Twink hunts are still okay, then?

"Game and Fish"? I've never heard it phrased that way. Always "Fish and Game".

WTF is an illegal bear?

What is it about Americans that they want to kill off the local wildlife?

It's not sporting.

If you're a top official in the Game and Fish Department, you probably shouldn't take your friends out on illegal bear hunts WITHOUT DYNOMITE.

It's not like he has to worry about the game warden

/just sayin'

People will always abuse any position of trust or authority they have. It isn't that power corrupts, its that power itself is corruption. And anyone seeking power is to be distrusted as they are seeking the means to manifest their inherent corruption.

AverageAmericanGuy: Twink hunts are still okay, then?

I guess there be some sport in stalking them, but it's a lot easier to kick back with a few beers and just dangle a worm.


Don't use live bait, though. Baiting the hook is a pain.

But wouldn't they know where the best hunting would be?

RembrandtQEinstein: People will always abuse any position of trust or authority they have. It isn't that power corrupts, its that power itself is corruption. And anyone seeking power is to be distrusted as they are seeking the means to manifest their inherent corruption.

That's a well put thought. Not sure if it's true, but I'm gonna kick it around at the fireplace this evening with a tweed jacket and some crack.

I'm just going to ignore how much his behavior pisses me off and just say...

wait, people still wear that mustache outside of Old West reenactments?

lunkhed: What is it about Americans that they want to kill off the local wildlife?

It's not sporting.

Regulated sport hunting consistently leads to *INCREASES* in game populations, not decreases. Sound like a paradox? It isn't: Hunters that do it for the sport, as opposed to those who do it for money or just to survive, enjoy it enough that they want to keep on doing it, so they are at the forefront of conservation of habitat, and of any one group, they contribute more actual dollars to that goal than any other group. For example Ducks Unlimited has been responsible for conserving over 12 million acres of wetlands. That's because they want ducks and geese to thrive, so that they can continue to hunt them in the future. Those wetlands don't just benefit the waterfowl, though, but all the species that live in them, including non-game species.

dittybopper: lunkhed: What is it about Americans that they want to kill off the local wildlife?

It's not sporting.

Regulated sport hunting consistently leads to *INCREASES* in game populations, not decreases. Sound like a paradox? It isn't: Hunters that do it for the sport, as opposed to those who do it for money or just to survive, enjoy it enough that they want to keep on doing it, so they are at the forefront of conservation of habitat, and of any one group, they contribute more actual dollars to that goal than any other group. For example Ducks Unlimited has been responsible for conserving over 12 million acres of wetlands. That's because they want ducks and geese to thrive, so that they can continue to hunt them in the future. Those wetlands don't just benefit the waterfowl, though, but all the species that live in them, including non-game species.

Plus it fills up the freezer with some pretty tasty meat.

/currently have some elk and deer meat plus a few steelhead, walleye, kokanee and cutthroat trout in my freezer.
/variety is the spice of life

dittybopper: lunkhed: What is it about Americans that they want to kill off the local wildlife?

It's not sporting.

Regulated sport hunting consistently leads to *INCREASES* in game populations, not decreases. Sound like a paradox? It isn't: Hunters that do it for the sport, as opposed to those who do it for money or just to survive, enjoy it enough that they want to keep on doing it, so they are at the forefront of conservation of habitat, and of any one group, they contribute more actual dollars to that goal than any other group. For example Ducks Unlimited has been responsible for conserving over 12 million acres of wetlands. That's because they want ducks and geese to thrive, so that they can continue to hunt them in the future. Those wetlands don't just benefit the waterfowl, though, but all the species that live in them, including non-game species.

I'd just like to argue a tiny point here. The people doing it for money/survival* are paying as well. They also have to pay for hunting licenses and habit stamps. They are paying the same taxes on their gear. They are just as likely to belong to conservation societies for the breeds and pay attention to regulation changes and vote for state legislatures that protect wild areas and state land. Now they are less likely to pay for out-of-state licenses for hunts, (which are much pricier) and travel to other locations to hunt (so not bringing tourist dollars into the area), or apply for difficult to obtain licenses (desert bighorn sheep, mountain goat, bear) and stick with elk/deer/moose.

*By money I assume you mean people who lease out their land to hunters or make money as guides, not poachers.

Jerkwater: "Game and Fish"? I've never heard it phrased that way. Always "Fish and Game".

depends on the state. Plenty of agencies are "game and fish" and not "fish and game"

/breaking news, sometimes things are different from where you live

dittybopper: lunkhed: What is it about Americans that they want to kill off the local wildlife?

It's not sporting.

Regulated sport hunting consistently leads to *INCREASES* in game populations, not decreases. Sound like a paradox? It isn't: Hunters that do it for the sport, as opposed to those who do it for money or just to survive, enjoy it enough that they want to keep on doing it, so they are at the forefront of conservation of habitat, and of any one group, they contribute more actual dollars to that goal than any other group. For example Ducks Unlimited has been responsible for conserving over 12 million acres of wetlands. That's because they want ducks and geese to thrive, so that they can continue to hunt them in the future. Those wetlands don't just benefit the waterfowl, though, but all the species that live in them, including non-game species.


THIS


Same goes for fishermen, both fresh and saltwater. Sport fishermen raise millions each year to preserve as much water and surrounding land as possible for continued good fishing. All species in and around those waters and shores benefit.

lunkhed: What is it about Americans that they want to kill off the local wildlife?

It's not sporting.

never been hunting I take it?

So you eat bear as well as beaver?

lunkhed: What is it about Americans that they want to kill off the local wildlife?

It's not sporting.

You know, I thought you were being a troll until I really thought about it. You're right, Americans just want to blast away everything in sight. That's why when you visit France or England the hotels are offering guided tours in the thick woods around each town to observe the wolf packs in action. The only thing restraining the English is their calm refusal to hunt, not the fact that they farking clear-cut practically the entire island and decimated the local species generations ago so the only they could hunt would be the bunnies in their neighbor's back garden hutch. American hunters have given us nothing except the national park & forest system, millions of dollars a year in conservation revenue, protections for migrating species, and tax breaks for farmers and ranchers if they let part of their property remain wild and good forage for animals.

RembrandtQEinstein: People will always abuse any position of trust or authority they have. It isn't that power corrupts, its that power itself is corruption. And anyone seeking power is to be distrusted as they are seeking the means to manifest their inherent corruption.

I'm starting to think that way. If you have authority, you aren't to be trusted. And I don't mean that in a "Don't trust the pigs, maaaannn" sort of way. I mean that I've come to look at anyone who has any kind of authority as someone who probably lied, cheated, and stabbed everyone else in the back to get that authority.

Feed them corn all year and sit in a tree waiting for them doesn't work for bears? Dang bears just don't know sporting.

thesubliminalman: Feed them corn all year and sit in a tree waiting for them doesn't work for bears? Dang bears just don't know sporting.

My husband found the "give up, go back to the truck, unload, turn on the game on the radio and wander away for a piss" to be a great method for attracting bear. Poor bear who just wanted to know the score gets startled by some guy running around with his pants undone and then shot.

mikecc: WTF is an illegal bear?

Putting a big-game hunt outfitter in charge of an agency responsible for regulating big-game hunting? That sounds like a good idea. Literally making the fox guard the hen-house.

I'm shocked they actually pressed charges instead of sweeping it under the (bear-skin) rug. Good on them.

cefm: Putting a big-game hunt outfitter in charge of an agency responsible for regulating big-game hunting? That sounds like a good idea. Literally making the fox guard the hen-house.

I'm shocked they actually pressed charges instead of sweeping it under the (bear-skin) rug. Good on them.

Well...not literally.