Had me going there for a second.

Exception Collection: Angry Drunk Bureaucrat: Had me going there for a second.

Same.

Actually, I'd probably watch a sitcom involving Alfie Stormageddon and Craig.

My Mother the Dalek
Cybermen Behaving Badly
Doctor Who's the Boss
The Master in the Middle
$h*! My Davros Says
Family Matters of Blood

Exception Collection: LeilaK: Thank God this was just a joke. The Rory character is OK, but I hate, despise and loathe Amy. She's self-absorbed and shallow. Hope the new Companions are better.

I liked Amy up until the "Future Amy" Ep., when she couldn't take being separated from Rory. He went two THOUSAND years without talking to her, and nary a peep or a whine. She spends thirty years without him, and she turns into a whiny an even whinier biatch.

To be fair, he knew where she was, and she was there because he had shot her!
She thought Rory had forgotten her.

Bit of a difference.

Of course the spin off we all really want is the Madame Valestra one. Come on BBC!

Gods kill it with an axe. "Gilmore Girls with a laugh track"

Maybe they could adopt alien kids. (new window)

The Pounds, is that where Rory pounds Amy for 30 minutes every week and we get to watch him bang her like he bangs Thai lady boys?

ShawnDoc: A) Its fake
B) This was released before Christmas and hit Reddit 2 weeks ago. Why are we green lighting it now? Its Friday the 13th, not April 1st.

I don't give a Fat Flock when something showed up on Reddit. I don't go there, and hadn't seen it yet. Piss off, you dozy twat.

ShawnDoc: A) Its fake
B) This was released before Christmas and hit Reddit 2 weeks ago. Why are we green lighting it now? Its Friday the 13th, not April 1st.

a) Are you a wizard?
b)...

ItsJustJake: I don't give a Fat Flock when something showed up on Reddit. I don't go there, and hadn't seen it yet. Piss off, you dozy twat.

Do you suppose that on the (apparently extremely rare) occasions when Reddit posts something later than Fark, there are people in the Reddit forums whingeing on about it?

I liked Amy and Rory, a lot.

/wouldn't want to see a show about their home life, though.

Again?

I thought this was going to be a Dr Suess link.
Boy was i disappointed.

Some people have a problem with this.
.

Episode 2 The trouble with K-9: Rory trying to teach K-9 how to fetch. Later he beats K-9 with a rolled up issue of Computer User after K-9 leaves microchips and lubrication oil on the rug.

Episode 3 : The Ponds, Mickey and Martha Smith are stuck in the seventies after Jack Harkness takes them on a drug fueled trip in an effort to start an orgy.

lasercannon: Episode 3 : The Ponds, Mickey and Martha Smith are stuck in the seventies after Jack Harkness takes them on a drug fueled trip in an effort to start an orgy.

Whereupon they meet the Master.

Maybe it would work if Rory died at the end of each episode only to return in the next without any explanation whatsoever.

Exception Collection: LeilaK: Thank God this was just a joke. The Rory character is OK, but I hate, despise and loathe Amy. She's self-absorbed and shallow. Hope the new Companions are better.

I liked Amy up until the "Future Amy" Ep., when she couldn't take being separated from Rory. He went two THOUSAND years without talking to her, and nary a peep or a whine. She spends thirty years without him, and she turns into a whiny an even whinier biatch.

I think that's actually one of the more interesting aspects of the two characters and their relationship to each other.

Rory is clearly slavishly devoted to Amy, and let's her have her way constantly. Yet he can spend two thousand years without her and still hold it together. Amy on the other hand acts completely dismissive towards Rory and seems incapable of expressing her affection for him without simultaneously denigrating him ("I love you, you dummy."). Yet she can't bear being apart from him, as evidenced both by her breakdown in "The Girl Who Waited" and her delusional terrors in "The Doctor's Wife."

At first blush it appears that Amy is the strong and dominant character while Rory is her weaker and submissive counterpart, but as the characters have developed we've seen that its actually Rory who is the strong, dominant partner in the relationship, while Amy is actually very insecure and reliant on others -- which is why Amy is drawn to the charisma of the Doctor, while Rory maintains a more detached opinion of him.

I think Rory is probably the more likeable of the two, the one I'd rather have a beer with, but both Amy and Rory are really excellent and well-thought out characters. I like them a lot more than some of the other characters that have appeared on the show.

/Still: so glad that this story is fake.

Keyser_Soze_Death: Maybe it would work if Rory died at the end of each episode only to return in the next without any explanation whatsoever.

skepticultist: Exception Collection: LeilaK: Thank God this was just a joke. The Rory character is OK, but I hate, despise and loathe Amy. She's self-absorbed and shallow. Hope the new Companions are better.

I liked Amy up until the "Future Amy" Ep., when she couldn't take being separated from Rory. He went two THOUSAND years without talking to her, and nary a peep or a whine. She spends thirty years without him, and she turns into a whiny an even whinier biatch.

I think that's actually one of the more interesting aspects of the two characters and their relationship to each other.

Rory is clearly slavishly devoted to Amy, and let's her have her way constantly. Yet he can spend two thousand years without her and still hold it together. Amy on the other hand acts completely dismissive towards Rory and seems incapable of expressing her affection for him without simultaneously denigrating him ("I love you, you dummy."). Yet she can't bear being apart from him, as evidenced both by her breakdown in "The Girl Who Waited" and her delusional terrors in "The Doctor's Wife."

At first blush it appears that Amy is the strong and dominant character while Rory is her weaker and submissive counterpart, but as the characters have developed we've seen that its actually Rory who is the strong, dominant partner in the relationship, while Amy is actually very insecure and reliant on others -- which is why Amy is drawn to the charisma of the Doctor, while Rory maintains a more detached opinion of him.

I think Rory is probably the more likeable of the two, the one I'd rather have a beer with, but both Amy and Rory are really excellent and well-thought out characters. I like them a lot more than some of the other characters that have appeared on the show.

/Still: so glad that this story is fake.

A very interesting summation.

Honestly, I was building up a good rage-on until I hit the last line in TFA. Well-played.

I'm holding out for following the adventures of a regenerated Genny in a found TARDIS. A regenerated Genny, who's been around a few hundred years but not lost her enthusiasm yet.

Whovians: Are you ready for a RomCom??



Would you like me to repeat the question?

LeilaK: A very thoughtful post.

However, compare Rory/Amy to Mickey/Rose, they're actually quite similar. Both men initially come off as bumbling idiots (though Rory is much more educated), both are infatuated with women who take them for granted, both more assertive when they're not around those women. (Think Rory with the Ganger woman; Mickey pretty much whenever Rose wasn't around.) The difference is that the Mickey finally moved on to a more productive life with a better partner (Martha Jones), Rose while still clingy towards the Doctor showed growth, compassion, empathy. Amy is exactly the same selfish, bossy witch at the end of the last series as she was at the beginning of the first series, and Rory comes over as a bit desperate. It could be argued that what the Amy character feels isn't so much fear of losing Rory as guilt that she wasn't better to him.

Just my opinion.

The primary difference between Rory & Amy and Rose & Mickey is that Amy loves Rory completely and Rose never really gave a shiat about Mickey.

Rose was with Mickey only because she was emotionally divorced from her own life and was just complacently accepting her dismal fate of being a London shopgirl who was going to grow up to be a load just like her mother, and she went out with Mickey because she didn't have enough interest in her own life to say no to his advances. All of this changes when Rose meets the Doctor and realizes how much more meaningful and rich her life can be. This causes her to leave Mickey behind, a fact that doesn't sit well with Mickey. After resolving his jealousy issues, Mickey grows up enough to realize he doesn't have anything to offer Rose and that he is kind of a chump. Which is why he ends up taking over Ricky's life: he realizes Rickey is meeting the potential that Mickey never sought to achieve.

But its entirely different with Rory and Amy. Amy desperately loves and needs Rory because Amy's entire life is a series of important people disappearing from her life -- disappearing so completely that she can't even remember that they ever existed except as a pervasive sense of anxiety about her life. Rory is the constant that never disappears (probably because he didn't live in her house with the crack in timespace). But because Amy needs to think of herself as a self-reliant person in control of her life (the only way she can emotionally survive being forced to be so self-reliant is to tell herself she wants to be self-reliant), she can't admit to herself that she needs Rory to keep her from falling into the endless pit of her own anxiety. Rory is strong enough to recognize (perhaps not consciously, but definitely on some level) that what Amy needs is to feel like she has a sense of control over her life, and so Rory allows her to push him around and be bossy towards him because he loves her enough to sacrifice some of his dignity to protect her from her own anxiety.

I do think that Amy has shown growth over the series so far. Her growth comes in the form of acknowledging how important Rory is to her, the most notable example of which is the episode "Amy's Choice," where she choose the possibility of horrible death over the possibility of life without Rory. While Rose's story takes her on a journey to a point where she is strong enough to say "I want better for myself," Amy's story takes her on a journey where she's strong enough to say "I do need other people in my life."

But I certainly agree that at first blush both Rose/Mickey and Amy/Rory look like Alpha Female/Beta Male relationships, and that on that superficial level they are very similar. I blame feminism.

i see the Williamses' relationship as less like Mickey & Rose and more akin like the other Williamses. Mickey tended to whine, whereas neither Rory nor Rhys are strong silent types. Rory & Rhys are married to strong, dominant women for whom fidelity was not a priority until they put on the ring (and whom we first see as adults dressed as PCs).

Plus, their daughters are fearless.

Taken as an individual, though, Rory seems a great deal like Benton. A loyal soldier, totally calm when kicking ass, unfazed when hearing or seeing something incredible (they each pissed off the Third and Eleventh Doctors when first entering the TARDIS and not stating the obvious, that it's bigger on the inside).

LeilaK: Both men initially come off as bumbling idiots (though Rory is much more educated)

Rory and Mickey both started as comic relief, but Rory never came across as a bumbling idiot. Milquetoast, yes, but not an idiot.

LeilaK: Mickey finally moved on to a more productive life with a better partner (Martha Jones)

That was total fanservice. Martha told the Doctor that she was engaged to another doctor. That was not Mickey. They were jammed together because they were both black characters. They otherwise had no reason to be together. The fact that they were shoved together for no damn reason both annoys and offends me.

Here's the other big difference: Mickey turned into a bad-ass completely off camera. We saw him as an idiot, we left him as an idiot, and he returned as a bad-ass. Rory, on the other hand, developed into a bad-ass while we watched. Sure, we weren't watching every nano-second of his 2,000 years as the last centurion, but we didn't need to- we saw him decide to do it, and we saw him having done it, and then we got some catch-up on how he did it via the museum.

Pushing a character off-camera and then having them return not-annoying is not character development. It's cheap.

The biggest weakness of the Moffat-era is that so much of it seems to be built around, "I'm going to take what RTD did and do it not crappyshiats." Rory is Mickey, minus the crappyshiats.

HopScotchNSoda: Taken as an individual, though, Rory seems a great deal like Benton. A loyal soldier, totally calm when kicking ass, unfazed when hearing or seeing something incredible (they each pissed off the Third and Eleventh Doctors when first entering the TARDIS and not stating the obvious, that it's bigger on the inside).

Nice comparison there.

*Fist-bump to a fellow old-school Whovian.*

t3knomanser: That was total fanservice. Martha told the Doctor that she was engaged to another doctor. That was not Mickey. They were jammed together because they were both black characters. They otherwise had no reason to be together. The fact that they were shoved together for no damn reason both annoys and offends me.

No, there was reason, both from a production standpoint and in terms of the characters. Davies and Moffat have had plenty of interracial couples on the shows (both Donna's first fiancé and her subsequent husband were black, Martha wanted the Doctor, Shakespeare wanted Martha, Jack tried to seduce both the CIA a55hole and Martha, Canton Delaware's lover was black, the family in "Attack of the Graske" were mixed, Toshiko always hooked up with whites, Jenny and Vastra are not even of the same class [in the taxonomic sense, not just their social ranks], much less colour).

It made sense, character-wise for Martha to end up with Mickey. Given the things she saw and did, she's going to have some form of PTSD for the rest of her life. Mickey is the only age-appropriate man on Earth who can relate to her. Sarah Jane died a spinster for want of a compatible man; Ian and Barbara married each other, Leela and Peri married aliens, Rose got 10.5.

Production-wise, it allowed for a single scene of the Doctor visiting them in "The End of Time" instead of two scenes.