Damn, 23 and throws gas.

As an M's fan, I have mixed feelings about this. Pineda has a lot of talent, but without run support neither he nor Felix will garner many wins. Unfortunately, we've traded a platoon of prospects that panned out elsewhere and gotten washed up or injury-prone former stars in return; I really hope this is an exceptional case.

I think the Yankees win this deal hands down. Pineda is young, five years away from FA and can flat out deal. Montero is going to a franchise with no chance of winning and that plays in a hitter's wasteland of a park.

The problem the Yankees have is they now have a staff of young starting pitching with several more pitchers on the way, plus a catcher in Gary Sanchez that they say will make Montero look average.

Think about it this way. In 2013 the rotation will be C.C., Pineda, Nova, Hughes, Burnett; with the prospects still working out in the minors. In 2014 when they want to cut their budget, they will have a rotation of C.C., Pineda, Nova, Hughes, and a 'B'; and if Hughes doesn't work out he can set up since Soriano will be gone.

IAmRight: Rex_Banner: Pineda was a rookie who played on a really, really bad team - not to mention the fact that most of Seattle's games started as the east coast was going to bed. Of course he isn't going to be a household name

Let's just say everyone on my timeline who is a Mariners fan is anywhere from disappointed to angry and everyone who is a Yankees fan is super happy.

Only because we as Mariners fans are complete idiots, and don't seem to understand that we have 4-5 young pitchers moving up and can more than fill in Pineda's spot. We have no hitters though, and incompetent ownership so we'll never see Prince Fielder. Once the flag waving fans that love to go to the park and watch a team dead in the water by May decide to lower their hatred for the deal, they'll find that it probably evens out nicely.

/With no Fielder, the fans will go into Apathy mode this year. Pittsburgh of the west.

Well this stinks.

I get that the m's need more help than he can provide, but the Yankees? That stings.

SilentStrider: WTF Indeed: plus a catcher in Gary Sanchez that they say will make Montero look average.

defensively a lot of catchers will make Montero look bad. Mostly because he sucks defensively. M's are better off playing Montero at DH

DH and maybe some 1B, but hopefully not a lot of catching. Of course, Rob Johnson then Miguel Olivo?

I don't know, Montero looked pretty exciting in Sept/oct. But as most Yankees fans during the early 90's know, only one name will describe what could happen to him- Kevin Maas


/Still gun shy on Yankees free agent pitching since Tim Leary, Andy Hawkins, Dave LaPoint, up to Burnett, so hopefully trades work out better.

Sweeny Murti reports "Was told SEA wanted Nova instead of Noesi but Yanks wouldn't give. SEA eventually agreed on Noesi."

This is why I like Cashman, sure, he has the biggest budget to work with, but when it come to screwing other teams, and making the other side still think they're getting the better end of the deal, this guy is the king.

mjoven1975: I think the Yankees win this deal hands down. Pineda is young, five years away from FA and can flat out deal. Montero is going to a franchise with no chance of winning and that plays in a hitter's wasteland of a park.

Not exactly. The right-field walls at Safeco were built to be short (they had Griffey in mind during construction), so it naturally favors lefty pull-hitters and righties that rely on hitting to the opposite field. Montero apparently likes hitting to the opposite field a lot, so he should be fine. The reason Richie Sexson and countless others ended up flaming out at Safeco is because they were all righty pull-hitters.

All in all, I'd say this is a surprisingly even trade for both sides, as the Yankees get a quality starting pitcher who's still improving, plus a highly-regarded young prospect in Campos who could provide excellent value down the line. The Mariners get a big bat (and have less pressure on them to sign Fielder now), and Noesi isn't exactly a bad arm in his own right.

What do you call a hipster Yankees fan?

A Mariners fan.

Congrats on your new SH Seattle. Pineda is a flash in the pan, I think, and the Yanks will come to regret this trade.

IAmRight: everyone who is a Yankees fan is super happy.

Not true for me. Someone I follow RTed a guy who was whining because Pineda went 9-10 last year. He felt they should've traded for Lincecum instead.

Rex_Banner: IAmRight: Let's just say everyone on my timeline who is a Mariners fan is anywhere from disappointed to angry and everyone who is a Yankees fan is super happy.

There are quite a few Yankees fans that aren't happy either, which isn't surprising. A lot of Yankee fans loved Montero (and honestly, I loved Montero too, but I think the Yankees got fair value for him).

The thing is, this trade probably benefits both teams. There's always some risk involved when dealing with younger guys because you never know if they'll actually pan out in the long run, but I think that the M's can build their lineup around Montero as he enters his prime and the Yankees got an arm that improves their rotation significantly. They each filled a need.

Most Yankee fans who aren't happy are basing his whole value on the few at bats. Right now some are saying because Pineda was under .500. This is a team that sucked so bad Felix Hernandez won a Cy Young with only 13 wins, and he was dominant that year. They neglect to look at his, you know, stats.

I have to say I'm disappointed that we won't get to see what Montero can do as a Yankee, but at least they got a quality arm in return and by sending him to Seattle we're virtually guaranteed he can't hurt us in any significant way.

Yanks_RSJ: I have to say I'm disappointed that we won't get to see what Montero can do as a Yankee, but at least they got a quality arm in return and by sending him to Seattle we're virtually guaranteed he can't hurt us in any significant way.

He may be good, he may even be one of the greats, but the Yanks have so much hitting, They really need the pitching, and young ones at that. Plus, some blog threw out the stat that 6 of the 8 position players are only 28-31years old. That doesn't even include the DH they sign, so they now have young cost controlled pitchers to go with their hitters. I mean, Granderson, Cano, Swisher, Teixiera, a healthy A-Rod, they'll score plenty.

Hopefully Montero brings in fans to Seattle though,( Ichiro can't beat out dribblers anymore) it's good for the game the more successful franchises there are.

WarehouseMouse: As an M's fan, I have mixed feelings about this. Pineda has a lot of talent, but without run support neither he nor Felix will garner many wins. Unfortunately, we've traded a platoon of prospects that panned out elsewhere and gotten washed up or injury-prone former stars in return; I really hope this is an exceptional case.

What article did you read?

Super Chronic: WarehouseMouse: As an M's fan, I have mixed feelings about this. Pineda has a lot of talent, but without run support neither he nor Felix will garner many wins. Unfortunately, we've traded a platoon of prospects that panned out elsewhere and gotten washed up or injury-prone former stars in return; I really hope this is an exceptional case.

What article did you read?

Maybe this is pay back for Jay Buhner?

Very disappointed to see Montero go (and I still think we'd be looking at #28 right now if Girardi pinch hit for Martin in game 5), but I suppose this is a good deal. Mariners may have improved to 3rd place with this trade. I guess it's a start.

mjoven1975: I think the Yankees win this deal hands down. Pineda is young, five years away from FA and can flat out deal. Montero is going to a franchise with no chance of winning and that plays in a hitter's wasteland of a park.

Why would you say that? The team has an above-average budget, a deep farm system and a quality general manager, and has been steadily improving as an organization since Bill Bavasi laid waste to everything he touched. The team has won in the past.

Anyhow, the trade.

Overall I think the Yankees win this trade, largely because of the Campos factor -- he's no mere throw-in. The Mariners traded more talent than they got back. On the other hand, there are a few factors pulling this back in the M's direction a little. The Mariners are making this trade from an area of huge organizational strength -- Pineda and Campos are talented, but not more talented than Felix and three prospects who should be ready by the start of 2013 (Walker, Paxton and Hultzen, in some order). Pineda has as good a fastball as anyone, but needs to develop secondary offerings if he's really going to be a top starter. And there's also the TANSTAAPP factor, which means I prefer young position players to young pitchers as a rule. Montero should be fine in Safeco, as he has power to all fields. So, overall, for Seattle, a net loss of talent, but possibly a net gain in terms of team balance and risk profile.

Also, I imagine this means the M's are out of the Prince Fielder sweepstakes. They'll have Smoak back at first base, move Carp out to left to platoon with Wells and play Montero at DH. No place for Fielder.

Oh, and one other thing. Every time a Yankees-Mariners trade rumor is floated -- and there are lots of them because, you know, Felix -- three or four people helpfully chime in that the Yankees will never trade with the Mariners again, because Cashman is furious with Zduriencik over that bush league move when he pulled out of a Cliff Lee trade at the last minute. Umm, guess not. (This was always a stupid argument; Cashman is smart enough not to cut his nose off to spite his face.)

But in any event, it looks like there won't be any more Felix-to-the-Yankees rumors anytime soon, since Montero was always the centerpiece of those rumors. Not that there was ever any substance to them.

Super Chronic: Also, I imagine this means the M's are out of the Prince Fielder sweepstakes. They'll have Smoak back at first base, move Carp out to left to platoon with Wells and play Montero at DH. No place for Fielder.

Fielder has to decide if he'll take a little less money now to get that guaranteed contract, or is he going to sign a 1 or 2 year deal and hope he doesn't balloon over 300 (well, they claim he's only 285). If I'm Prince, and I can't control my plate, I sign that 7 or 8 year deal soon.

Potential starting 5, wonder if any rotation has ever had every pitchers last name end in the same letter.

Sabathia
Pineda
Nova
Kuroda
Garcia

So when the Yankees sign Fielder to a two year $50 million deal next week, how mad will people be?

Outrageous Muff: So when the Yankees sign Fielder to a two year $50 million deal next week, how mad will people be?

Who cares?

Yanks_RSJ: Who cares?

I don't think they will, it makes no sense for them since they have lots of older hitters, but you never know. It makes sense for both the team and Fielder.

Yanks_RSJ: Outrageous Muff: So when the Yankees sign Fielder to a two year $50 million deal next week, how mad will people be?

Who cares?

People that want another team winning the AL East, maybe?

Thank you, Seattle, for propping up the Yankees yet again.

/suicides

Doran: Yanks_RSJ: Outrageous Muff: So when the Yankees sign Fielder to a two year $50 million deal next week, how mad will people be?

Who cares?

People that want another team winning the AL East, maybe?

Thank you, Seattle, for propping up the Yankees yet again.

/suicides

It's good to want things.

Outrageous Muff: It makes sense for both the team and Fielder.

Check that. It makes no sense with the players they currently have. But it does make sense if they just want to win championships. In two years, Fielder gets another bite of the apple, the teams in trouble won't be, and he's $50 million richer.

Outrageous Muff: , and he's $50 million richer 50 pounds heavier.

Yanks_RSJ: It's good to want things.

I'd say "only if they're attainable" but... indeed.

Rex_Banner: Super Chronic: Also, I imagine this means the M's are out of the Prince Fielder sweepstakes. They'll have Smoak back at first base, move Carp out to left to platoon with Wells and play Montero at DH. No place for Fielder.

I wonder if the Mariners want to play Montero at C. The Yankees pretty clearly didn't think he would work out behind the plate, but if he can develop into a decent catcher, he becomes that much more valuable

Well, Piazza had a great career as a top hitter and a bad defensive catcher, so you never know. If Montero can catch just a little, it might be worth it. And if there's a chance to get Prince Fielder, I'd try to find a way to make it all work if I were them.

The M's did go out and get John Jaso earlier in this offseason, not that he's on Montero's level.

hbk72777: Yanks_RSJ: I have to say I'm disappointed that we won't get to see what Montero can do as a Yankee, but at least they got a quality arm in return and by sending him to Seattle we're virtually guaranteed he can't hurt us in any significant way.

He may be good, he may even be one of the greats, but the Yanks have so much hitting, They really need the pitching, and young ones at that. Plus, some blog threw out the stat that 6 of the 8 position players are only 28-31years old. That doesn't even include the DH they sign, so they now have young cost controlled pitchers to go with their hitters. I mean, Granderson, Cano, Swisher, Teixiera, a healthy A-Rod, they'll score plenty.

Hopefully Montero brings in fans to Seattle though,( Ichiro can't beat out dribblers anymore) it's good for the game the more successful franchises there are.

This. Somewhat sad about losing Montero but Pineda is a potential stud. All of a sudden the Yanks rotation turns from CC, Nova and whatifs to CC, Nova, Pineda, Kuroda and (anydecentpitcherwilldo).

Can't wait 'till Spring Training.

Rex_Banner: I wonder if the Mariners want to play Montero at C. The Yankees pretty clearly didn't think he would work out behind the plate, but if he can develop into a decent catcher, he becomes that much more valuable

From what I'm hearing, the plan is to bring him to spring training as a catcher.

hbk72777: Potential starting 5, wonder if any rotation has ever had every pitchers last name end in the same letter.

Sabathia
Pineda
Nova
Kuroda
Garcia

I honestly hope Hughes has a great, bounce-back ST and gets the five spot instead of Garcia. He's got the stuff and can dominate when he's on; while Garcia got through with smoke and mirrors last season.

IAmRight: Rex_Banner: Pineda was a rookie who played on a really, really bad team - not to mention the fact that most of Seattle's games started as the east coast was going to bed. Of course he isn't going to be a household name

Let's just say everyone on my timeline who is a Mariners fan is anywhere from disappointed to angry and everyone who is a Yankees fan is super happy.

I'm OK with this deal, but just OK. Olivo is 700 years old in catcher years, and Smoak has never played more than 120 games.So you start Montero at 1st 30 or 40 times, catcher about the same amount, and DH him the rest of the time. It's not ideal, but we definitely need the bat.

The other thing is Pineda faded a bit down the stretch when his innings got up there.


All in all, it looks like a trade where both sides fill a need.