If pot were legal, this woman could have injected pot instead.

/challenges anyone to find my point

The needle was probably a bigger problem than the drugs, but given the way bath salts are always changing to stay head of the bans, I don't think this was very unlikely.

Still a better high than krokodil.

FirstNationalBastard: People are going to get farked up. They want to get farked up. Simple fact.

So why do we keep illegal the natural substances that get you farked up, and are mostly harmless, which does nothing but force people who want to get farked up to go and create some godawful shiat that is hundreds of times more destructive than the natural shiat that is illegal?

I'm in the legalize everything, treat everything camp. There's a certain loss rate that will always be achieved, but removing some stigma and cost for people to get clean isn't a terrible idea to me. I'd rather pay for a junkie to get clean than spend time in jail learning to be a better criminal.

"I got's my cat a hat too"

Aigoo: "...the infection was moving so fast they could see flesh dying right before their eyes."

I call bullshiat. Did the woman get an infection? More than likely. Did it move pretty fast? Also, more than likely. But there are three whole paragraphs of sensationalistic journalism at its worst, and that line is the icing on the cake of stupidity. So-called journalist should go work for the NYT ombudsman until he figures out whether or not reporters should call people out on their bullshiat or not.

I have spent more than my fair share of time in the microbiology section of a medical lab (does multiple years count?) - I have never seen an infection move so fast as to require amputation and radical mastectomy in two days, which is what the article implies.

/bacteria doesn't generally move fast enough to necrotize flesh "before your very eyes"
//didn't know Nancy Reagan was writing for NPR

Yeah, "before your eyes" seems pretty implausible.

Could she have had a reaction to the drug, or more likely something used to cut it or something she used to make it into an injectable form, and it just destroyed her blood vessels?

Oznog: Aigoo: "...the infection was moving so fast they could see flesh dying right before their eyes."

I call bullshiat. Did the woman get an infection? More than likely. Did it move pretty fast? Also, more than likely. But there are three whole paragraphs of sensationalistic journalism at its worst, and that line is the icing on the cake of stupidity. So-called journalist should go work for the NYT ombudsman until he figures out whether or not reporters should call people out on their bullshiat or not.

I have spent more than my fair share of time in the microbiology section of a medical lab (does multiple years count?) - I have never seen an infection move so fast as to require amputation and radical mastectomy in two days, which is what the article implies.

/bacteria doesn't generally move fast enough to necrotize flesh "before your very eyes"
//didn't know Nancy Reagan was writing for NPR

Yeah, "before your eyes" seems pretty implausible.

Could she have had a reaction to the drug, or more likely something used to cut it or something she used to make it into an injectable form, and it just destroyed her blood vessels?

Well, I have seen blood infections spread fast enough that looking from moment to moment reveals new veins spidering down their extremities. But its not like you can watch it flow through the veins, you only see it as everything gets inflamed.

NFA: GaryPDX: Do we really need to protect people from being stupid? Really?

/hard pressed being taxed more


Actually It's economics. You can ignore the problem, have the drug addict show up at the emergency room for all sorts of VERY expensive medical treatments and walk away without paying. Then the hospital raises the rates for all their paying customers (i.e You). This is one of the reasons why Aspirins cost $30 and a hospital bed cost $1000's per night.

The cost of amputating that arm could have funded a large city's needle exchange program for years.

The average homeless person costs hospitals about $250K per year. Drug addicts are a lower cost but have many problems due to dirty needles, OD's etc. etc.

So the stupidity of others is YOUR problem whether you choose to ignore it or not.

very true, the needle exchange program in Australia is getting great results

oh, citation for the trolls
/just read the summary if you're feeling lazy

they're actually immunosuppressant in nature.

I deal with several chemicals at work that are as well. Lots of stuff is immunotoxic but those usually sterilize the bacteria as well.

Bath salts are not sterilized before packaging, what makes subby think that they're safe for injection?

Why the fark would you inject em anyway, much easier to use em like ketamine hydroxide, inhalant or tongue.

Seriously, wtf is wrong with you that you want to snort this shiat, let alone inject it. Ive always believed pot should be legal, but now i'm starting to believe we should just legalize everything and let Darwin sort it out. Not like you can't get whatever you want anyways. Make some money off of it and use that money to treat addicts. Seriously, legal pot alone would make so much that they'd be able to open up thousands of free clinics all across the country. Make it easy for people to get clean. Give them incentives and a purpose to clean up. This could all be done by making money off of these drugs that everyone is taking anyways. Not to mention the violence associated with illegal drug dealing that would be eliminated.

Of course, what would happen is, instead of using that money to take the burden off the taxpayer, and let it genuinely go towards what it was intended, the shiatheads in Washington would just throw it all into that magical mystical vacuum and let it spit out millions into little pissant projects like helping fukng turtles cross the road or why someone becomes a top or a bottom in a traditional gay relationship(that was actually a taxpayer funded study)

Today's news story that is definitely not propaganda planted by the DEA as part of the War on Drugs: "Woman Injects 'Bath Salts,' Loses Arm To Flesh-Eating Bacteria"

Yeah. Because junkies in need for a fix are known for well thought out plans.

Aigoo: I call bullshiat.

Necrotizing fasciitis can move so fast that if you turn away for a few minutes, it'll have moved up the limb the next time you look. That's what makes it so hard to treat, and why there's no margin for error in diagnosing it.

- I have never seen an infection move so fast as to require amputation and radical mastectomy in two days, which is what the article implies.

For necrotizing fascitis usually it's hours after the patient presents at the hospital. Yes, hours. In this case it was two days because it appears the necrotizing fasciitis emerged as a secondary infection. Figure the woman had cellulitis when she got to the hospital, they treated that, then the necrotizing fascitis gained a foothold and that was that. There has been a story or two on Fark in the past about people who had necrotizing fasciitis, and in each it was a matter of hours between when they got to the hospital and they were in surgery. In each of those cases the people weren't on drugs or anything, just a scratch or something and that was that.

SuperTramp: No clear margins proximally of healthy muscle were available, so an incision was made in the anterolateral approach to the shoulder. In the time it took to expose the anterior upper arm, muscle in the forearm that had previously been contractile and pink had turned dusky and noncontractile. We disarticulated the shoulder to obtain clear margins of the disease to prevent disease progression. The general surgery team was placed on standby to aid with further chest wall and neck debridement as indicated, and massive blood transfusion protocols were instituted.

/from the article on a website about orthopaedics.
//yish

Reposting because holy shiat

No requim for a dream joke or referance yet?

SuperTramp: from the article on a website about orthopaedics.

SuperTramp you're cool.

the nameless one: No requim for a dream joke or referance yet?

I was waiting on the ajax snorting chick from C&C

vernonFL: I dont understand why someone would do "bath salts" when you can get perfectly good meth or coke or E. Ive never done "bath salts", but it sounds like really bad E.

I don't understand it either. I've tried multiple drugs but MJ is the only one that makes sense...all the rest are too evil and dangerous. I know MJ can make you crazy and I feel for those people ( some of my family can't handle smoking ) but still it's Nothing compared to, well, everything else

violentsalvation: Not at all unlikely. That bacteria was probably in her rig or cotton though.

Fark introduced me to the term 'cotton fever'.
I find it sad that people have to go through this sh*t to get high, or that they are willing to take these risks.
So very glad I grew up in the 60' and 70's when drugs were safe if we chose to experiment
I love bath salts in my tub for a good soak. Am I a criminal.

batcookie: Yet another example of why drugs should be legal. No one has ever said "Gee, I'm really jonesin' for some crack... but I heard it's illegal, so I guess I'll pass." They're going to do it either way, you should regulate it/tax it/MAKE IT AS SAFE AS POSSIBLE. Providing clean needles = people not losing arms to flesh eating diseases. Not rocket science.

are you suggesting had she not lost the arm, that she had the potential to be a rocket scientist? and that now that dream is no longer possible? i'm sure the handy capable community would love to have a few choice words with you on that matter, if that is indeed the case.

Avoid Death. Enjoy cannabis.

FTFA: The Drug Enforcement Administration invoked emergency powers in October to make the drug illegal.

What the farking fark?

/No agency has done more damage to respect for the law by creating laws that cannot be enforced and will not be respected.

The only scary sentence in this article is this one:

"The Drug Enforcement Administration invoked emergency powers in October to make the drug illegal."

Seriously? The DEA has emergency power now? WTF? Any retard who injects something given to them by Snake the corner drug dealer gets what they deserve. Decriminalize this bullshiat already and let evolution work things out.

erik-k: FTFA: The Drug Enforcement Administration invoked emergency powers in October to make the drug illegal.

What the farking fark?

/No agency has done more damage to respect for the law by creating laws that cannot be enforced and will not be respected.

Great minds...

AbbeySomeone: cotton fever

AbbeySomeone: violentsalvation: Not at all unlikely. That bacteria was probably in her rig or cotton though.

Fark introduced me to the term 'cotton fever'.
I find it sad that people have to go through this sh*t to get high, or that they are willing to take these risks.
So very glad I grew up in the 60' and 70's when drugs were safe if we chose to experiment
I love bath salts in my tub for a good soak. Am I a criminal.

yeah this

/can you get cotton fever using the filters from cigs?
//don't need to know but could come in handy

Well, that settles it. I'll never inject bath salts now.

farkingismybusiness: Still a better high than krokodil.

Crocodile? Forgive my ignorance in all things chemical but what is krokodil?


/krokodil=crocodile for me

Don't do salts. Just say "no" to salts.

Aigoo: "...the infection was moving so fast they could see flesh dying right before their eyes."

I call bullshiat. Did the woman get an infection? More than likely. Did it move pretty fast? Also, more than likely. But there are three whole paragraphs of sensationalistic journalism at its worst, and that line is the icing on the cake of stupidity. So-called journalist should go work for the NYT ombudsman until he figures out whether or not reporters should call people out on their bullshiat or not.

I have spent more than my fair share of time in the microbiology section of a medical lab (does multiple years count?) - I have never seen an infection move so fast as to require amputation and radical mastectomy in two days, which is what the article implies.

/bacteria doesn't generally move fast enough to necrotize flesh "before your very eyes"
//didn't know Nancy Reagan was writing for NPR

You've never had a MRSA infection.

Bath salts? Is that a euphemism for something, or are we literally talking about bath salts?

/ I must be getting old.