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(The Week) Interesting Why Germany is thriving while much of Europe faces economic collapse   (theweek.com) divider line 341
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vpb [TotalFark]
2012-01-13 11:48:05 AM
Oh noes! shoshilizms!
 
2012-01-13 11:50:37 AM
Social Democracy is why. Everyone from Greece to Ireland to Iceland that took free market neoliberal advice is a smoking crater.
 
2012-01-13 11:54:45 AM
Because Germany is better organized and knows what the fark they are doing with their money? Because most smaller countries in the region depend on exports to Germany while Germany does not depend on them?

Or because George Soros is controlling the forex markets? Because socialism?
 
2012-01-13 11:57:22 AM
An inherited lust to take over zee vorld!
 
2012-01-13 11:58:45 AM
Cajnik: Because Germany is better organized and knows what the fark they are doing with their money? Because most smaller countries in the region depend on exports to Germany while Germany does not depend on them?

Or because George Soros is controlling the forex markets? Because socialism?


Mostly the socialism thing. Hitler must be turning over in his grave. He HATED socialists. I think he killed a fair number of them.
 
2012-01-13 12:27:51 PM
Because they're ambitious, misunderstood and have no necks?
 
2012-01-13 12:53:13 PM
miss diminutive: Because they're ambitious, misunderstood and have no necks?

Question, which is the one people like to hug?
 
2012-01-13 12:58:14 PM
Slaxl: miss diminutive: Because they're ambitious, misunderstood and have no necks?

Question, which is the one people like to hug?


Gutsy question. You're a shark.
 
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-01-13 12:59:39 PM
cameroncrazy1984: Cajnik: Because Germany is better organized and knows what the fark they are doing with their money? Because most smaller countries in the region depend on exports to Germany while Germany does not depend on them?

Or because George Soros is controlling the forex markets? Because socialism?

Mostly the socialism thing. Hitler must be turning over in his grave. He HATED socialists. I think he killed a fair number of them.


Do you know who else hates Socialists?
 
2012-01-13 01:01:09 PM
cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
Hitler must be turning over in his grave. He HATED socialists.
NAZI =National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hitler hated the communists because it was an opposing party and pretty much everyone else but he was a socialist.

Germany works because of a generally homogonous society that share values of work and order that share a language as a condition of any acceptance. The same reason the Nordic countries have a high level equality because of shared view of the social welfare of their fellow citizens without a high number trying to scam the system. A large influx of asylum seekers in the Nordics is changing the views.
 
2012-01-13 01:05:34 PM
The must have cut the taxes of their top 1% a whole lot.
 
2012-01-13 01:08:12 PM
The Master Race strikes again.
 
2012-01-13 01:08:57 PM

Germany works because of a generally homogonous society


Misspelling aside what the merry fark are you talking about?
 
2012-01-13 01:13:11 PM
No unions. It's the single control lever in any business.

No unions = success.
Unions = failure.
 
2012-01-13 01:13:38 PM
The Bush tax cuts finally paid off.
 
2012-01-13 01:14:14 PM
eurotrader: Germany works because of a generally homogonous society

So, umm, what's your Solution for countries who don't have a homogeneous society?
 
2012-01-13 01:15:29 PM
Cajnik: Because Germany is better organized and knows what the fark they are doing with their money?

This.

Hey, bag on the Huns all you want. Historically, they've given us plenty of reason to. But when it comes to keeping $#!+ tidy, efficient and on a schedule, only Japan gives 'em any competition. Which is why it still amazes me that we managed to kick both of their Axis asses at the SAME TIME once, with trains-on-time Italy tossed in for chuckles, besides.
 
2012-01-13 01:20:18 PM
Tigger [TotalFark]
Misspelling aside what the merry fark are you talking about?


When a group share similar traits they are more likely to care of their welfare of others like them. The same reason why tribal culture came about or why social groups tend to have a defined makeup by similar backgrounds and views. It could be a shared desire to continue their genes or similar genes they may share. Homogeneous I should have use spell check instead of just typing, but this is fark.
 
2012-01-13 01:20:30 PM
Tigger: Germany works because of a generally homogonous society

Misspelling aside what the merry fark are you talking about?


Germany works because it's a country. Or something like that
 
2012-01-13 01:23:08 PM
Tigger: Germany works because of a generally homogonous society

Misspelling aside what the merry fark are you talking about?


He means they don't have any darkies. When you see that, that's what that means. If you'd counter that with "Nigeria is a homogenous society", then you'd see where it goes.
 
2012-01-13 01:25:50 PM
Rapmaster2000: He means they don't have any darkies

Yeah, except they do. The best Turkish kababs are in Berlin.

Wiki for quick reference
German citizens of immigrant background (including people of partial immigrant background.): (10%)
"Foreigners" (persons without German citizenship): (8%)


Then of course you have undocumented workers
 
2012-01-13 01:29:39 PM
eurotrader: cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
Hitler must be turning over in his grave. He HATED socialists.
NAZI =National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hitler hated the communists because it was an opposing party and pretty much everyone else but he was a socialist.

Germany works because of a generally homogonous society that share values of work and order that share a language as a condition of any acceptance. The same reason the Nordic countries have a high level equality because of shared view of the social welfare of their fellow citizens without a high number trying to scam the system. A large influx of asylum seekers in the Nordics is changing the views.


So brown people fark things up? There seems to be just enough veiled racism in your post to have it deleted.
 
2012-01-13 01:36:21 PM
I could think of a reason:

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2012-01-13 01:49:52 PM
Is it because they believe a bad economy would usher in another Hitler and will do anything in their power to keep things in balance to prevent that from ever happening again?

/DRTFA
 
2012-01-13 01:55:37 PM
Rapmaster2000: No unions. It's the single control lever in any business.

No unions = success.
Unions = failure.


Uh, German unions are stronger and more prevalent than our own, and their working conditions are far beyond ours.
 
2012-01-13 02:03:03 PM
mrshowrules [TotalFark]

A reasonable person may want to dig a little before just calling racist. Try reading a little by Joaquin Arango or Dietrich Tränhardt. Roman did fine for a long time by accepting all races as long as they wanted to be Roman and had a general agreement of what that was.
 
2012-01-13 02:04:58 PM
miss diminutive: Because they're ambitious, misunderstood and have no necks?

I thought their shared physical characteristic was a strong jaw.


//At least their women all tend to have it
 
2012-01-13 02:15:31 PM
The Stealth Hippopotamus: I could think of a reason:

Sure, why not.

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2012-01-13 02:37:39 PM
mrshowrules: eurotrader: cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
Hitler must be turning over in his grave. He HATED socialists.
NAZI =National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hitler hated the communists because it was an opposing party and pretty much everyone else but he was a socialist.

Germany works because of a generally homogonous society that share values of work and order that share a language as a condition of any acceptance. The same reason the Nordic countries have a high level equality because of shared view of the social welfare of their fellow citizens without a high number trying to scam the system. A large influx of asylum seekers in the Nordics is changing the views.

So brown people fark things up? There seems to be just enough veiled racism in your post to have it deleted.


Yes, that is why it is racist for countries to attempt to teach immigrants the values of the place where they now live, and help them understand where they live. In fact, I just this morning I was in my "civics for immigrants" class here in Sweden, where the teacher, and the chapter in the book we were discussing pointed out the very fact pointed out above. Sweden has a high standard of living because people have the same view of how the society should work, and people for the most part pull their weight, and believe in the way life works here.

At no point did anyone object, or scream "you are being racist against me" not even "the brown people". Maybe it is because it is a class for people with college degrees, but everyone listened, and discussed it openly, and agreed.

/also, the Mr. Show was mediocre.
 
2012-01-13 02:41:27 PM
eurotrader: mrshowrules [TotalFark]

A reasonable person may want to dig a little before just calling racist. Try reading a little by Joaquin Arango or Dietrich Tränhardt. Roman did fine for a long time by accepting all races as long as they wanted to be Roman and had a general agreement of what that was.


I'm detecting English as a second language here. Does that mean you are bad for America's economy?
 
2012-01-13 02:47:41 PM
Teknowaffle: mrshowrules: eurotrader: cameroncrazy1984 [TotalFark]
Hitler must be turning over in his grave. He HATED socialists.
NAZI =National Socialist German Workers' Party. Hitler hated the communists because it was an opposing party and pretty much everyone else but he was a socialist.

Germany works because of a generally homogonous society that share values of work and order that share a language as a condition of any acceptance. The same reason the Nordic countries have a high level equality because of shared view of the social welfare of their fellow citizens without a high number trying to scam the system. A large influx of asylum seekers in the Nordics is changing the views.

So brown people fark things up? There seems to be just enough veiled racism in your post to have it deleted.

Yes, that is why it is racist for countries to attempt to teach immigrants the values of the place where they now live, and help them understand where they live. In fact, I just this morning I was in my "civics for immigrants" class here in Sweden, where the teacher, and the chapter in the book we were discussing pointed out the very fact pointed out above. Sweden has a high standard of living because people have the same view of how the society should work, and people for the most part pull their weight, and believe in the way life works here.

At no point did anyone object, or scream "you are being racist against me" not even "the brown people". Maybe it is because it is a class for people with college degrees, but everyone listened, and discussed it openly, and agreed.

/also, the Mr. Show was mediocre.


2 Alts agree. Wow! Nice backpedaling on your original point and not surprising that you don't have a sophisticated sense of humour.
 
2012-01-13 02:54:09 PM
eurotrader: Germany works because of a generally homogonous society that share values of work and order that share a language as a condition of any acceptance. The same reason the Nordic countries have a high level equality because of shared view of the social welfare of their fellow citizens without a high number trying to scam the system. A large influx of asylum seekers in the Nordics is changing the views.

Explain Canada then? Strong economy, and as diverse as the US.

Pluralism isn't a weakness, nor is homogeneity necessarily a strength. The key here, as TFA points out, is sensible, pragmatic, realistic leadership both in governance and in business. It is skewed neither to the left, nor to the right. Success is in the balance.

The US history is a tug of war from the extremes, and disdain for the middle majority. American HCR is an example of a policy that was built by extremists on both ends. While an improvement, it's horribly inefficient, something that no other modern social democracy could have come up with.

The history of Canada, and the recent history of the countries that you mentioned, is to govern from the middle. neither extreme works in practice.

It's not rocket science. And you can't see that, then you're probably part of the problem.

BTW- It's Canada's sensible moderate immigration policy that is fuelling our next wave of growth. Immigrants hungry to be successful in a land of opportunity. You do remember what it used to be like to be that country, don't you?
 
2012-01-13 03:18:59 PM
unyon: eurotrader: Germany works because of a generally homogonous society that share values of work and order that share a language as a condition of any acceptance. The same reason the Nordic countries have a high level equality because of shared view of the social welfare of their fellow citizens without a high number trying to scam the system. A large influx of asylum seekers in the Nordics is changing the views.

Explain Canada then? Strong economy, and as diverse as the US.

Pluralism isn't a weakness, nor is homogeneity necessarily a strength. The key here, as TFA points out, is sensible, pragmatic, realistic leadership both in governance and in business. It is skewed neither to the left, nor to the right. Success is in the balance.

The US history is a tug of war from the extremes, and disdain for the middle majority. American HCR is an example of a policy that was built by extremists on both ends. While an improvement, it's horribly inefficient, something that no other modern social democracy could have come up with.

The history of Canada, and the recent history of the countries that you mentioned, is to govern from the middle. neither extreme works in practice.

It's not rocket science. And you can't see that, then you're probably part of the problem.

BTW- It's Canada's sensible moderate immigration policy that is fuelling our next wave of growth. Immigrants hungry to be successful in a land of opportunity. You do remember what it used to be like to be that country, don't you?


Conversely, how does that explain why Iceland's economy tanked. One of the most homogeneous populations in the world. There are a handful of farkers that will actually argue that the reason the American health care insurance system doesn't work is because of an ethnically diverse population. I'm surprised they haven't tried to blame the Japan Tsunami on brown people yet.
 
2012-01-13 03:24:55 PM
mrshowrules: Conversely, how does that explain why Iceland's economy tanked. One of the most homogeneous populations in the world.

To be fair, although Iceland's economy tanked, they have virtually no poor people. However, the banking crisis was caused by deregulating the banks, and the lack of poverty is caused by socialism.
 
2012-01-13 03:33:42 PM
mrshowrules: Conversely, how does that explain why Iceland's economy tanked

Wasn't this due to deregulation of their banks?
 
2012-01-13 03:34:25 PM
Nadie_AZ: mrshowrules: Conversely, how does that explain why Iceland's economy tanked

Wasn't this due to deregulation of their banks?


You would think so but apparently it is brown people.
 
2012-01-13 03:43:08 PM
sweetmelissa31: mrshowrules: Conversely, how does that explain why Iceland's economy tanked. One of the most homogeneous populations in the world.

To be fair, although Iceland's economy tanked, they have virtually no poor people. However, the banking crisis was caused by deregulating the banks, and the lack of poverty is caused by socialism.


Many industrialized countries have virtually no poverty and that is not the accepted standard for comparing the relative strength of economies. GDP per capita is a better indicator but their are many others.

My point is that Iceland's economy collapsed because of a shift to unregulated markets and not an influx of immigrants which some other knob was arguing was an important factor.
 
2012-01-13 03:56:02 PM
Holy crow, can't any article (social, economic, whatever) ever mention Germany without mentioning Nazis? I give the article some credit before Godwinning in the second paragraph, not the first.
 
2012-01-13 03:58:49 PM
mrshowrules:

My point is that Iceland's economy collapsed because of a shift to unregulated markets and not an influx of immigrants which some other knob was arguing was an important factor.


You know who else wanted a homogenous Germany...

/surprised no one went there yet
 
2012-01-13 04:01:43 PM
DarnoKonrad: Social Democracy is why. Everyone from Greece to Ireland to Iceland that took free market neoliberal advice is a smoking crater.

you have an email
 
2012-01-13 04:08:29 PM
mrshowrules: Conversely, how does that explain why Iceland's economy tanked. One of the most homogeneous populations in the world.

Being homogenous or not has nothing to do with it. The demographics of Iceland are inline with most of Europe.


Iceland - 93% Icelandic

Hungary - Hungarian 92.3% - Economy farked
Ireland - Irish 87.4% - Economy farked
Spain - Spanish 88% (plus you have the whole Catalan mess for census numbers) - Economy Farked
Italy - Italian 92.47% - Economy farked

Germany, England and France are around 80%, and with the exception of France, are doing better economically. My own personal bias says, again, Germany and England are just traditionally better at managing their money. You can throw hegemony out the window
 
2012-01-13 04:12:51 PM
Cajnik: mrshowrules: Conversely, how does that explain why Iceland's economy tanked. One of the most homogeneous populations in the world.

Being homogenous or not has nothing to do with it. The demographics of Iceland are inline with most of Europe.


Iceland - 93% Icelandic

Hungary - Hungarian 92.3% - Economy farked
Ireland - Irish 87.4% - Economy farked
Spain - Spanish 88% (plus you have the whole Catalan mess for census numbers) - Economy Farked
Italy - Italian 92.47% - Economy farked

Germany, England and France are around 80%, and with the exception of France, are doing better economically. My own personal bias says, again, Germany and England are just traditionally better at managing their money. You can throw hegemony out the window


That is my point. Someone was arguing that Germany's economy was the strongest because it was more homogeneous which is nonsense.
 
2012-01-13 04:14:12 PM
mrshowrules: That is my point. Someone was arguing that Germany's economy was the strongest because it was more homogeneous which is nonsense.

Yeah, sorry I realized that after it posted that it was quoting you.
 
2012-01-13 04:14:58 PM
Because the rest of Europe is socialist and Germany is
 
2012-01-13 04:15:41 PM
Rapmaster2000: No unions. It's the single control lever in any business.

No unions = success.
Unions = failure.

Germany has big unions you twat!! So does the Japan autoworkers in Japan.
 
2012-01-13 04:16:36 PM
Anybody read TFA? It says it's because they're thriftier and avoid debt.
 
2012-01-13 04:16:41 PM
3 words: gold tooth stash

/look at the price of gold
 
2012-01-13 04:18:41 PM
So the righties are going with "Germany is mostly white" as their reason? I could really go for some donner kebab right about now.
 
2012-01-13 04:19:19 PM
Proficiency is a German trait. Sure Germans can get wild and crazy too, but nothing is more satisfying to the German psyche than a job well done. A German police sergeant may remark on a thoroughly burgled house as "first rate, an excellent job!".
 
2012-01-13 04:20:01 PM
GAT_00: Rapmaster2000: No unions. It's the single control lever in any business.

No unions = success.
Unions = failure.

Uh, German unions are stronger and more prevalent than our own, and their working conditions are far beyond ours.


Less adversarial though. It's easier to be less so because general laws are far more pro-employee, it being very very hard to fire anyone.
 
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