She was pining for the fjords.

FTA: "The philanthropist who was crushed by a shopping cart that two preteen punks dropped from four stories above at a Harlem mall..."

"The pint-sized perps were slapped with felony assault charges and confessed to the despicable act while laughing about it in police custody."

How about putting them in a cart and shoving them off at the exact same spot?

You know, in cases like this where the victim actually died, I'm good with having a murder charge levied instead of assault. The person was dead and would have remained that way without outside interference.

"There's a big difference between mostly dead and all dead. Mostly dead is slightly alive."

What is with the "cute" language to describe the two little sociopaths?
"remorseless runts", "pint-sized perps", "young goons" -- it's as if the author was trying to get a laugh out of something horrible, writing crap like that....

me texan: You know, in cases like this where the victim actually died, I'm good with having a murder charge levied instead of assault. The person was dead and would have remained that way without outside interference.

I think that's a good idea. Similarly, some guy here just shot a hole in his apartment floor and missed his neighbor's two-year-old by inches. I feel like if some miracle occurs and someone doesn't die, that shouldn't help your case.

Does it count as murder or attempted murder?

The philanthropist who was crushed by a shopping cart that two preteen punks dropped from four stories above at a Harlem mall was technically dead at the scene

Everyone knows that's the best kind of dead.

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Criminal mischief seems appropriate. Anything more will likely get tossed out in court... These kids couldn't have known there was a person below them when they did this, they just wanted to see what would happen to the cart. We all did similar things as teens, it doesn't make us murderers.

The lack of empathy by the children after discovering what happened says otherwise. Throw the book at them, from a 4 story parking garage.

me texan: You know, in cases like this where the victim actually died, I'm good with having a murder charge levied instead of assault. The person was dead and would have remained that way without outside interference.

by law, at least in my state, death is defined by irreversible cardio-pulmonary cessation. it being reversible categorically means that death never occurred.

I want to throw the book at them, but then you start thinking, 12 years old.

I mean, 12 years old. it has to be possible that they can be saved. I remember that famous guy who was a 12 year old rebel fighter in africa who has gone on to speak against children soldier indoctrination and tries to help the world. I mean, he was walking around drugged up with an AK as a pre-teen working with a paramilitary group, and now he's a leader of this movement against such violence.

the scary part is that we have a society in america that can create children that are about as callous as the children raised on AKs and cocaine in paramilitary groups in africa.

/ btw, children scare me much more than adults. they don't have functioning frontal lobes. children, given the opportunity, are much more likely to commit murder than adults in the same situation. the bible was right, they're natural born sinners.

Chinchillazilla: me texan: You know, in cases like this where the victim actually died, I'm good with having a murder charge levied instead of assault. The person was dead and would have remained that way without outside interference.

I think that's a good idea. Similarly, some guy here just shot a hole in his apartment floor and missed his neighbor's two-year-old by inches. I feel like if some miracle occurs and someone doesn't die, that shouldn't help your case.

I agree with your Kantian approach to criminal justice. It is the intent that is condemnable, not the result. Ineffective criminals shouldn't be given leniency for their ineffectiveness.

although, that means that the guy on the Big Bang Theory show is a mass murder for all the times he's tried to explode people's heads with his mind

Teen Wolf Blitzer: Criminal mischief seems appropriate. Anything more will likely get tossed out in court... These kids couldn't have known there was a person below them when they did this, they just wanted to see what would happen to the cart. We all did similar things as teens, it doesn't make us murderers.

Except they were joking around and not horrified that a woman was nearly killed and has a profoundly changed life as a result. I get what you're saying, but most people would be shocked and upset that they actually hurt someone doing something that yes, all stupid kids try. We once tried to "play space camp" with my sister -- the plan was to hook a rocking chair over the balcony and tie my sister in with belts and Nintendo controllers. If we'd done it, she would have been hurt badly at the very least and we'd have been HORRIFIED even though we were just playing what seemed like a logical game to our kid brains.

Hrist: Really? They should be charged with attempted murder and felony assault.

What about depraved indifference? Seems like that would be pretty easy to prove, but then again, I just have my GED in law.

Doesn't see what the big deal is.