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serpent_sky

2012-01-12 07:44:11 PM

Jesus would weep if he saw what people do in his name in this day and age.

AlwaysRightBoy

2012-01-12 07:52:07 PM

That's not very Christian of them.

Lionel Mandrake

2012-01-12 07:54:26 PM

I've said before, I'll say it again: Never trust a group with "Family" in their name (or their members). They are guaranteed homophobes, bigots, misogynists, and want nothing more than an American Theo-Fascist state that's really based on the Bible.

MaxxLarge

2012-01-12 07:54:36 PM

Born-again Evangelicals who insist that every man, woman and child in the U.S. alive adhere to THEIR principles and theirs alone are nothing short of the American Taliban. And they won't stop until they achieve theocratic Christian sharia law.

snuff3r

2012-01-12 08:03:22 PM

School education: teaching tolerance and informing people that there are alternative lifestyles that exist in the world, and that we can exist alongside them.

Christian groups: breeding intolerance and preaching an adherence to their own idea of how people should co-exist on this planet.

Lionel Mandrake: I've said before, I'll say it again: Never trust a group with "Family" in their name (or their members). They are guaranteed homophobes, bigots, misogynists, and want nothing more than an American Theo-Fascist state that's really based on the Bible.

This. Sadly, not US-centric an opinion either. These numbnuts exist across the world.

I_Am_Weasel

2012-01-12 08:19:33 PM

I guess the bed wetters at FFA are tired of Westboro getting all the good press.

davidphogan

2012-01-12 08:33:05 PM

FFA's article about why the CAIR guy is evil. (new window)

Their 990 is on Guidestar, and David Caton makes $55k/yr for doing this stuff. Revenue has been dropping though, and he's got a nice house he wants to keep so he has to find some brand recognition to bring in new donors.

Bevets

2012-01-12 08:52:09 PM

"The students are curious. They had heard so much negativity about Islam," Shibly says. "We tell them Islam condemns terrorism, that there's no room for terrorist in Islam... they asked good questions, hard questions, tough questions. We had a good dialogue and conversation."...

Caton says the school district is walking a fine legal line. He says, "If the school district allows Islam to be taught in the schools they are obligated under the law to all faiths to present equal time on their faiths."

Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

AlinaJoan

2012-01-12 08:52:46 PM

Why do these people hate America and Jesus?

hubiestubert

2012-01-12 08:52:53 PM

I guess the question is: how many of these letter writers had kids in that class and even that district...

Darth_Lukecash

2012-01-12 09:00:44 PM

Bevets: "The students are curious. They had heard so much negativity about Islam," Shibly says. "We tell them Islam condemns terrorism, that there's no room for terrorist in Islam... they asked good questions, hard questions, tough questions. We had a good dialogue and conversation."...

Caton says the school district is walking a fine legal line. He says, "If the school district allows Islam to be taught in the schools they are obligated under the law to all faiths to present equal time on their faiths."

Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

I wouldn't have a problem if all religions came in to answer questions. Philosophy is philosophy. Atheism, Buddhism, Satanism, Rastafarian, Flying Spaghetti Monster all of it. As long as it's a question an answer type thing. No farking preaching.

lysdexic

2012-01-12 09:08:21 PM

Lionel Mandrake

2012-01-12 09:24:46 PM

Bevets: "The students are curious. They had heard so much negativity about Islam," Shibly says. "We tell them Islam condemns terrorism, that there's no room for terrorist in Islam... they asked good questions, hard questions, tough questions. We had a good dialogue and conversation."...

Caton says the school district is walking a fine legal line. He says, "If the school district allows Islam to be taught in the schools they are obligated under the law to all faiths to present equal time on their faiths."

Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

I bet they wouldn't care if a Christian Minister came to the class - I wouldn't. If a local Muslim expresses the bigotry that the FFA guy did, I guarantee he'd get ripped by FARK, too

The article implies that a Christian and Jew were invited. But they aren't gonna get a shiatstorm of letters from angry parents.

But yes, you guys are totally being oppressed

dahmers love zombie

2012-01-12 09:29:14 PM

Oh, and in answer to your question: No problem at all. A Unitarian Universalist would be just fine. That OK with you, Steve?

AbbeySomeone

2012-01-12 09:55:13 PM

serpent_sky: Jesus would weep if he saw what people do in his name in this day and age.

This.
Gawd forbid any child has access to a different perspective.

GAT_00

2012-01-12 09:55:21 PM

AlwaysRightBoy: That's not very Christian of them.

Nonsense, that's very Christian of them.

cameroncrazy1984

2012-01-12 10:02:00 PM

Bevets: "The students are curious. They had heard so much negativity about Islam," Shibly says. "We tell them Islam condemns terrorism, that there's no room for terrorist in Islam... they asked good questions, hard questions, tough questions. We had a good dialogue and conversation."...

Caton says the school district is walking a fine legal line. He says, "If the school district allows Islam to be taught in the schools they are obligated under the law to all faiths to present equal time on their faiths."

Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

Had this happen to me in high school. I had no problem with it. We had a rabbi come in too. Sorry we don't conform to your idiotic strawmen.

Ennuipoet

2012-01-12 10:05:57 PM

Bevets: Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

Actually, and I am speaking as an atheist here, I think it would be a very good idea to have a historical perspective taught about Christianity. I know any number of Jesuits who taught some very clear, concise classes about the origins of the religion. It would, however, elicit the same kind of frothing asshattedness as it would be vastly different than the garbled crap spewing of out the mouth of the average mouth breathing Fundie.

One of the best tools for creating a freethinker is the history of religion.

lysdexic

2012-01-12 10:06:23 PM

GAT_00: AlwaysRightBoy: That's not very Christian of them.

Nonsense, that's very Christian of them.

Terribly, even.

I_Am_Weasel

2012-01-12 10:09:34 PM

I'd have absolutely no problem with my child learning about Islam, Christianity, Buddhism, et al.

It's part of culture, life, why wouldn't you want to learn more?

SleepyMcGee

2012-01-12 10:10:10 PM

Troll: Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

Nice. You'll snag a few people with that. The average farker won't realize you've completely dodged the subject of this group of Christians being unlike their Christ. Instead, you've shifted the blame onto everyone on this site, feeding into your persecution complex.

lysdexic

2012-01-12 10:11:03 PM

Also, 3,500 emails? You're not even trying. That wouldn't fill up a floppy disk. That's like what, five minutes' work?

This Fambly Valu's guy is just attention whoring. He's got a short, limp mailing list that can't even rise up long enough to last more than a little while.

serial_crusher

2012-01-12 10:21:35 PM

Maybe Christian family association should send somebody to address the school and explain their side of the issue? You know, since that's what religious organizations are doing now evidently.

Precious Roy's Horse Dividers

2012-01-12 10:24:58 PM

Teen Wolf Blitzer

2012-01-12 10:40:57 PM

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12349876

2012-01-12 10:41:55 PM

Bevets: Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

I actually WISH there was a lot more comparative religion taught in schools. But there's the problem of asshats that would use it to preach and I'm sure these "family" guys would be on the front line doing it if they could.

Kurmudgeon

2012-01-12 10:41:55 PM

snuff3r: Christian groups: breeding intolerance and preaching an adherence to their own idea of how people should co-exist on this planet.

Hmm, not all that different than a Fark thread, is it.....except the names have been changed.

ChrisDe

2012-01-12 10:42:13 PM

If those Muslims want to practice their faith, they oughta move to a country that offers freedom of religion.

skullkrusher

2012-01-12 10:42:17 PM

The Funk Community frowns on your shenanigans

Nebulious

2012-01-12 10:42:27 PM

Does Submitter have Tourette's? Why write Fark in the middle of the headline?

(Yes, I know it's a meme. One that's been bastardized beyond recognition.)

tjfly

2012-01-12 10:42:34 PM

Whatever your belief, what about separation of church and state? Why was a Muslim leader allowed to talk about his religion at a school?

Arkanaut

2012-01-12 10:42:46 PM

skullkrusher

2012-01-12 10:43:52 PM

tjfly: Whatever your belief, what about separation of church and state? Why was a Muslim leader allowed to talk about his religion at a school?

because the separation of church and state does not mean some subjects of learning are verboten. Just that they cannot be taught as doctrine

Guidette Frankentits

2012-01-12 10:44:21 PM

Lionel Mandrake: I've said before, I'll say it again: Never trust a group with "Family" in their name (or their members). They are guaranteed homophobes, bigots, misogynists, and want nothing more than an American Theo-Fascist state that's really based on the Bible.

And why do they do that?
Isn't every human on this planet part of a family?

It would be like if Atheists called themselves "Air Breathers."

Elzar

2012-01-12 10:46:25 PM

serpent_sky: Jesus would weep if he saw what people do in his name in this day and age.

Except Jesus the historical figure is as real as Santa Claus or Merlin the wizard - so it is unlikely any weeping would occur...

Teen Wolf Blitzer

2012-01-12 10:46:25 PM

tjfly: Whatever your belief, what about separation of church and state? Why was a Muslim leader allowed to talk about his religion at a school?

It's a separation of Church and state, not cave and state.

Lone Stranger

2012-01-12 10:47:01 PM

lysdexic: Also, 3,500 emails? You're not even trying. That wouldn't fill up a floppy disk. That's like what, five minutes' work?

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9beers

2012-01-12 10:47:19 PM

All religions suck, but Islam sucks the most.

whatshisname

2012-01-12 10:48:48 PM

Bevets: Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

They can just ask their biology teacher for that.

mjjt

2012-01-12 10:49:31 PM

Caton says the school district is walking a fine legal line. He says, "If the school district allows Islam to be taught in the schools they are obligated under the law to all faiths to present equal time on their faiths."

help me here - that law specifically is ...?

mjjt

2012-01-12 10:50:53 PM

actually to tell you the truth I was more entertained by the sidebar slideshow of the redneck yacht club.

do you realize that several of the pics actually had water in them?

truthseeker2083

2012-01-12 10:51:58 PM

Bevets: "The students are curious. They had heard so much negativity about Islam," Shibly says. "We tell them Islam condemns terrorism, that there's no room for terrorist in Islam... they asked good questions, hard questions, tough questions. We had a good dialogue and conversation."...

Caton says the school district is walking a fine legal line. He says, "If the school district allows Islam to be taught in the schools they are obligated under the law to all faiths to present equal time on their faiths."

Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

As long as it was nothing more than a 'good dialogue and conversation' as this was... but, knowing xians all my life has taught me one thing: they can't stick to that and instead go into mini-sermons on why anything other than their cult's teachings are wrong and you are doomed to hell. So as long as it's nothing more than open and honest questions about their belief (or any religions beliefs), I have no problem with it.

/Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

Omnivorous

2012-01-12 10:53:03 PM

I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

Why does Bevets hate a man of God? American schools already allow religious groups; pre-school prayer meetings; and in some states prayers before football games.

It is obvious that Bevets is the voice of the devil; the one that I've heard about from the Catholic Church's chief excorsist.

ByOwlLight

2012-01-12 10:53:38 PM

Bevets: Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

So long as religions are discussed equally and represented equally, I certainly don't have a problem with it.

Which is what the article says, by the way.

tjfly: Whatever your belief, what about separation of church and state? Why was a Muslim leader allowed to talk about his religion at a school?

Other religions were discussed and, I'm assuming, spoken about by outside representatives, as well. Separation of church and state is about making sure the state favors no religion over another.

/Why are people so fearful of open dialogues of ideas?

whatshisname

2012-01-12 10:54:31 PM

Omnivorous: Why does Bevets hate a man of God?

And the same God that he believes in at that. Hmmmm.

Jairzinho

2012-01-12 10:56:29 PM

Bevets: Sounds like a fine education to me. I am sure farkers would have NO PROBLEM with a Christian coming in for a 'good dialogue and conversation' about Christianity.

No problem for me. If they are just explaining a religion from a historical and philosophical view, I'd like my kid to learn and be able to tell the basic and main differences between the main beliefs systems in the world. So what?

12349876

2012-01-12 10:56:38 PM

mjjt: Caton says the school district is walking a fine legal line. He says, "If the school district allows Islam to be taught in the schools they are obligated under the law to all faiths to present equal time on their faiths."

help me here - that law specifically is ...?

How many lifetimes would that take? Here's just the Baptist sects listed on wikipedia.

African United Baptist Association of Nova Scotia
Alliance of Baptists
American Baptist Association
American Baptist Churches USA
Association of Baptist Churches in Ireland
Association of Grace Baptist Churches
Association of Reformed Baptist Churches of America
Association of Regular Baptist Churches
Baptist Bible Fellowship International
Baptist Conference of the Philippines
Baptist Convention of Ontario and Quebec
Baptist Convention of Western Cuba
Baptist General Conference (Sweden)
Baptist General Conference of Canada
Baptist General Convention of Texas
Baptist Missionary Association of America
Baptist Union of Australia
Baptist Union of Great Britain
Baptist Union of New Zealand
Baptist Union of Scotland
Baptist Union of Western Canada
Baptist World Alliance
Bible Baptist
Black Primitive Baptists
Canadian Baptist Ministries
Canadian Convention of Southern Baptists
Central Baptist Association
Central Canada Baptist Conference
Christian Unity Baptist Association
Conservative Baptist Association
Conservative Baptist Association of America
Continental Baptist Churches
Convención Nacional Bautista de Mexico
Convention of Atlantic Baptist Churches
Convention of Baptist Churches of Northern Circars
Council of Baptist Churches in Northeast India
Council of Baptist Churches in Northern India
Cooperative Baptist Fellowship
European Baptist Convention
European Baptist Federation
Evangelical Baptist Mission of South Haiti
Evangelical Free Baptist Church
Evangelical Baptist Church of Kent
Fellowship of Evangelical Baptist Churches in Canada
Free Will Baptist Church
Fundamental Baptist Fellowship of America
General Association of Baptists
General Association of General Baptists
General Association of Regular Baptist Churches
General Conference of the Evangelical Baptist Church, Inc.
General Six-Principle Baptists
Grace Baptist Assembly
Independent Baptist
Independent Baptist Church of America
Independent Baptist Fellowship International
Independent Baptist Fellowship of North America
Interstate & Foreign Landmark Missionary Baptist Association
Landmark Baptist Church
Liberty Baptist Fellowship
Manipur Baptist Convention
Myanmar Baptist Convention
Nagaland Baptist Church Council
National Association of Free Will Baptists
National Baptist Convention of America, Inc.
National Baptist Convention, USA, Inc.
National Baptist Evangelical Life and Soul Saving Assembly of the U.S.A.
National Missionary Baptist Convention of America
National Primitive Baptist Convention of the U.S.A.
New England Evangelical Baptist Fellowship
Nigerian Baptist Convention
North American Baptist Conference
North Bank Baptist Christian Association
Norwegian Baptist Union
Old Baptist Union
Old Regular Baptist
Old Time Missionary Baptist
Primitive Baptist
Progressive Baptist
Progressive National Baptist Convention
Reformed Baptist
Regular Baptist Churches, General Association of
Regular Baptist
Samavesam of Telugu Baptist Churches
Separate Baptist
Separate Baptists in Christ
Seventh Day Baptist
Southeast Conservative Baptist
Southern Baptist Convention
Southern Baptists of Texas
Sovereign Grace Baptists
Strict Baptists
Two-Seed-in-the-Spirit Predestinarian Baptists
Union d'Églises baptistes françaises au Canada
United American Free Will Baptist Church
United American Free Will Baptist Conference
United Baptist
United Baptist Convention of the Atlantic Provinces
United Free Will Baptist
World Baptist Fellowship

Non-evil Monkey

2012-01-12 10:57:10 PM

skullkrusher: tjfly: Whatever your belief, what about separation of church and state? Why was a Muslim leader allowed to talk about his religion at a school?

because the separation of church and state does not mean some subjects of learning are verboten. Just that they cannot be taught as doctrine

Exactly.

Pretty much any religion can be taught in public school as long as it's from a historical or cultural perspective rather then a spiritual one. In fact I'd go as far as to say that any school curriculum that doesn't include studying various religions from historical or cultural perspectives is a very, very bad curriculum.

In this case a Muslim leader was invited to speak in order to simply dispense first-hand information about Islam. This is acceptable as he isn't preaching to the class.

At any rate, the group complaining at is the exact same group that got Lowes to cancel their advertising on All American Muslim. I wonder how long it will take them to realize that for every "victory" they achieve, it just causes a far larger backlash that makes their side look silly?

randomjsa

2012-01-12 10:58:11 PM

And if Muslim's were a major Republican voting block, liberals would be right there with the Christian Family Association, except the diatribes would be a hundred fold more hate filled.

World wide it is without question that Christianity is repugnant.

World wide it is without question that Islam is undeniably worse and we can only dream of the day when we can say they aren't any worse than the Christians.

davidphogan

2012-01-12 10:58:26 PM

lysdexic: Also, 3,500 emails? You're not even trying. That wouldn't fill up a floppy disk. That's like what, five minutes' work?

This Fambly Valu's guy is just attention whoring. He's got a short, limp mailing list that can't even rise up long enough to last more than a little while.

He got $175k or so in donations in 2010. Paid himself $55k of it.

Of course he's an AW. It's what pays him.

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