cockpunch J.J. Abrams over and over and over and over and over.

[www.comicbookmovie.com image 494x358]

/I know, wrong "STAR" series...


I thought it was more true to form of the old series, which was almost as silly as the old batman series. It's a fun sci fi movie, without a condescending political message (thank god for that).
 
2012-01-16 11:09:33 AM  

Annoyance: I thought it was more true to form of the old series, which was almost as silly as the old batman series. It's a fun sci fi movie, without a condescending political message (thank god for that).


It seems to me that people who grew up with TOS and really appreciate it for what it is liked the Abrams movie, while people who know Trek primarily from Next Generation, DS9, etc, seem to have fits of nerd rage whenever it's mentioned. Personally I'm a huge fan of every Trek series except Voyager, and I loved the movie.
 
2012-01-16 02:40:19 PM  
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I am pleased to say that the only reference to Abrams Trek in the online game (STO) is one picture of the burned out hulk of the pretend Enterprise - you know, the one with Spinners. lol
 
2012-01-16 03:40:19 PM  
El Freak: Annoyance: I thought it was more true to form of the old series, which was almost as silly as the old batman series. It's a fun sci fi movie, without a condescending political message (thank god for that).

It seems to me that people who grew up with TOS and really appreciate it for what it is liked the Abrams movie, while people who know Trek primarily from Next Generation, DS9, etc, seem to have fits of nerd rage whenever it's mentioned. Personally I'm a huge fan of every Trek series except Voyager, and I loved the movie.


TNG got me into Trek, and I later grew a fondness for TOS. TMP movies were always fun too as a TNG "history".

I think it's the DS9'ers, specifically the Section 31'ers.

They actually believed a movie about that would bring riches and gold and cause a new Trek golden era. Rather then kill the series off for good. JJ did an excellent job of getting back to the root of what made TOS so enjoyable. The technobabble and ridiculous alien plot lines were getting too fantastical for their own good. Trek was always about the characters, friendship and the human condition. while DS9 was a good step towards serialization, the flash bang effects and focus on galactic war felt like Trek trying too much to be something it wasn't.
 
2012-01-16 04:41:27 PM  
30+ years of being a fan...I have never understood all the hate, for any flavor/portion of any of it. Sure, some of the movies weren't super-awesome, and out of HUNDREDS of episodes produced for TV, maybe 15% kinda weren't great. So farkin what. Count your blessings, people. One thing remains....the older ST stuff AND older SW stuff will always be viewed in a better light, because chances are, you were a child when you first saw them.

Now, people are just childish about the whole affair.
 
2012-01-16 09:30:04 PM  

TyrantII: They actually believed a movie about that would bring riches and gold and cause a new Trek golden era. Rather then kill the series off for good. JJ did an excellent job of getting back to the root of what made TOS so enjoyable. The technobabble and ridiculous alien plot lines were getting too fantastical for their own good. Trek was always about the characters, friendship and the human condition. while DS9 was a good step towards serialization, the flash bang effects and focus on galactic war felt like Trek trying too much to be something it wasn't.


Yeah, it's a good thing they got rid of that flash bang effects and galactic war with the new movie.

/liked the new movie
//would have liked a Section 31 movie more
///realizes a section 31 movie wouldn't make a dime
 
2012-01-16 11:42:04 PM  

TyrantII: The technobabble and ridiculous alien plot lines were getting too fantastical for their own good. Trek was always about the characters, friendship and the human condition. while DS9 was a good step towards serialization, the flash bang effects and focus on galactic war felt like Trek trying too much to be something it wasn't.


But... the new movie TOTALLY required technobabble about shiat like transwarp beaming, 'command codes', and sketchy black hole physics for the plot to work... and it was 90% flash bang effects and a focus on galactic war.

So, frankly, your comment confuses me.
 
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