jchic: That's smart, insult your fans. That's SURE to bring them out in droves.

It might be a good way to drive down local involvement before moving your franchise to LA.

Haha...the instant I saw he bought that team I knew something funny would happen.

When your "non-fans" stop buying jerseys and Jags merchandise.....bwahahaha...nevermind, couldn't finish that one.

dletter: While I think the "For me a fan is somebody who is a season ticket holder for the Jaguars." was a bit too much, I wouldn't say that they shouldn't be listening MORE to season ticket holders, than other "fans". I mean, in what business do you NOT listen more to people who spend more on your product?

Obviously, the fans that watch on TV, listen on radio, etc contribute to the billions that TV networks are willing to pay to cover games, so, they have an indirect value that way, but, obviously not the "skin" in the game that people with season tickets do.

That really irks me, because it's the same line of thinking Jerry Richardson tried to use on the Panther fanbase during the offseason. He said he wasn't going to invest heavily in a new coach (like a Cowher) because it would cost too much, and until the fans paid him more money, it wasn't worth the investment. Which was an industrial-grade bag of bullshiat coming from the guy who spent $42 million on a contract extension for Delhomme a mere month after The Bad Day.

And besides, I live four hours from Charlotte. If I'm going to be a fan, it means buying a jersey and watching on TV. Like hell I'm going to buy a season ticket to drive to Charlotte eight times a year and pay for bloated parking and concessions.

This is just like blood libel.

When did the Iron Sheik buy a football team?

UNC_Samurai: dletter: While I think the "For me a fan is somebody who is a season ticket holder for the Jaguars." was a bit too much, I wouldn't say that they shouldn't be listening MORE to season ticket holders, than other "fans". I mean, in what business do you NOT listen more to people who spend more on your product?

Obviously, the fans that watch on TV, listen on radio, etc contribute to the billions that TV networks are willing to pay to cover games, so, they have an indirect value that way, but, obviously not the "skin" in the game that people with season tickets do.

That really irks me, because it's the same line of thinking Jerry Richardson tried to use on the Panther fanbase during the offseason. He said he wasn't going to invest heavily in a new coach (like a Cowher) because it would cost too much, and until the fans paid him more money, it wasn't worth the investment. Which was an industrial-grade bag of bullshiat coming from the guy who spent $42 million on a contract extension for Delhomme a mere month after The Bad Day.

And besides, I live four hours from Charlotte. If I'm going to be a fan, it means buying a jersey and watching on TV. Like hell I'm going to buy a season ticket to drive to Charlotte eight times a year and pay for bloated parking and concessions.

Most of these owners are just businessmen...they see teams as investments. As much as I can't stand the Cowboys, at least Jerry Jones seems to care about fielding a good product. For him it's a business, but he's also a fan. Obviously there are others, but he's one of the more notable ones...

/glad to be a Packers fan
//and part owner...even if it is only .00000000001%

Los Angeles Jaguars...that has a nice ring to it...

I have a feeling there are some trolls out in San Diego or Oakland that feel they need to take the moving LA heat off them right about now.

Non-issue and he is right. Season ticket holders should carry more weight and if you want to biatch, you better have some skin in the game.

Bunny has season tix, I just know it.....but she gives them to charity every week and spends her weekends with us in fubol threads on Fark, trying to improve the world and the human condition.

scottydoesntknow: ihatedumbpeople: Most of these owners are just businessmen...they see teams as investments. As much as I can't stand the Cowboys, at least Jerry Jones seems to care about fielding a good product. For him it's a business, but he's also a fan. Obviously there are others, but he's one of the more notable ones...

/glad to be a Packers fan
//and part owner...even if it is only .00000000001%

Jones isn't a good example because he goes the exact opposite spectrum, too much involvement. His coaches are yes men and he makes the decisions. Until Jones dies or gives up the leadership position, I don't see the Cowboys winning a championship. He's not a coach, but damn if he doesn't play one on TV.

I can see that as well, he IS way too involved...he wants to be coach, GM, offensive coordinator, etc. He should really step back and let the people he hires do their jobs.

Lt. Cheese Weasel: Bunny has season tix, I just know it.....but she gives them to charity every week and spends her weekends with us in fubol threads on Fark, trying to improve the world and the human condition.

I don't think she lives here. She would be one hell of a superfan if she had season tickets.

So say i love the jags ( i don't, i'm a fish fan, that's a other issue) and i live in canada, i should be seasons tickets, ah yes, clearly that is a good plan

Looks like Genius Khan just lost a lot of Jags fans...the ones that actually spend money on team merchandise and the like. Stupid comment

Holy smokes! Has someone told the Jaguar's ownership that they are about to taste the bitter wrath of The Consumerist??

Only suckers pay to go watch the games at the stadiums. Seriously, who can afford that these days?

/a 99%'er

If the previous owner had been able to get Tebow in the 2nd round of the draft, like he was planning to, that franchise would be much different today. Tebow is acutally from Jacksonville and is truely beloved there. He wouldn't have sold that team and he'd be making more money from locals who just might have become season ticket holders.

PsyLord: Only suckers pay to go watch the games at the stadiums. Seriously, who can afford that these days?

/a 99%'er

lean forward

If the Jags were in a better division (and I lived in JaX), I'd consider it just to watch the opposing teams.

UNC_Samurai: Like hell I'm going to buy a season ticket to drive to Charlotte eight ten times a year and pay for bloated parking and concessions.

FTFY. Don't forget the two completely worthless preseason games that you are obligated to purchase as a season ticketholder.

scottydoesntknow: Jones isn't a good example because he goes the exact opposite spectrum, too much involvement. His coaches are yes men and he makes the decisions. Until Jones dies or gives up the leadership position, I don't see the Cowboys winning a championship. He's not a coach, but damn if he doesn't play one on TV.

Are you a wizard? I made the exact same statement to a friend last week. How ironic that this is so transparent to everyone but Jones. I miss Tuna.

PsyLord: Only suckers pay to go watch the games at the stadiums. Seriously, who can afford that these days?

/a 99%'er

2 tix to a recent Cowboys game were $120. Parking was free if you're willing to walk a little bit.

/But I agree with you
//Which is why I only went to 1 game this year
///And only 'cause it was my wife's Xmas gift

They passed on Tebow, lol.

I don't care what he said. Any NFL owner with hair and a stache like that has my support. God I wish he had bought the Rams.

And a real team owner would have multiple Super Bowl Trophies.

What does Shatner think of this?

Of course he cares about the season ticket holders. That's the only revenue he probably gets to keep for himself (and maybe jersey sales/merchandise). "LA is such a huge TV market, I don't know why they don't have a team there." B/c you don't get to keep more than 1/32 of that LA TV market revenue, and it's probably not going to change the price of the national contracts much, anyway. More than half your money is from TV, and you can't get more TV money no matter where your team is. So yes, he wants to cater to the season ticket holders, b/c they actually pay him and not Green Bay, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Charlotte, etc.

HAd Season tickets for a few years, right behind the South End zone. Great seats. When the lockout was going on, I kept getting renewal notices, but didn't want to until I found out if there was going to be a season, or it it would be all 16games. There was no clause anywhere about receiving a refund if the season was shortened/cancelled... so I held off

I got a notice saying I have 10 days or I would lose my seats. Lockout still going on. I called, the lady said there was no refund policy in place in the event of a lost season.

GREEDY.

Didn't renew

You know, the Jaguars, Vikings and Raiders have to realize that they can't ALL move to Los Angeles. Two of them are going to have to either find some other city to move to or make peace with their situations.

With the 10th pick in the 2010 NFL the Jacksonville Jaguars select....DT Tyson Alualu.

With the 25th pick in the 2010 NFL the Denver Broncos select....QB Tim Tebow.

And this is why Jacksonville can't have nice things. Though whether Tebow is anything more than a half season wonderkind is debatable, the excitement and money he generated for the Broncos is indisputable.

Le Bomb Suprize: With the 10th pick in the 2010 NFL the Jacksonville Jaguars select....DT Tyson Alualu.

With the 25th pick in the 2010 NFL the Denver Broncos select....QB Tim Tebow.

And this is why Jacksonville can't have nice things. Though whether Tebow is anything more than a half season wonderkind is debatable, the excitement and money he generated for the Broncos is indisputable.

Just keeping Tebow in FL is just a no brainer. Especially when you consider that Jax is only a few hrs drive from Gainesville.

Tebow in Jacksonville would've been amazing. I'm shocked I'm the first person bringing it up...

PsyLord: Le Bomb Suprize: With the 10th pick in the 2010 NFL the Jacksonville Jaguars select....DT Tyson Alualu.

With the 25th pick in the 2010 NFL the Denver Broncos select....QB Tim Tebow.

And this is why Jacksonville can't have nice things. Though whether Tebow is anything more than a half season wonderkind is debatable, the excitement and money he generated for the Broncos is indisputable.

Just keeping Tebow in FL is just a no brainer. Especially when you consider that Jax is only a few hrs drive from Gainesville.

Tens of thousands of Gators go to the Georgia game in Jax every year, would have been a huge party with Tebow playing even if he was a .500 quarterback.

Trocadero: Of course he cares about the season ticket holders. That's the only revenue he probably gets to keep for himself (and maybe jersey sales/merchandise). "LA is such a huge TV market, I don't know why they don't have a team there." B/c you don't get to keep more than 1/32 of that LA TV market revenue, and it's probably not going to change the price of the national contracts much, anyway. More than half your money is from TV, and you can't get more TV money no matter where your team is. So yes, he wants to cater to the season ticket holders, b/c they actually pay him and not Green Bay, Cleveland, Indianapolis, Charlotte, etc.

Jersey sales are split evenly among teams. So Jacksonville is getting some money from current Tebow jersey sales. I'm not sure if normal season ticket holders give owners money, too, individually. I know that Luxury box money individual owners keep, and I think parking and concessions. Non-luxury box ticket sales are split equally amongst teams, I believe.

I don't see a problem. Minor gaffe, but I'm sure football fans in northern Florida will be eager to give a guy named Shahid Kahn a break on this one.

The dude just hired Atlanta's offensive coordinator to be his head coach. You would have to be a die hard fan to buy season tickets to watch THAT.

Is it true that season ticket holders provide the bulk of the income for the Jags (or any NFL team)? The stadium holds ~67k; how many of those are season tix?

I'm sure that the non-season tix fanbase is far larger than those with season tix. How many jerseys, hats, Sunday Tickets, etc do those fans account for? Did you include Sunday Ticket revenue from bars in the area? What about Jag fans from out of town?

Looking at this blog: Link (new window) it seems like the bulk of a teams' income is shared revenue, none of which is ticket sales.

mikaloyd: The dude just hired Atlanta's offensive coordinator to be his head coach. You would have to be a die hard fan to buy season tickets to watch THAT.

no kidding. mularkey? really?

ihatedumbpeople: Most of these owners are just businessmen...they see teams as investments.

This is the problem that I had with this asshole when he bought the team. He wasn't a FAN of the Jaguars until it became possible for him to buy the team. Then he became our biggest FAN. Bullshiat.

He tried to buy the Rams a couple of years ago and likely wasn't a FAN of them either. It's about business, not about being a FAN who bought the team that they've loved since childhood. This asshole sucks just like the shiat he bought.

/Jags FAN
//Khan can kiss my ass