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Can we not do this again kthx.

I thought the vote was all for show anyway. So the people want to look like they oppose big government can act like they do and still support big government.

EvilEgg: I thought the vote was all for show anyway. So the people want to look like they oppose big government can act like they do and still support big government.

That's what Huelskamp is talking about. Leaders in congress will allow a certain number of members to vote against the measure to give them political cover.

The GOP House approved the debt-ceiling deal, but many Republicans have objected to the debt-ceiling hikes called for in that legislation.

There's more lines in the article that draw that out, but there's the nutshell.
"Yes, we will extort terrible measures that will hurt the economy, in exchange for not utterly destroying it, by agreeing to raise the debt ceiling, but only in three pieces, each of which we get to say we're against and thus present you as the only party responsible, while we agree to pretend to sit down and talk to your party's Congressmen to cut the deficit, so long as you agree that we're not required to make any mathematical effort to actually achieve that end, and you allow us to waive the fail-safe automatic spending cuts, because those cuts would damage our ability to send our poor people to the Middle East to kill and be killed by non-Christians of our choosing."

And you wonder why Congress has an approval rating roughly similar to that of being sodomized by a whale.

The White House agreed not to make an official request to raise the debt ceiling until now so that Congress could vote on the matter.

Does that imply he could have raised it during the recess?

Diogenes: The White House agreed not to make an official request to raise the debt ceiling until now so that Congress could vote on the matter.

Does that imply he could have raised it during the recess?

The limit is raised automatically. It requires both houses to vote against the hike to prevent it from being raised.

I'm farking sick of Fartbongo spending all of this money.

I think we should have a Constitutional amendment saying that Congress gets to control spending and the budget.

Diogenes: The White House agreed not to make an official request to raise the debt ceiling until now so that Congress could vote on the matter.

Does that imply he could have raised it during the recess?

The debt limit deal says Congress has 15 days after the POTUS requests a limit increase to vote against it. He could have made that request during the 'recess', and it would have fallen on Congress to come back in session to vote against it.

Great. The House GOP are going to make a stupid stand and fark up our economy again like last summer.

There goes the stock market again, along with my 401k.

I love one of the comments on that site.

"...when will Republicans grow a pair and just say no."

They've been doing nothing but saying no and trying to attack NPR and abortion rights, and destroy Medicare as we know it.

Summer Glau's Love Slave: I just know I'm going to regret this...

Can someone plese explain to me exactly how, "the debt fight offers a chance for House Republicans, battered in December in a fight with Democrats over extending a payroll tax cut, to score political points against Obama."

Serious question, because I truly do not understand how this sort of thinking works. Seems to me that this is nothing but political suicide for the republicans.

/Young and naive.
//Just trying to learn the system.
///2012 will be the first election in which I can vote.

Their supporters will circle the wagons, and they'll have another mini-purge where any Republican that steps out of line becomes a RINO and gets a Tea Party primary challenge, and the party will be one step closer to implosion.

GanjSmokr: Thought I heard this morning on the radio that Obama could just veto it through if congress or senate votes it down. Was I misinformed?

Nope, it's even in TFA.

I love how 'pubs are blaming the executive for out of control spending when they are the morons who control spending. Glass houses and all that.

Type_Hard: Diogenes: The White House agreed not to make an official request to raise the debt ceiling until now so that Congress could vote on the matter.

Does that imply he could have raised it during the recess?

The debt limit deal says Congress has 15 days after the POTUS requests a limit increase to vote against it. He could have made that request during the 'recess', and it would have fallen on Congress to come back in session to vote against it.

Well since they were in session the whole time, why didn't he just put it to them to vote on already?

/if they want to play the game, you play the game with them
//but you play to win
///THAT'S the Chicago way

9beers: How can anybody support this? Stop farking spending money we don't have. Obama supporters, tell me what I'm missing?

Reagan proved deficits don't matter.

9beers: How can anybody support this? Stop farking spending money we don't have. Obama supporters, tell me what I'm missing?



See the dip where FDR cuts spending? We want to avoid that.

We'd have weathered this just fine if we hadn't had the Bush Tax cuts(which Obama extended *grumble*) drive up the deficit.

soy_bomb: Except when George Bush was in office, then it was all his fault for the out-of-control spending.

The Bush Administration manufactured lies to drag us into two trillion-dollar wars, and the GOP in the legislature bankrupted the nation with "temporary" tax cuts for the rich, all to the battle-cry of "Reagan proved deficits don't matter". But now that Obama is in the White House you are all born-again deficit hawks.

Sorry, I don't buy your new persona.

The boost will be the third and final increase to the ceiling under the debt-limit deal struck in August, and is intended to cover the government's borrowing through the 2012 elections. The summer deal states that the increase would be effective in 15 days without action by Congress.

Not much they can do about it, really... It'll be the usual GOP Dog and Pony Show, I'm sure, though.

Giltric: meat0918: 9beers: How can anybody support this? Stop farking spending money we don't have. Obama supporters, tell me what I'm missing?

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See the dip where FDR cuts spending? We want to avoid that.

We'd have weathered this just fine if we hadn't had the Bush Tax cuts(which Obama extended *grumble*) drive up the deficit.

Why would we want to avoid that dip or cuts.....it seems like those cuts are what spurred the growth of the GDP in your chart.

They spent another 5 billion after that, AND you have to ignore the money we made selling stuff to other countries as Germany started invading countries and someone (the US) stepped in to fill the production gap.