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(CNN)   Romney: any focus on the massive wealth gap is just "envy." He then proceeded to consume a kilo of beluga caviar in front of a homeless man, pausing to burble, "Ugh. I don't know if I can finish this"   (money.cnn.com) divider line 206
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2012-01-12 10:22:05 PM
Dude is just playing the douchebag to win the Republican nomination.
As soon as it's him vs Obama he won't be saying anything like that.
 
2012-01-12 10:23:01 PM

Launch Code: serpent_sky: Vodka Zombie: I'm surprised the conservative mentality of "I got mine, fark you!" plays as well as it does in this country.

I don't think it will in the long run. Say what you like about the Occupy Wall Street movement, but the one thing they did do was bring said discussion out into the open. The more people who can't make ends meet, the more people who won't buy into a millionaire essentially saying "you are jealous of ME."

All the ows stinkhippies did was show America how annoying, disruptive and disgusting the taker class can be when they collectively through a temper tantrum.


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2012-01-12 10:24:49 PM

Aigoo: I actually agree with his "merit-based" thinking. That's kinda what we're supposed to be doing in this country.

But the rest of what he said? Not only will it bite him (as it should), but my feelings were summed up so very well by others:

JungleBoogie: AdolfOliverPanties: You know that feeling you get when you step in dog shiat?

A warm and squishy feeling?

That's the same feeling I get when I see Mitt Romney. An instant visceral disgust.

Oh right, that's what I meant too. "Instant visceral disgust."

Also, the guy is a mannequin. Or a zombie with a really good makeup artist. I'm not sure which.


Seriously. I'm sure I've seen him in a department store window multiple times. The consummate politician.

Obama's done more in the last week to piss me off than i ever thought possible, but even signing something as evil and the NDAA he's still solid gold compared to the best garbage the GOP can puke up.

/Independent, NOT dem
//Would go with Paul, but fark his stupid sky daddy in the ass.
 
2012-01-12 10:30:48 PM
I believe in a merit nation, an opportunity nation where people by virtue of their education, their hard work and risk taking and their dreams -- may be a little luck -- could achieve great things

Will he let us know when he finds it?
 
2012-01-12 10:32:38 PM

humanshrapnel: mrshowrules: Vodka Zombie: I'm surprised the conservative mentality of "I got mine, fark you!" plays as well as it does in this country.

Someone once said that there are no poor people in the US, just temporarily embarrassed millionaires.

"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires." ~ noted pinko commie John Steinbeck


So true. Thanks for the full reference.
 
2012-01-12 10:32:47 PM
There isn't homelessness because some people have loads of money.
 
2012-01-12 10:34:19 PM

GaryPDX: Vodka Zombie: I'm surprised the conservative mentality of "I got mine, fark you!" plays as well as it does in this country.

That's not a Conservative mentality. What is more accurate is "I got mine, go get yours." We live in a country where a poor black boy can grow up to be a rich white woman and still make millions after being dead. What a country!


15 years ago I'd agree with you but the times have changed and apparently you are stuck in the past my friend
 
2012-01-12 10:35:43 PM

whatshisname: I believe in a merit nation, an opportunity nation where people by virtue of their education, their hard work and risk taking and their dreams -- may be a little luck -- could achieve great things

Will he let us know when he finds it?


Wow. Lotta variables there that people have no control over. Education? Yeah, cause everyone gets accepted to the ivory league school they apply to. Risk taking? It's a lot easier to take financial risks when you have enough money to gamble with. Luck? LUCK? Really? I need to explain that one?
 
2012-01-12 10:40:48 PM
Well, not that I was going to but I know for sure now that I'll never vote for him.
 
2012-01-12 10:41:57 PM

Cagey B: posing for a pretty stupid picture


I was expecting a link to the shoe picture that NHA posted
 
2012-01-12 10:43:24 PM
LAUER: When you said that we already have a leader who divides us with the bitter politics of envy, I'm curious about the word 'envy.' Did you suggest that anyone who questions the policies and practices of Wall Street and financial institutions, anyone who has questions about the distribution of wealth and power in this country, is envious? Is it about jealousy, or fairness?

ROMNEY: You know, I think it's about envy. I think it's about class warfare. When you have a president encouraging the idea of dividing America based on the 99 percent versus one percent - and those people who have been most successful will be in the one percent - you have opened up a whole new wave of approach in this country which is entirely inconsistent with the concept of one nation under God. The American people, I believe in the final analysis, will reject it.

LAUER: Yeah but envy? Are there no fair questions about the distribution of wealth without it being seen as 'envy,' though?

ROMNEY: I think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms and discussions about tax policy and the like. But the president has made it part of his campaign rally. Everywhere he goes we hear him talking about millionaires and billionaires and executives and Wall Street. It's a very envy-oriented, attack-oriented approach and I think it will fail.


Wow. A month ago, I thought he'd pretty much bottomed out as an unbelievable unmitigated douchebag.

Now this.

I can't wait to see what depths he'll reach by next month.
 
2012-01-12 10:43:28 PM

Vodka Zombie: I'm surprised the conservative mentality of "I got mine, fark you!" plays as well as it does in this country.


There's this Onion article from Bush's reelection:

Nation's Poor Win Election For Nation's Rich

NOVEMBER 10, 2004 | ISSUE 40•45

"WASHINGTON, DC-The economically disadvantaged segment of the U.S. population provided the decisive factor in another presidential election last Tuesday, handing control of the government to the rich and powerful once again.

"The Republican party-the party of industrial mega-capitalists, corporate financiers, power brokers, and the moneyed elite-would like to thank the undereducated rural poor, the struggling blue-collar workers in Middle America, and the God-fearing underpriviledged minorities who voted George W. Bush back into office," Karl Rove, senior advisor to Bush, told reporters at a press conference Monday. "You have selflessly sacrificed your well-being and voted against your own economic interest. For this, we humbly thank you."

Added Rove: "You have acted beyond the call of duty-or, for that matter, good sense. ..."
 
2012-01-12 10:43:36 PM

PullItOut: Launch Code: serpent_sky: Vodka Zombie: I'm surprised the conservative mentality of "I got mine, fark you!" plays as well as it does in this country.

I don't think it will in the long run. Say what you like about the Occupy Wall Street movement, but the one thing they did do was bring said discussion out into the open. The more people who can't make ends meet, the more people who won't buy into a millionaire essentially saying "you are jealous of ME."

All the ows stinkhippies did was show America how annoying, disruptive and disgusting the taker class can be when they collectively through a temper tantrum.

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2012-01-12 10:43:46 PM

Cagey B: FlashHarry: this whole "envy" thing is going to come back and bite him in the ass during the general. the ads just make themselves: shots of people lined up for unemployment, contrasted with romney repeating his "envy" claim.

it's his "let them eat cake."

He has like fifteen of those by now. There's the whole "corporations are people too" thing, the "I know what it's like to be afraid of losing my job" one, posing for a pretty stupid picture, etc. This one moment hardly seems to change anything.


Romney has been so wealthy for so long even when he's trying to seem like a normal human being, he comes off like a douche: (new window)

He told how the doctor left the couple alone after giving his wife Ann a battery of neurological tests, some of which she clearly failed.

"We stood up and hugged each other and I said, 'As long as it's not something fatal I'm just fine,' " Romney told Wallace.

"She said, 'Look, I can't cook any more.' At the time the disease was diagnosed was really tough for her. . . She was tired all the time. She couldn't take care of the family in the way she had," Romney said.

"I said, 'Look I don't care what the meals are like. I like cold cereal and peanut butter sandwiches. We can do fine with that as long as we have each other,' " he said.


I mean, he probably meant well, but anyone else would offer to make the food. He barely seems like a real person.

Actually, the entire Republican field this election has been so alarmingly bad I'll probably vote for Obama again. Romney should understand this - I don't reward people just because they think they deserve it.
 
2012-01-12 10:43:50 PM
Say what you will about Romney, he's really got his finger on the pulse of America.
 
2012-01-12 10:47:20 PM

ramblinwreck: Allen. The end.: ultraholland: "I think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms..." is a rewording of "there should be no public discourse on these matters"

JUt what I was thinking (as was he). Awful.

Mormons are notorious for this type of thing.


A popular Mormon saying: "When our leaders speak, the thinking has been done."
 
2012-01-12 10:50:13 PM

FlashHarry: this whole "envy" thing is going to come back and bite him in the ass during the general. the ads just make themselves: shots of people lined up for unemployment, contrasted with romney repeating his "envy" claim.

it's his "let them eat cake."


Pretty much. Anyway, the constant miscategorization of what all the economic protests are about isn't surprising, but is maddening. I am not angry that some people have more money than me. I am angry that the wealthiest can rewrite the rules to their own benefit at the expense of our society.

IMO:
1. A lot of the tax loopholes need to go. I am not saying we need to apply a lot of new taxes to corporations and multimillionaires/billionaires; I'm saying they need to pay the ones they currently aren't.

2. Limit the outsourcing of jobs by "American" companies. People can biatch all the want about unions, but they are historically what has kept our working conditions from becoming the shiatpiles of the countries that are outsourced to. Call it the price of doing business in America.

3. We need better funding for the social mechanisms that people are supposed to be able to better themselves with, namely schools and libraries. If you're going to claim that poor people are poor because of choices they made, those choices have to exist.
 
2012-01-12 10:50:16 PM

creepy freak: Dude is just playing the douchebag to win the Republican nomination.
As soon as it's him vs Obama he won't be saying anything like that.


The result will be the same either way. A motivated minority of voters or a lackluster appeal to a larger base.
 
2012-01-12 10:50:53 PM
It's really too bad. I met his old man when he was governor of Michigan a few times when I was a kid, and he was a genuinely nice guy to me. It's not like he was sucking up to me so I'd vote for him, I was like 10-12 years old. He got a kick out of shooting the shiat with us kids, even though I'm sure he had better things to do. Kids can spot phonies at that age. Mitt was a few years older than I was. Well, he still is, I guess.

Anyway, his old man didn't start out rich and being head of GM and then governor didn't seem to change him from being a pretty regular kind of guy.

I'd like to think the son was like the old man, but perhaps having money from a young age changes things. At least Mit would have seen the destruction of the US car industry (the family business) and the way it completely devastated the middle class in Michigan (his home). You'd think he'd be able to connect the dots and see that happening to the US in general. It's not brain surgery, after all.

The collapse of the US car industry was the result of poor management, for instance, having GM run by guys out of accounting or marketing instead of engineering, and also the government not taking any steps at all to protect American industries when Japanese car-industries in bed with the (Japanese) government were eating our lunch. Some very minimal tariffs would have allowed Detroit to get some breathing space and the US would have a viable blue collar middle class instead of the Walmart-ized economy it has now.

You'd think Mit would see that, and state it plainly. If he (or anyone else) said that, he'd win 80% of the vote, and America would start back on the right track.

It's not a question of politics, just self interest (even by the 1% in the long run) and common sense.
 
2012-01-12 10:51:34 PM
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2012-01-12 10:54:51 PM
No, Mitt. Focus on wealth disparity isn't envy and class warfare, it's focus on a symptom that society is sick. You were only able to accumulate that much money because the tax rules in this country have been so bent and tortured over the last 30 years that capital gains and estate taxes have ceased to be meaningful.

That is a recipe for those with money to freely use that capital to make more money without paying a cent in taxes. In the simplified 3 factor model of economics: land, labor, capital-- we have skewed our tax code so that if it's your labor that you used to make money you pay taxes. If it's your land you use to make money, you pay taxes... but if it's your capital you use to make money you pay nothing. Throw in the lack of an estate tax and you have a recipe for American aristocracy... not the "merit" society that the millionaire son-of-a-millionaire thinks produced his success.
 
2012-01-12 10:54:51 PM

Vodka Zombie: I'm surprised the conservative mentality of "I got mine, fark you!" plays as well as it does in this country.


Especially when these same people claim to be christian and that goes against what Christ stands for.

/Independent Christian
 
2012-01-12 10:58:22 PM
"I can see my houses from here!" ~ M. Romney

/This guy is so oit of touch.
//Obama's gonna humiliate him.
 
2012-01-12 11:00:40 PM
A quick question: Just why does the charge of, "My opponent is engaging in Class Warfare" work? Where did this rhetorical tactic come from, and why does it work so well in the USA?

It doesn't play so well in Europe, perhaps because they used to have a fairly rigid and formal aristocratic class system, and they had to engage in class warfare to break down these barriers and allow the democratisation of political power.

Is it because the USA has a belief that it is classless?

Is the USA actually classless? It doesn't have a formal aristocratic structure, but it certainly has 'families', 'dynasties', and the modern trappings of class (e.g., clubs, exclusive schools, etc.). And socio-economic mobility in the USA is less than in Europe these days.

Thoughts?
 
2012-01-12 11:00:45 PM

enemy of the state: It's really too bad. I met his old man when he was governor of Michigan a few times when I was a kid, and he was a genuinely nice guy to me. It's not like he was sucking up to me so I'd vote for him, I was like 10-12 years old


So you are saying he was a perv?
 
2012-01-12 11:02:41 PM

UncleStumpy: Vodka Zombie: I'm surprised the conservative mentality of "I got mine, fark you!" plays as well as it does in this country.

Especially when these same people claim to be christian and that goes against what Christ stands for.

/Independent Christian


Except Romney isn't Christian. He's a Mormon.
 
2012-01-12 11:03:42 PM

ansius: A quick question: Just why does the charge of, "My opponent is engaging in Class Warfare" work? Where did this rhetorical tactic come from, and why does it work so well in the USA?

It doesn't play so well in Europe, perhaps because they used to have a fairly rigid and formal aristocratic class system, and they had to engage in class warfare to break down these barriers and allow the democratisation of political power.

Is it because the USA has a belief that it is classless?

Is the USA actually classless? It doesn't have a formal aristocratic structure, but it certainly has 'families', 'dynasties', and the modern trappings of class (e.g., clubs, exclusive schools, etc.). And socio-economic mobility in the USA is less than in Europe these days.

Thoughts?


Many Americans are proud of their ignorance. It is valued trait by a huge segment of the population. For example, Canadians are just as dumb as Americans on average, they just aren't proud of it.
 
2012-01-12 11:04:05 PM
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2012-01-12 11:04:43 PM

Summer Glau's Love Slave: "I can see my houses from here!" ~ M. Romney

/This guy is so oit of touch.
//Obama's gonna humiliate him.


I wish I were confident of that. However, if the economy shows any sign of life, I think you're right. He doesn't excite anyone really, they just want to beat Obama. If that looks hard, he's going to suffer an epic humiliation in the electoral college. If the economy takes a hit from Europe, we're probably going to have a president with an even dumber name than "Barrack".
 
2012-01-12 11:11:03 PM

XveryYpettyZ: I wish I were confident of that. However, if the economy shows any sign of life, I think you're right. He doesn't excite anyone really, they just want to beat Obama. If that looks hard, he's going to suffer an epic humiliation in the electoral college. If the economy takes a hit from Europe, we're probably going to have a president with an even dumber name than "Barrack".


Intrade has it pretty close atm, Obama still has more cash on him, but Mittens is no longshot
 
2012-01-12 11:11:13 PM

enemy of the state: Some very minimal tariffs would have allowed Detroit to get some breathing space and the US would have a viable blue collar middle class instead of the Walmart-ized economy it has now.


There WERE tariffs, which is why the Japanese car makers started assembling their cars here. GM killed itself - it wasn't a lack of government intervention that brought it down.
 
2012-01-12 11:13:06 PM
He's right. The gap itself is meaningless. Neither good nor bad. it just is. Having said that, Mitt reminds me of Duck from Mad Men.
 
2012-01-12 11:15:41 PM
We are sliding steadily towards another French Revolution.

/I can't believe people can be this stupid.....
 
2012-01-12 11:16:14 PM
It's kind of interesting that so many millions of people don't really care about hypocrisy or their own self-welfare. How does this happen?
 
2012-01-12 11:28:18 PM

cuzsis: We are sliding steadily towards another French Revolution.

/I can't believe people can be this stupid.....


True, but on the flip side, we'll have free entertainment when they bust the guillotines out!
 
2012-01-12 11:29:32 PM
If he were to come out and say, "Look, I understand that I was born into very fortunate circumstances, but my parents instilled in me a strong work ethic and blah blah blah...", then I would find that a bit refreshing. But Jesus when he tries to come across like an average joe, worrying about losing his job or paying the bills, he just sounds like the biggest phony on earth.
 
2012-01-12 11:33:16 PM

Lsherm: enemy of the state: Some very minimal tariffs would have allowed Detroit to get some breathing space and the US would have a viable blue collar middle class instead of the Walmart-ized economy it has now.

There WERE tariffs, which is why the Japanese car makers started assembling their cars here. GM killed itself - it wasn't a lack of government intervention that brought it down.


There still are tariffs, but they are not nearly large enough to make a damn bit of difference. We need to equalize world labor markets through tariffs. Once it costs more (due to freight) to get something made by slaves in Thailand or China, the manufacturing will move back.
 
2012-01-12 11:33:36 PM
Mitt is just the creepiest guy ever. His "I'm showing empathy" act is so creepy because it's obvious that he has no empathy for anyone or anything. Wealth (and its pursuit) is about all he gets genuinely excited about, and then he's saying things like "U mad bro" and talking about how being against the busting up of companies for their assets is being against capitalism.

I cannot believe that THIS guy is the frontrunner for the Republican nomination. Even an evil dude like Ronald Reagan had the ability to seem moderately personal in some small way. Mitt is like one of those evil robots you see in a '50s B-movie.
 
2012-01-12 11:34:13 PM
The sad thing is a lot of working poor will support his message. I used to think this kind of talk was funny, but then I found out people ate it up.
Americans don't like to admit they "lost" even when the other person cheated. Therefore, many Americans who lost economically refuse to believe they aren't the winners and instead think they are one great idea from joining the big boys and the race is still continuing. Too bad statistics tend the race ends very early.
I've always wondered why class warfare was actually a dirty word for so many Americans, until I realised many still think they are the Jeffersons and are think they are "movin' on up." Too bad I've yet to see anyone really move up since I was ~21.
As for Romney's attitude sealing the election for Obama, I'd like to believe it, but I feel this election is going to be close and far from a sure win for Obama.
 
2012-01-12 11:35:44 PM

cuzsis: We are sliding steadily towards another French Revolution.

/I can't believe people can be this stupid.....


Never happen. The french peasants didnt have micky-D's and cable.
 
2012-01-12 11:36:07 PM
ROMNEY:" I think it's fine to talk about those things in quiet rooms "

An obvious reference to the Wednesday night Stonecutters meeting.
 
2012-01-12 11:38:28 PM

FlashHarry: GaryPDX: That's not a Conservative mentality. What is more accurate is "I got mine, go get yours."


I agree. That's why there should be a 100% estate tax. Equality of opportunity, everyone does it via their bootstraps.
 
2012-01-12 11:38:50 PM

Zentor: Beluga caviar? Aren't they mammals? Is that the jokes?


beluga caviar (new window)
 
2012-01-12 11:40:51 PM

ansius: A quick question: Just why does the charge of, "My opponent is engaging in Class Warfare" work? Where did this rhetorical tactic come from, and why does it work so well in the USA?

It doesn't play so well in Europe, perhaps because they used to have a fairly rigid and formal aristocratic class system, and they had to engage in class warfare to break down these barriers and allow the democratisation of political power.

Is it because the USA has a belief that it is classless?

Is the USA actually classless? It doesn't have a formal aristocratic structure, but it certainly has 'families', 'dynasties', and the modern trappings of class (e.g., clubs, exclusive schools, etc.). And socio-economic mobility in the USA is less than in Europe these days.

Thoughts?


In his case, it plays because he's trying to divert attention from the "I like firing people!" mistake he made earlier this week. Too bad for him it just makes him look like the out-of-touch zombie that he is.

For America, we're still stuck on the Horatio-Algeresque view of America, where with thrift & hard work even a boot-black can earn his way from the gutter to the penthouse in just a few short pages. America was founded--not unrealistically--on the concept of do for yourself and make your own money; but the fact that things are different now than they were a hundred years ago hasn't sunk in for the wealthy.
 
2012-01-12 11:41:58 PM

cuzsis: We are sliding steadily towards another French Revolution.

/I can't believe people can be this stupid.....


high taxes got you down too?
 
2012-01-12 11:43:16 PM
I don't think Mitt is evil, I just think he's oblivious.

Which, granted, isn't an attractive quality in a President. You like to pretend (at least) that the guy you are voting for reflects your viewpoint. The joke that Mitt is a flip-flopping robot might not be the truth, but it works as a first approximation as to what the candidate will do for the average voter.

/I honestly wonder how far Mitt would have got if he had looked like Dennis Kucinich rather than someone from central casting.
 
2012-01-12 11:43:34 PM

Zentor: Beluga caviar? Aren't they mammals? Is that the jokes?


There's beluga sturgeon (caviar) and then there's beluga whales (no caviar).
 
2012-01-12 11:55:00 PM
Here's an idea: worry more about your own bank account and less about other peoples'.
 
2012-01-12 11:56:22 PM

Launch Code: Just as shocking, the liberal mentality. I didn't earn it, I don't deserve it, I don't care who pays, you owe me!


Yeah moron, Bill Gates and Warren Buffet are such lazy welfare leeches.

It must hurt whatever passes for your brain, trying to come up with all-purpose insults that don't contradict each other. Liberals are "Limousine Liberals". Or they're "lazy welfare recipients". Or they're "Ivy league elitist". Or they're "smelly hippies". Here's an idea: grow the hell up.
 
2012-01-12 11:58:22 PM

whatshisname: I believe in a merit nation, an opportunity nation where people by virtue of their education, their hard work and risk taking and their dreams -- may be a little luck -- could achieve great things

Will he let us know when he finds it?


I thought Caleb or whatever it's called was an entire planet or something, not just a nation.
 
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