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2012-01-13 09:51:12 AM
Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.
 
2012-01-13 09:53:59 AM
sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.
 
2012-01-13 10:43:24 AM
Full list is here: http://leeds.colorado.edu/news/212 (new window)

Most of them are by one Canadian company.. and they all almost look like special interest (haha) dating sites.

Alot of them look NSFW.
 
2012-01-13 11:41:56 AM
The websites found not to remove location metadata were contacted on Dec. 29, 2011, and the Leeds School team has since worked with several of those dating website companies to ensure that location metadata is removed before the survey results were publicly announced.

So you're saying we're too late?
 
2012-01-13 11:50:35 AM
me texan: Most of them are by one Canadian company.. and they all almost look like special interest (haha) dating sites.

Yeah, you weren't joking:

Deafsinglesmeet.com
Catholicsingles.com
Bikerkiss.com
Meetingmillionaires.com
sugardaddyforme.com.


Hahaha, wooot! Goodbye student loan repayments!
 
2012-01-13 12:27:37 PM
Who leaves their phone's GPS feature on 24/7 anyway? You don't need it that often and it drains your battery.

Idiots.
 
2012-01-13 12:28:26 PM
serial_crusher: sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.
 
2012-01-13 12:35:47 PM
NateAsbestos: Who leaves their phone's GPS feature on 24/7 anyway? You don't need it that often and it drains your battery.

Idiots.


Same people to take risque pictures of themselves, crop the head off, but leave the full image in the embedded thumbnail.
 
2012-01-13 12:48:34 PM
A simple digital image is getting awfully complex, lately, and most popular image manipulating and "sharing" software doesn't make it obvious just what is embedded in that image. This, of course, will have to wait for all the lawsuits to make it important to vendors. I know anybody with a lick of sense can figure this out for themselves, but that would rule out too many of us.
 
2012-01-13 01:02:32 PM
sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.

THIS

This About That: A simple digital image is getting awfully complex, lately, and most popular image manipulating and "sharing" software doesn't make it obvious just what is embedded in that image. This, of course, will have to wait for all the lawsuits to make it important to vendors. I know anybody with a lick of sense can figure this out for themselves, but that would rule out too many of us.

All JPG files and even raw files from DSLRs contain easily accessable EXIF information containing the following.
upload.wikimedia.org
This is a somewhat old image, so you don't see any geolocation data. There are fields for it though on modern cameras. I guess "right click - properties" is too many steps for people to remember.

YOU and nobody else is responsible for making sure you sanitize your data before posting it to the net.
 
2012-01-13 01:08:18 PM
ProfessorOhki: NateAsbestos: Who leaves their phone's GPS feature on 24/7 anyway? You don't need it that often and it drains your battery.

Idiots.

Same people to take risque pictures of themselves, crop the head off, but leave the full image in the embedded thumbnail.



www.jennyhow.com
 
2012-01-13 01:13:44 PM
At first I was all "how would your camera even know your gps coordinates?" then I remembered cell phones.

//Does having a real camera that can take non-shiatty pictures make me old?
//Admittedly my camera, though digital, is five years old or so too, perhaps unnecessary gps devices are standard in actual cameras too?
 
2012-01-13 01:19:20 PM
Jim_Callahan: At first I was all "how would your camera even know your gps coordinates?" then I remembered cell phones.

//Does having a real camera that can take non-shiatty pictures make me old?
//Admittedly my camera, though digital, is five years old or so too, perhaps unnecessary gps devices are standard in actual cameras too?


I THINK top of the line DSLR's will also have GPS in them for geolocation tagging. I've never played with one. I think you just get coordinates in the EXIF From it. I'm sure if it exists it's nothing cool like google maps.

/has a lowly crop sensor Canon SXI.
//And 3 grand in lenses that almost make up for it.
 
2012-01-13 01:43:57 PM
fluffy2097: I guess "right click - properties" is too many steps for people to remember.

I understand your point, and I agree with you, but also, yes, it's too much for lots of people. Picasa will do this for you, too. But you have to know what to look for. And as for the embedded thumbnails and image editing history, that's a lot harder to check for.
 
2012-01-13 01:45:32 PM
fluffy2097: sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.

THIS

This About That: A simple digital image is getting awfully complex, lately, and most popular image manipulating and "sharing" software doesn't make it obvious just what is embedded in that image. This, of course, will have to wait for all the lawsuits to make it important to vendors. I know anybody with a lick of sense can figure this out for themselves, but that would rule out too many of us.

All JPG files and even raw files from DSLRs contain easily accessable EXIF information containing the following.
[upload.wikimedia.org image 220x325]
This is a somewhat old image, so you don't see any geolocation data. There are fields for it though on modern cameras. I guess "right click - properties" is too many steps for people to remember.

YOU and nobody else is responsible for making sure you sanitize your data before posting it to the net.


Pro-tip: Most people that use their cellphone cameras & digital cameras in general aren't tech savvy. They aren't going to even KNOW that their camera is saving all this data on their images, let alone where to find it or delete it.
 
2012-01-13 01:54:12 PM
Jim_Callahan: At first I was all "how would your camera even know your gps coordinates?" then I remembered cell phones.

//Does having a real camera that can take non-shiatty pictures make me old?
//Admittedly my camera, though digital, is five years old or so too, perhaps unnecessary gps devices are standard in actual cameras too?


I've heard rumors of built-in GPS, but don't think I've ever seen one, not looking either though. I know there's devices that are shutter release remotes +GPS and can add tags later.

farm6.static.flickr.com
I use one of these sometimes, doesn't exactly have GPS, but will do the Googlesque trick of using known wi-fi networks to derive its location. Really cool little device; still don't know how they managed to fit that in there.
 
2012-01-13 01:55:09 PM
fluffy2097: Jim_Callahan: At first I was all "how would your camera even know your gps coordinates?" then I remembered cell phones.

//Does having a real camera that can take non-shiatty pictures make me old?
//Admittedly my camera, though digital, is five years old or so too, perhaps unnecessary gps devices are standard in actual cameras too?

I THINK top of the line DSLR's will also have GPS in them for geolocation tagging. I've never played with one. I think you just get coordinates in the EXIF From it. I'm sure if it exists it's nothing cool like google maps.

/has a lowly crop sensor Canon SXI.
//And 3 grand in lenses that almost make up for it.


I don't even know if the top of the line DSLR's have GPS built in. I don't think it's a feature that's caught on much in the DSLR world. I do know that you can buy modules that sit in the hotshoe and do GPS (Plus run off their own batteries so as to not drain the DSLR's power). I don't even think the new Nikon D4 has the feature and that costs a ton of money.

I considered getting a GPS module but to be honest I see it as pretty pointless because if I photograph in a location I like I have a habit of making note of the location anyway. If I need to know where it is I'll either remember it or have it written down on a map and if someone else wants to know that badly I can tell them. Perhaps most DSLR users feel the same way and thats why they aren't a common feature?
 
2012-01-13 01:57:13 PM
joness0154: Pro-tip: Most people that use their cellphone cameras & digital cameras in general aren't tech savvy. They aren't going to even KNOW that their camera is saving all this data on their images, let alone where to find it or delete it.

I get that. I just think that articles like this should be written in a "hey, here's this thing you didn't know, but you should know, so go fix what you're doing" tone, not a "omfg, facebook didn't do this stuff for you, now you're going to get raped and it's all their fault and not at all your fault" tone.
 
2012-01-13 02:01:31 PM
serial arseonist: ProfessorOhki: NateAsbestos: Who leaves their phone's GPS feature on 24/7 anyway? You don't need it that often and it drains your battery.

Idiots.

Same people to take risque pictures of themselves, crop the head off, but leave the full image in the embedded thumbnail.


[www.jennyhow.com image 256x259]


ts1.mm.bing.net
 
2012-01-13 02:11:03 PM
ProfessorOhki: Jim_Callahan: At first I was all "how would your camera even know your gps coordinates?" then I remembered cell phones.

//Does having a real camera that can take non-shiatty pictures make me old?
//Admittedly my camera, though digital, is five years old or so too, perhaps unnecessary gps devices are standard in actual cameras too?

I've heard rumors of built-in GPS, but don't think I've ever seen one, not looking either though. I know there's devices that are shutter release remotes +GPS and can add tags later.

[farm6.static.flickr.com image 500x332]
I use one of these sometimes, doesn't exactly have GPS, but will do the Googlesque trick of using known wi-fi networks to derive its location. Really cool little device; still don't know how they managed to fit that in there.


Oddly enough on sale on woot today
 
2012-01-13 02:20:01 PM
joness0154: Pro-tip: Most people that use their cellphone cameras & digital cameras in general aren't tech savvy. They aren't going to even KNOW that their camera is saving all this data on their images, let alone where to find it or delete it.

Pro tip. Life has sharp edges. Protect yourself by not falling on them instead of trying to pad every corner with foam. You CANNOT assume a website is going protect you from your own ignorance. It's not the websites responsibility.

The sound of one hand clapping: I considered getting a GPS module but to be honest I see it as pretty pointless because if I photograph in a location I like I have a habit of making note of the location anyway. If I need to know where it is I'll either remember it or have it written down on a map and if someone else wants to know that badly I can tell them. Perhaps most DSLR users feel the same way and thats why they aren't a common feature?

When I want to Geotag things, I do it via Flickr. I already know basically where I was when I took the shot so it's not hard to find it on a map and say "I was here"

GPS on my phone is always off unless I'm navigating somewhere. wastes batteries.
 
2012-01-13 04:52:12 PM
I have a Canon SX230 pocket size camera, $250 or so, and it has built in GPS. Not only will it tag photos, but it will create a bread crumb type trail (like a "real" GPS). The Canon software will overlay all your pictures on a Google maps page. It can be handy when you're taking photos on the move but it really eats the battery.
 
2012-01-13 04:55:59 PM
fluffy2097:
I THINK top of the line DSLR's will also have GPS in them for geolocation tagging. I've never played with one. I think you just get coordinates in the EXIF From it. I'm sure if it exists it's nothing cool like google maps.

/has a lowly crop sensor Canon SXI.
//And 3 grand in lenses that almost make up for it.


I have a Canon EOS Rebel series camera from, like I said, five or so years back. Grabbing the properties data from the pictures I have on this machine, it looks like there's almost no tagging whatsoever, probably because I never bothered setting its internal clock. This would be on default settings, as well.

Which is what I rather suspected, honestly, given that the batteries can go for quite a long while without draining. GPS isn't a trivial user of power.
 
2012-01-13 05:02:20 PM
sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.

The purpose behind the study was to help websites close a security loophole that could cause clients to unknowingly reveal sensitive data (such as a residence's Lat-Long) to a malicious website user.

You may study the data retention behavior of every technology you pick up, thoroughly read every EULA you agree to, and be able to masterfully hack on a low level each device you own, and that's good for you.

Most people have other lives to lead and must take a deep breath and hope to not get screwed too hard when it hits the fan. The act of someone checking out these security holes and getting them closed is heroic. It costs society practically nothing, and makes it more difficult for would-be rapists to stalk their victims.

If you're opposed to a private individual taking on this project, you either support making it easy for sexual deviants to stalk victims, or are pissed off because you were doing it yourself and will have to resort to other methods. In either case, screw you, pal.

/I feel like I just fed a troll
 
2012-01-13 05:10:16 PM
sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.

Oh, a "big evil corporations" reason that the websites would WANT to do this:

A lot of websites have free trial periods that enable you to look around at the other clients' photos, profiles, etc., but you have to get through the pay wall in order to contact people, or reveal more information than a first name.

Leaving in the geotags would allow people to transmit their location to other people without having to pay, thus, the real reason why the company wants to strip that information out.

It has nothing at all to do with caring about the customers, and everything to do with protecting their bottom line.

So now I've gone from "screw you and the horse you rode in on" to "screw the evil corporations, who charge us a monthly fee to make friends".

I need to increase my dosage.
 
2012-01-13 05:31:00 PM
rolladuck: sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.

Oh, a "big evil corporations" reason that the websites would WANT to do this:

A lot of websites have free trial periods that enable you to look around at the other clients' photos, profiles, etc., but you have to get through the pay wall in order to contact people, or reveal more information than a first name.

Leaving in the geotags would allow people to transmit their location to other people without having to pay, thus, the real reason why the company wants to strip that information out.

It has nothing at all to do with caring about the customers, and everything to do with protecting their bottom line.

So now I've gone from "screw you and the horse you rode in on" to "screw the evil corporations, who charge us a monthly fee to make friends".

I need to increase my dosage.


You know, if one was to post an image on a dating site and fill the, let's say, the manufacturer field with, "If you're reading this, here's my e-mail address ;)" I'd say anyone who responded would be a cut above the average site user. Maybe also sort of creepy, but at least brighter.
 
2012-01-13 06:11:38 PM
ProfessorOhki: Same people to take risque pictures of themselves, crop the head off, but leave the full image in the embedded thumbnail.

i60.photobucket.com
 
2012-01-13 08:38:05 PM
sponkster: Since when is it their responsibility to edit the submissions of their clients. If you want to upload photos with geolocation meta data in it go for it. If you don't know about it, shame on you.

So you only want dudes from IT departments on dating sites?
 
2012-01-13 08:42:55 PM
DaJesus: ProfessorOhki: Same people to take risque pictures of themselves, crop the head off, but leave the full image in the embedded thumbnail.

[i60.photobucket.com image 400x305]


Do you have the original of that? For research, you know...
 
2012-01-14 01:20:08 AM
Remember this next time you send bie.
 
2012-01-14 10:43:05 AM
If you want a free program that allows you to edit embedded comments, try VuePrint (new window) From Hamrick software. It cost me $40 15 years ago, but he kept upgrading it to keep up with the times, then made it free.
Another easy way to delete the comments is to copy the image (Ctrl C), then paste (Ctrl V) it into whatever photo program you have. The comments are not copied with the photo.
 
2012-01-14 11:23:53 AM
DirkTheDaring: Here are the pics of naked women wrestling in oil that I took last summer. It should go with out saying, but ALL OF THESE PICS ARE NSFW!

I took all of these pictures on July 16th, 2011.

Here is a picture of naked women wrestling in oil.
Here is another.
A pattern is developing.
More naked goodness.
Again, these are pictures of naked women.
Cooling Down

I'm making a .zip file of the full pic set, which I will link later. It will also be NSFW.


Cross posting. All the pictures Dirk posted have their embedded comments intact So it's not just dating sites that don't strip the info. Take heed Farkers!
/Dirk, your Canon EOS REBEL T2i takes some really really nice pics ;-)
 
2012-01-14 02:28:50 PM
NateAsbestos: Who leaves their phone's GPS feature on 24/7 anyway? You don't need it that often and it drains your battery.

Idiots.


The GPS is inactive unless you have an app open that uses it. My GPS is never shut off and my battery life isn't affected. I'm talking about Android, maybe other phones are different.
 
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